1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 OLD FORGE BOROUGH COUNCIL OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA IN RE: COUNCIL WORK SESSION SEPTEMBER 3, 2024 7:00 P.M. OLD FORGE MUNICIPAL BUILDING 314 SOUTH MAIN STREET OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA COUNCIL MEMBERS: RUSSELL RINALDI JAMES HOOVER ANDREW BUTLER MICHAEL KOMENSKY 22 JENNA JONES-SHOTWELL MICHAEL LETTIERI ROBERT LEGG, MAYOR 23 24 25 MARYLYNN BARTOLETTI, BOROUGH MANAGER Mark Wozniak Official Court Reporter 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I'd like to call the meeting to order with the Pledge of Alleglance. (The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.) MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Roll call, please, Marylynn. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Lettieri? MR. LETTIERI: Present. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman Shotwel1? MS. SHOTWELL: Here. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Komensky? MR. KOMENSKY: Here. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler? MR. BUTLER: Here. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman Avvisato is absent. Councilman Hoover? MR. HOOVER: Present. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Here. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the 3 1 2 3 4 5 work session of 01d Forge Borough. Tonight is September 3, 2024. The purpose of our meeting will be to set the agenda for the regular meeting which will be Tuesday, September 17, 2024. We'11 go down the table, hear from our mayor and our council members, we'11 hear from our department heads, our borough manager and our 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 solicitor. There's a public sign-in sheet. If anybody from the pubic would like to sign in we'17 give you a few minutes at the end of the meeting. First department head, Joseph Lenceski, DPW. Good evening. Anything for the agenda coming up? MR. LENCESKI: Nothing for the agenda. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone have any questions for Joe? Thank you, Joe. Mike SOkolowsk1, zoning officer, anything for the meeting tonight or the agenda? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: I have nothing. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone have 4 1 2 3 4 5 any questions for Mike? MR. LETTIERI: Harris and Drake, last meeting they were talking about that alleyway. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: We down to the church. There's nobody around. I went 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 there a couple times. MR. LETTIERI: Is it an alleyway? MR. HOOVER: Paper street. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It's just paper. I did go down, I went to the church, looked around. There's trees back there. I don't know. MR. LETTIERI: Is that something that we could resolve for her? Is it something that :- MR. BUTLER: That was always an alleyway when I was a kid. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It's all grown in. They don't use it. MR. BUTLER: They used to have garages in the back there. That's what they used it for. There's Clause. Going towards Main Street. They had a garage in their back yard. 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. SOKOLOWSKI: They don't use it like they used to. I don't know. MR. BUTLER: That used to come right out where the eye place is. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Domiano's. MR. BUTLER: A17 the way from Milwaukee Avenue. MR. LETTIERI: So who would be responsible for that? Borough? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: I don't think so. MR. HOOVER: Bill looked it up. The guy on the corner, Gary Smith. His garage faces that alleyway. He asked me if I could fill in - the borough could fill in some of the potholes. I said I didn't think we owned it. Bill looked it up, the right-of-way. It showed the alleyway there and shows the right-of-way there. I told him we can't fill the holes because it's a private drive that the people own. The borough didn't own it. You go around that, that's where the church is. If we want to cut the brush behind that it's going to be a pain in the butt. But cut the brush just to-- and nobody uses it. 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. - BUTLER: The house next to Belardi's house. The garage and the access is off that road. MR. LETTIERI: Her complaint was she had no access. Correct? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Not that they've been using it, but if she wanted to. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: But they could go and cut it. They each own it, sO they have the right. Right? They all have an easement? ATTY. RINALDI: Depends on where you're asking. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: In that paper alley off of Drake. ATTY. RINALDI: It should be in the deeds. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We told her if she wanted to trim it she could. I wish we just owned it sO we could go down and trim it. You're saying we can't. ATTY. RINALDI: It's not the borough's property. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Are you looking for a way to get it trimmed? 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LETTIERI: I'm just looking to help her out if we can. I - just want to know if we were responsible. If we're not, that's all. MS. SHOTWELL: I think she said all the neighbors kind of chip in and take care of what's behind their own property. The church is not. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: The one by the church is where it's coming out to the alley. