OFC C  City of Cambridge DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS PLANNING & ZONING 1025 Washington St. Cambridge, Maryland21613 Telephone: 410-228- 1955 Fax: 410-228-3814 Board of Appeals  MARYLAND 684  The City of Cambridge Board of Appeals will conduct an in-person meeting on Thursday, November 215, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. at Council Chambers, 305 Gay Street. Due to the Thanksgiving holiday, this meeting will be held on Thursday, November 21'as  opposed to Tuesday November 26th. TownHalstreams.com  The meeting will be streamed live on https//townhallstreams.com  on Thursday, November 215t from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM, (UTC-04:00) EST (US & Canada).  NEW BUSINESS  1.B BOA2025-2: 811 Locust Street Special Exception Request 3. BOA2025-4:906 Locust Street Appeal of HPCI Decision  3-80A2925-3-20-ManyandAvenveAppestofomineDetermination Wihdrawn      City of Cambridge DEPARTMENT OF PUBLICWORKS PLANNING &Z ZONING 1025 WASHINGTONSIRET CAMBRIDGE, MARYLAND21613 410-228-1955  MARYLAND 684  Board of Appeals Staff Report November 215,2024  BACKGROUND INFORMATION: Applicant/Owner: Thomas Bradley  BOA Case No.:  BOA2 2025-2  Nature of Request: Special Exception with Conditions for Use as a Commercial Retail  Space in the NC-3 District: 5513 square feet Neighborhood Conservation-3 1918 None  Location of Property: 811 Locust Street, Cambridge MD21613  Total Acreage: Zoning: Year Built: Open violations: H. BACKGROUND:  This is a Special Exception request for the use of 811 Locust Street as Commercial Retail Space with a focus on antiques and collectable items. This application was reviewed and forwarded with a recommendation of approval by the Planning Commission on June 3rd,2024. The vote for recommendation of approval was unanimous.  HI. DISCUSSION:  This property is currently mixed-use with office space on the first floor and residential apartments on the second floor. Historically, this location was home to a "corner store" in the first-floor space that is currently occupied by an "office". The "corner store" previously served the West End district. The applicant will not be making any land or structural alterations for this use and will be completing minor upgrades to the interior The Board of Appeals shall grant a special exception unless it finds, from a preponderance of evidence of record, that the proposed use submitted for a special  of the property.    exception would have adverse impacts at its proposed particular location which would be above and beyond those inherently associated with the proposed use irrespective of its location with the zoning district. In making its decision, the Board shall make findings  with respect to each of the following standards:  D.  Standards following standards:  Ini making its decision, the Board shall make findings with respect to each of the 1. The establishment, maintenance and operation of the special exception at its proposed location will not be detrimental to or endanger the public health, 2. The special exception ati its proposed location shall be such that it will be harmonious in character as well as appropriate in appearance with and will not be injurious to the use and enjoyment of other property in the neighborhood for the purposes already permitted, nor substantially diminish and impair property values within the neighborhood. 3. The establishment of the special exception at its proposed location will not impede the normal and orderly development and improvement of 4. Adequate utilities, public water and sewer facilities, access streets, drainage and all necessary facilities have been or are being provided. 5. The special exception shall be such that pedestrian, bicycle, and vehicle traffic associated with such use at its proposed location will not be hazardous too or unduly conflict with the existing and anticipated traffic in the neighborhood. 6. The special exception shalli in all other respects conform to the applicable regulations of the district in which it is located and to the special requirements that may be established for the specific use. 7. The proposed use at its proposed location conforms to the Comprehensive Section 4.2.3 B (1) outlines the Conditions that must be met for a Special Exception to be Granted for a Commercial Use in the Neighborhood Conservation Districts. Since  safety, or general welfare.  surrounding properties.  Plan.  the property is located int the NC-3 district, these include:  B.  Commercial Uses 1.  Uses Classified as an NC District Corner Store / Commercial Use Subject to thei following conditions and provided the use is located at the intersection of two public streets within an NC district, it may be proposed as a Corner Store/Commercial Use and shall be a Special    Exception with Conditions (SC) in the NC-1,NC-2, NC-3, and NC-4 a. The property owner, lessee, or property manager may reside on the premises, or the property owner shall contract with a qualified resident of Dorchester County to act as a property manager of the The property shall be maintained in a well manner to the satisfaction b. Itmust be substantiated to the satisfaction of the Board of Appeals that the premises were previously and legally in commercial use. The use is located on a street with width sufficient to allow on-street parking accommodate for the proposed use