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: I - drive by and try to catch somebody around. MS. SHOTWELL: Is it currently still in operation? MR. BUTLER: I think it is. MR. HOOVER: 213 First Street. They cut their bushes. They put everything in plastic bags and the borough won't take it. They put all their grass and trees that they cut, bushes that they cut in plastic bags and the borough won't take them. They're sitting there, like, three weeks. It's a breeding ground. Everybody's throwing their garbage there now. Send them a letter 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 saying they have to do something. Also, in their yard they have a tarp and a pile of stuff under the tarp. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Same side? MR. HOOVER: Same side. I got a call from someone on Susquehanna about Caputo's. A11 those cars are registered. There's, like, 21 cars between the road and that little : MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yes. MR. HOOVER: Being they're registered can't do anything with them. CHIEF DUBERNAS: He registered them all with antique plates. We sent him a letter saying you have to get them out of there, they're abandoned. He went and registered every one of them with either antique or classic. He put up a fence, put a - lot of them inside. He still has six or seven out on the street. They're all registered. He has three other places. They say he has close to a hundred of them. Hickory Street's full, the place in Duryea is full, and Dallas. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So the ones on 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the street, they're legal? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yeah. They put classic or antique plates on them. MR. HOOVER: We can't do anything? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: The guy from 01d Forge Gulf, did you talk to him : across from 01d Forge Gulf. Didn't he move those cars? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: He did. I talked to him. CHIEF DUBERNAS: He's talking about Nomadic Towing. MR. BUTLER: Dave's Body Shop. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'm talking about on the corner. We asked him to move them back. Bill said he was blocking the line of sight. What is going on back there? MR. HOOVER: You don't do something with the other ones you can't do anything to him, and that's what he's complaining about. We don't do nothing with Lonesome Road, Keyser Avenue. CHIEF DUBERNAS: He buys junk cars. MR. LETTIERI: Isn't his lot supposed to be for sales? His commercial 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 license, isn't it for sales, not for junk? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: He has a salvage license. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: But the property cannot be zoned for : MR. SOKOLOWSKI: The way it's zoned is just like Schuback's is zoned. That's the same. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: He's zoned the same as Schuback is zoned? Bill, is that correct? On Oak Street and Keyser Avenue, old Dave's Body Shop, that's zoned the same as Schuback's junkyard? ATTY. RINALDI: That I don't know. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It's on the map. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: When we moved : Dave, would you look real quick just to verify that? I'm curious about that. MS. BARTOLETTI: While we're talking about that, the new zoning ordinances and everything that we worked on for all these months and months, can we please try to finalize that? We've been waiting on planning, I believe, to get that but we 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 haven't finalized our comprehensive plan. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Are we waiting for them to add stuff or recommend stuff? MS. BARTOLETTI: We're waiting for them to recommend but we are waiting 11 months. It's getting stale. A lot of the things that keep coming up, these zoning changes, are all part of that. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: When is their next meeting? MS. BARTOLETTI: Three weeks. MR. KOMENSKY: Can we send them a letter? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It's zoned C-2. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Same as Schuback? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yes. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Mike, could you let -- planning's not meeting for another three weeks. So end of the month. Could you let them know we want to have -- MS. BARTOLETTI: Talk about the whole thing, the zoning changes and everything that we've been waiting for, the recommendation from planning, no one's 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 gotten back to us. So it's 11 months now. It's really getting stale and I feel like it's falling apart. I - don't want it to go another month. MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Last time they had a meeting zoning and planning had their special meeting. That was wintertime. MS. BARTOLETTI: It's September again. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'17 give Vince, Jr. a call tomorrow and see if they still need to meet, if they're going to want to change anything, add anything or recommend anything sO we can get moving on it. MS. - BARTOLETTI: We put a lot of time and effort into that and it's dead. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'11 make a phone call to Vince, Jr. tomorrow. If you want to let them know just sO we give them a letter sO they can respond back to us or get it done next week. Okay, any other questions for Mike? Mike, anything for us? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No. 