and provided on-street parking is permitted in the vicinity of the proposed use. d. Any new corner store/commercial building shall be designed to appear as a residential building and the use of the building shall be limited in the following ways: commercial use shall be limited to the ground floor only and shall not exceed 1,000 square feet in gross floor area, and there shall be no more than two residential dwelling units e. The use: shall be primarily oriented to serve the residents in the f. Asa a portion of the clientele will be pedestrians or cyclists, the parking requirements are minimal but must contain at least two spaces plus one: space per employee which requirement shall be considered met ift there is sufficient on-street and/or off-street parking. No equipment, process, or occupation shall be used which creates mechanical or amplified noise, or vibration, glare, fumes, odors, or electrical interference detectable beyond the property line of the h. The applicant submits a sign program for the premises for review and approval which sign program shall address the unique residential character of the neighborhood and may be more restrictive than the  districts:  establishment. of the Zoning Official.  on the upper levels.  immediately surrounding neighborhood.  premises.    regulations on signs applicable generally to properties in commercial  use.  The applicant has outlined how they have met these conditions in their  application with this packet.  IV. STAFF RECOMMENDATION:  Staff recommends approval of the Special Exception.    Due y10h may    City of Cambridge PAPAmATOTPaucwONs PLANNING &ZONING 10ESWASHPNOTONSTEN CMsamocMauNB.I4D TAEPHOE4I0278-9 B-Mail: Hsg-osamw4pcw FAX:410-228-1474  Application to the Planning and Zoning Commission  P&Z review for Special Exceptjon  PZCase #  BOA Case #D0A2025-2  Provide a digital copy with JoHrS submission. Provides seventeen papersets oftheplans. folded  PROPERTY (LAND) OWNER: Thomas Brode! 5b09 Baybeny_lhy tebfadeyle yhhoo.com  Name Street Address E-Mail Address  Cobilge City Phone Number  MP State  21613 Zip Code  4l0-Gol-7187  APPLICANT INFORMATION: (IF DIFFERENT THAN PROPERTY OWNER)  Name Street Address E-Mail Address  City Phone Number  State  Zip Code  PROPERTY INFORMATION: 81 Locus 6. ADDRESS ANDLOCATION: 6300 0590 Map/Parce! Number  2103  CombriagMD  Chmnerde Curjent Zoning  Owner/Applicant Signature E13    Special Exception: There is a $200 fee associated with fling an application) fora as Special  Exception.  1. The establishment, maintenance and operation of the special exception at its proposed location will not be detrimental to or endanger the public health, safety, or general The ptopased fekail spcce w have Datlanles cnd ekloopn AS for Saand wi afocT oK Cientrlle that pre Callecofs of Sac ms. And #R sill Ant high ouel a Hafsc.  welfare.  2  gencale  2. The special exception at its proposed location shall be such that it will be harmonious inc character as well as appropriate in appearançe with and will not bei injurious to the use and enjoyment of other proporty in the neighborhood for the purposes already permitted, nor substantially diminish and impair property values within the Retail locotton is pn Aisofic Stfuctwe 4hat has been in the neyglachood Sinc_/918,  neighbgrhood,  3. The establishment of the special exception ati its proposed lodation will not impede the normal and orderly development and improyement ofs surrounding properties. The eta, SPALR, D,C enhance the qledy  negapchcad by aHfcchhg desivablé Dadbeis nasl Rwefchest to  Ps T2bloing Catcas.  4, Adequate utilities, public water and sewer facilities, access streets, drainage and all A mooned aboge 15 adegyate,  necessary facilities have been or are being provided.  doenso  Abpblc  added uy demands.  5. The special exception shall be such that pedestrian, bicyclé, and vehicle traffic associated with such use at its proposed location will not be hazardous to or unduly conflict with the existing and anticipated traffic in the neighborhood. There a/e Cufrently & porking SpcRs at he fecl sk Pfapeyt baly ta Tequited    6. The special exception shall in all other respects conform to the applicable regulations of the district in which it is located and to the special requirements that may be The propased Spoce lol alide by gll Cpplicohle Megulahchr At the disthCT  established for the specific use.  7. The proposed use at its proposed location conforms to the Comprehensivp Plan.  feta.ning Sw astehc Copmelcit Sppoce,  hcr bin In the  E  neglhahsnd ScAB    SIAN3AV GN3 JSIN  TTTY P    aay  2Us9. IOWJ    Lalata  .. i  WEST END AVENUE    OF CAM  City of Cambridge DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC! WORKS PLANNING & ZONING 1025 WASHINGTON! STREET CAMBRIDGE, MARYLAND2 21613 410-228-1955 Board of Appeals Staff Summary November 18, 2024  MARYLAND 1684  . CASE INFORMATION: Applicant/Owner: Ann Shoemaker  BOA Case No.:  BOA2025-4  Nature of Request: Appeal of Historic Preservation Commission Determination  Location of Property: 906 Locust Street, Cambridge MD 21613  Total Acreage: Zoning: Year Built:  1313,760sqft  Neighborhood Conservation-3  1910  Open violations?: None  II. BACKGROUND: Thisi is an appeal of an HPC determination of Denial made on October 16th, 2024. At the September 18th, 2024 meeting of the HPC, the applicant requested to reconstruct the foundation