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Thank you. Dave Lopatka, engineer, anything for the meeting tonight or for the agenda coming up? MR. LOPATKA: Nothing for the agenda. I know that I did talk with -- I sent Marylynn the final contract documents from American, sO they will be scheduled soon to do the paving stuff. Supposed to get back to me this week, sO hopefully next week. MR. HOOVER: Make sure they notify the streets the day before. CHIEF DUBERNAS: They usually post it a week ahead of time. MR. LOPATKA: I'17 check with them. I think Pennsy did last year's paving project. This is American. I'11 make sure they know that they need to post. CHIEF DUBERNAS: Week in advance, they gave them. MR. LOPATKA: Other than that, I don't have anything. We did have a meeting with the architect last week, kind of went over a few things. He supposed to be updating the plan based off of a couple 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 things that we talked about, carpet or something for the senior center. MS. BARTOLETTI: Just a couple last minute changes before it goes out to bid. MR. LOPATKA: We got the go ahead from the county to get them the bid documents to get it out to bid, sO me, Marylynn and the architect sat down last week and went over all the plans and made some changes to the plan. Just more cosmetic stuff. She supposed to be getting me those plans in addition to the project manual and bid spec hopefully this week. Then I'17 get it to the county and the county will get it out to bid. It is CDBG money, sO they all run through the county. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else for Dave? MR. HOOVER: Dave, the baseball field. MR. LOPATKA: Well, I got a plan from the mechanical/electricity/Plumbing for the electric and he didn't give me enough detail on the water. I sent him a note back that he needs to update that and show the 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 water lines in that easement area that's there. So I'm waiting for his plan back, then we can get that : MR. HOOVER: The grass. Don't we have to redo some grass there? MR. LOPATKA: The whole infield is getting redone with sprinklers. As soon I get the plan. MR. HOOVER: We're running out of time. MS. BARTOLETTI: So is it still going to be able to get bid, to get approved, get done for March? MR. LOPATKA: I would say for when? MS. BARTOLETTI: March. Baseball season, they'11 start playing there. MR. LOPATKA: By the time you get it out to bid, get the bids back you're probably in mid-October. Your growing season is going to end mid-October. I don't know if it's going to get done. I don't know if you want to get it done this year or : MR. LETTIERI: What field? 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LOPATKA: Pagnotti, the baseball field. MR. HOOVER: We have to get the water there first. MR. LOPATKA: Water and electric. MS. BARTOLETTI: Do you think it's possible to do that part now and then do it after the season sO that something gets done? It seems like this is going on for a lot of years. MR. LOPATKA: Yeah, if I was to do it I would just bring the power and water to that building. I wouldn't put the sprinklers in until we redo the infield. If you're going to dig it up you don't want to have to work around sprinklers. We can probably bid the electric running it up from the lower building and then bringing the new service over. Just bring it to the building. At least it's there then. Then we can do the field, run the new irrigation system. MS. BARTOLETTI: How about questions with the backstop? Remember when we were down there we were going over redesigning 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the backstop and fixing the top part? Could that be done in advance as well? That can probably get done now. MR. LOPATKA: Yeah, that definitely can be done. MR. HOOVER: Somebody asked me about the pipe on Moosic Road for Emlaw's. Would that be feasible or not? MR. LOPATKA: I honestly don't think it would be because of where it ends up and how deep it would have to be. MR. HOOVER: It's overgrown now. MR. LOPATKA: It is overgrown. MR. HOOVER: So you dig a trench in there, put the pipe in. If it overgrows again you don't care because the pipe is there. He's trying to sell this place for the amount of money he's trying to sell it for, he's going to clean this out, make that trench correct to bring water down there, and then by the time he sells it it can be overgrown again and have the same problem again. MR. LOPATKA: You could. MR. HOOVER: How wide is that 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 culvert? MR. LOPATKA: It's not a big pipe in there now. I think it's 12 or 15. But I think also that you get one of those heavy rainstorms you kind of get a little backup in the inlet because it can't handle the flow. You could put a pipe, bring it down and come in the back just to get beyond the property. It kind of goes back there anyway. MR. HOOVER: He has to fix it. We know that. I want to make sure that if I'm sitting here in three years that these people aren't coming back to me in three years saying my house is flooded again. Then we have to go to this owner again and say you're responsible to maintain this trench every year. I don't know. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Are you asking if we're responsible? MR. HOOVER: No. MR. LOPATKA: Ultimately it's going to be up to them. I mean, it's their trench. They're replacing the trench that was there. It wasn't a pipe before. So we 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ask the question, but I don't know if they'11 come back and say yeah. MR. HOOVER: I was just hoping the trench was wide enough where we can just drop a 12 inch pipe in there, corrugated pipe. MR. LOPATKA: I think he has a two and a half foot bottom on what he's designing. Probably two feet deep. You'd be close. Little extra work to cover the pipe sO the material doesn't wash off the top of the pipe and have the pipe sitting there. I'd have to look at the elevations on his plan to see if potentially it would work. Plus, there wasn't enough information, and that was one thing I asked Emmett for, was more information for the swales and outlet. It kind of just ended in that back triangular piece. I don't know if it previously went beyond that or toward the back of the property or just ended there. MR. HOOVER: I think if this was done the proper way : say he didn't grade it properly and the water came. There still would have been a problem because of all the 20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 trees and bamboo or whatever. MR. LOPATKA: The swale was there. Was that trench maintained before? MR. HOOVER: He has to clean out what's there to get the water from point A to point B. MR. BUTLER: It's just covered with bamboo. Get that bamboo out, run a pipe from the front all the way to the back and put it right into that drain pit where Mariotti has his water going. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Karen, you said that over the years Mr. Coccia and his employees and your husband would keep it clean. So your point is put a pipe there, we have to rely on the new property owner now. Obviously when Mr. Coccia was there you guys were all good neighbors, and we've seen what happened in the past year and a half. MR. HOOVER: We can't tell him to put a pipe there. He's just going to clean out what's there. MR. LOPATKA: He has to shape the ditch based off what his engineer provides. 21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. HOOVER: And he's going to sell the property, and it's got to be in the deed, then, next person that buys that property has to maintain. MR. LOPATKA: I don't know what his maybe Bill can read the deed. I deed don't know exactly what it says. MR. HOOVER: He owns it now. MR. LOPATKA: There's probably not a stipulation in there stating that he has to maintain the ditch. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: He still has to maintain his property, sO if the owner now fixes it, cleans out the right way and sells it -- I know what you're saying. MR. HOOVER: If he doesn't sell it is he going to come back and maintain it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Or the new owner maintain it, and we're going to be here another year, like you said, saying you have to go and clean it out because they're getting flooded again. We can't make him put a pipe in. We can ask him, can't make him. MR. LOPATKA: I can talk to Emmett. 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: The other thing I have, Bill, if a new owner comes in and buys it and redoes the parking lot : like, we went after Emlaw for a storm water management plan. Wouldn't they have to put in the right type of drainage as far as if they were going to tie into the sewer and the storm water? ATTY. RINALDI: The order says he's got to immediately fix the problem and he's got 30 days to submit a land development plan, and he has to complete the work because he never did it. So he's going to be able to just say well, I fixed the problem, I'm going to sell it. No. He's got to submit a land development plan. That's what he has to do. MS. SHOTWELL: So a permanent solution. ATTY. RINALDI: It's an after-the-fact land development plan, sO whatever's there should be fixed. MR. KOMENSKY: When is his 30 days up? ATTY. RINALDI: September 21st. 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LOPATKA: I C did meet with George Dunbar's attorney and engineers last week. His attorney sent a letter addressing my comments on it this week. So I called, like I - was told to do, set a meeting up and went and met with him and went over each of the items. They did create a swale from the end of the road down to the sediment basin. The sediment basin itself, they hadn't gotten it yet but it was ordered from Central Clay. The skimmers had to go on the outfall structure. They he did have a bunch of, like, rock filter that's going in that swale. You can see where the water's kind of going through there and was filtering out and going to the sedimentation basin. A11 of the slopes were seeded and mulched. They put erosion control matting out, which is what's supposed to be there. I think they basically addressed most of our concerns with regards to where the storm water was ending up because now they have it directed in the right place. It's all going to the basin. They're picking it up and bringing it down there. 24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The sanitary line, as we know, had to go down the road. One section that was supposed to go across -- I mean, they haven't built anything over there yet, so I can understand why they routed it that way. It told them, you know, at the end of the day if you're not putting it in it needs to be noted on the final plan showing as-built conditions sO everybody knows where everything ends up. So I believe most of that stuff was addressed. Some of my comments weren't even comments, they were just statements. So I didn't really need to address those. They kind of did. They had two inlets supposed to be on the other side of the driveways. They moved them down. To me it was no big deal. It needs to be shown on the plans. Other than that, I think the majority of their items have been addressed at this point and they weren't really building anything additional at this point. Those two or whatever, six units on either side are basically what they're building. They said what he's going to do next is 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 build an apartment building that's on the next road down. So I said well, prior to doing that make sure you're building it in the location that's shown on the plan. I mean, they have them shown on the plan. They have apartment buildings shown down there. Just let us know which one it is sO we know where you're at. Other than that, that's kind of how that ended. I will put a final letter together on my side, get it to you guys. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any other questions for Dave? Anything else, Dave? MR. LOPATKA: No. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Thank you. Police Chief, Jason Dubernas. Chief, anything for the meeting tonight or the agenda? CHIEF DUBERNAS: I have nothing. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have any questions for the chief? Thanks, Chief. Assistant fire chief, Bill Stull, good evening. Anything for the meeting tonight or for the agenda? MR. STULL: No, nothing. 26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any questions for Bill? Thanks, Bill. Attorney Rinaldi, anything for the meeting tonight or for the agenda? ATTY. RINALDI: I sent the right-of-way deed of easement to Mr. Ciuccio and see if we have that back for the meeting accepted. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have any questions for the solicitor? Thanks, Bill. Borough manager, Marylynn, anything for the meeting tonight or the agenda? MS. BARTOLETTI: For the agenda I will have the minimum municipal obligations for the police pension and the non-uniform admin retirement fund. Also, I'm hoping to have resolutions for two grants that are opened up at this time. They're both LSA grants. They both need resolutions in order to apply for them. That is all I have. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone have any questions for Marylynn? MR. HOOVER: Do we have a list of how we're going to take care of this money 27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that we have? MS. BARTOLETTI: I have written right here that when we finish this meeting to ask for a recreation committee meeting and a sewer committee meeting. We just got the updates. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any other questions for Marylynn? Anything else? MS. BARTOLETTI: No. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Chief, anyone on the public sign-in? CHIEF DUBERNAS: No, sir. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone from the public want to address us before we go down the table? Mayor Legg, anything for the meeting? MAYOR LEGG: I just want to remind everyone 6:00 Saturday at Felittese. As part of whatever I have to say I'm going to acknowiedge those of you on council who are there. That's all I have. Thank you. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Councilwoman vones-Shotwell, anything? MS. SHOTWELL: The only I want to ask about was we're, like, we gave him our 28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 list. Is he coming to meet with us or hit the ground running? MS. BARTOLETTI: They're hired. They started working on stuff. They sent me an e-mail and I'm getting back to them with our list of all our wants and needs. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: He did say that the message was he said he was meeting with the EPA in Washington for flood grants. He said he was going - the first he was looking at was for Drake Street. Also, he said he was looking at the one for Lonesome Road, too, in front of Family Dollar, or wherever he can get the money. But that was the one he was looking at right now. MS. SHOTWELL: Just wanted to know where we were with the process. MR. KOMENSKY: I don't have anything. MR. LETTIERI: Mayor, where are we meeting Saturday? Is there a Tocation? MAYOR LEGG: Band shell. MR. BUTLER: I have nothing. MR. HOOVER: I have some sewer numbers here just for your information. 29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 There's 3,300 homes in the city of 01d Forge. At $40 apiece it's $132,000 per year that we use for the sewer agency that we have if everyone pays on time. It's currently $150,000 of that money past due. We did one job in December and January December of 2023. We did Hickory Street because the sewer was collapsing in front of a C couple houses. So we had to do the whole block. Dave engineered the job. It cost $296,000. On the maintenance end of it from 2019 to 2024 we paid Earthworks, a local contractor that works for the borough, $165,400 to do maintenance sewer work. A17 American Rooter, the guy that we use with the vacuum, from 2020 to 2024 we paid $286,280 in maintenance fees for the sewers in the city. I just wanted to let people know how good we're doing with that $132,000 we're collecting every year because it's not working. And people want to wonder why we don't do a lot of sewer work. We just do maintenance on the sewer work. Very rarely 30 do we have enough money to do a block at a time and we're thinking about doing Drakes Lane? It has to be done. Has to be done. It's going to be over a $2 million project. It's crazy see. Absolutely crazy. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 But I just wanted to let people know about these numbers. That's all. MS. BARTOLETTI: The other thing about Drake's Lane, that's a storm water problem. MR. LOPATKA: You need separation. MR. HOOVER: And we don't take care of sewers in people's houses, much as people think we do. When it backs up, I'm sorry it backs up, the pipe doesn't fit. When it backs up in people's homes it may be another problem. MR. KOMENSKY: I don't know if you can do it for $2 million. MR. HOOVER: It's going to be interesting. There's a lot of money out there to spend, everybody keeps telling me. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I don't have anything this evening. At this time the chair would entertain a motion to adjourn. 31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. SHOTWELL: So moved. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: By Councilwoman Jones-Shotwell. A1l in favor? (Unanimous. Meeting adjourned.) 32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that I attended the foregoing proceeding, took stenographic notes of the same, that the foregoing, consisting of 32 pages, is a true and correct copy, done to the best of my ability, of same 8 and the whole thereof. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Mark Official Court Reporter 1 $ $132,000-29:2, 29:21 $150,00010-29:5 $165,4000-29:15 $286,2800)-29:18 admin/-26:17 $296,0001-29:11 $4011)-29:2 1 1112)-11:5, 12:1 12i2-18:3,19:5 15(1-18:3 1711-3:5 2 212)- 30:4, 30:19 20191-29:13 202011-29:17 202311-29:7 29:13,29:17 2111-8:8 213/1)-7:17 21st-22:25 3 3121-1:9,3:2 3,30011-29:1 314/1-1:12 32/1-32:6 6 6:0011-27:18 7 7:0011-1:10 A abandonedt)-8:16 22:20, 22:25,26:5 abilitymy-32:7 ablet 12)-1 15:12, 22:14 10:11 absent/1l- 2:21 absolutelyno- 30:5 accepted! 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