and floor of the front porch of her home due to deterioration and to replace the porch flooring with Wolf PVC tongue and groove flooring where the floor had originally been wood tongue and groove. At the September meeting, the HPCa asked the applicant if she would like toa amend the application as a request for in-kind wooden floor materials. The applicant agreed to the amendment, and the HPC approved the application for    the reconstruction of the porch with the amendment that the flooring be The application was presented for review again at the October 16th meeting, where the applicant expressed that she no longer wanted to have the application amended and did not want to install wood. The application was then presented with a request for the composite flooring again, and the applicant's contractor presented information associated with the deterioration of the porch and justification for the use of substitute material. Upon review, the HPC approved a motion of denial, with a vote of four approving, and one commissioner  wooden 34" tongue and groove boards.  abstaining.  III. DISCUSSION: The Historic District Commission has adopted Guidelines for the West End Historic District which discuss the options to property owners regarding the repair, replacement, and reconstruction on the contributing properties within the district. The documents attached to this staff report provide the Historic Guidelines directly related to the project, as well as the details of the application received by the HPC. These documents have been copied directly from the original HPC packet for the October meeting which was made public and provided to the Historic Preservation Commission to inform their decision. The applicant is appealing the decision based on interpretation of the specified  guideline GPF 4.7.C: "GPF 4.7.C.  "If a historic porch or front steps is too deteriorated to repair, it shall be replaced in kind ori in an appropriate substitute material that matches the existing in size,  shape, texture, color, and other character defining features."    )  CITY OF CAMBRIDGE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS PLANNING & ZONING 705LEONARDLANE CAMDGkAMLAND2I63 THLPONE:410-278-6A66 FAX:410-228-1474  BZA Case #. 2025-4  MARY/LAND 1684  BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APPLICATION  Variance APPLICANT Note: 8 Copies oft this application MUST bes submitted to complete the Application OWNER INFORMATION SAME AS APPLICANT  (X) Appeal  () Special Exception  Name: Amn Shocmaker  St  INFORMATION Mailing address: 906 Lodust  Cambridge  Phone #: 703-447-Obl0 Fax #:  Name:  Mailing address: Phone #:  Fax #:  Property address: 906 Locust St  PROPERTY INFORMATION  Map & Parcel #: 0z0l Zoning ofl Property:  Size (acres or sq. ft  0445  13,760 SF  Resldenha)  This is an application to the Board of Zoning Appeals for a  request of: Replate  APPLICATION REQUEST  front  floos w wolf  porch  PVC tenque and growe floong  Statement by applicant - use additional pages if necessary:  JUSTIFICATION FOR REQUEST  Ge2 atached  Ihereby certify that the information provided on this application and any accompanying information is accurate, true and correct to the best of my  knowledgeand belief. Signature Applicant   of  Mbrlef Date  Receipt#  Date    BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS  CHECKLIST  THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION MUST ACCOMPANY AN APPLICATIONTO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND ISTO BE PROVIDED BY THE The application form must be completed by the applicant ini its entirety. Incorrect or inaccurate information may result in dismissal of the appeal onj procedural grounds.  APPLICANT:  Application and justification statement  The appropriate drawings showing all existing and proposed improvements on the property, with dimensions and distances to property lines, all abutting streets, and any special conditions of the property that mayjustify  the request  The fee has been determined by the City Council.  $200.00  FOR OFFICE USE:  Case Number:  Date Filed:  Hearing Date:  Placard Posted on Property: Decision of Board:  Notice Published in Newspaper:  Applicant (s) Notified of Decision by mail:    ARTICLE VI FARINGFROCEDURES FOR. APPEALS AND APPLICATIONS  Section 77. Hearing Required on Appeals and Applications  1.  Before making a decision on an appeal or an applicatidn for a variance, special exception, determination oflegal nonconforming status, or a petition from the Zoning Official to revoke a special exception, the! Board of Appeals shall hold a hearing on the appeal or application. Subject to Subsection 3., thel hearing shalll be open to the public and all persons interested int the outcome oft the appeal or application shall be given an opportunity to present evidence and Thel Board of Appeals1 may place reasonable and equitable limitations on the presentation of evidence and arguments and the cross-examination ofwitnesses so that the) matter at issue may Thel Board may continue the hearing until a subsequent meeting and mayl keep the hearing open to take additional information up to thej point a: final decision is made. The Board shall amnounce  2.  arguments and ask questions ofpersons who testify.  3. 4.  bel heard and decided without undue delay.  the date: and hour of continuance ofs such hearing while in session.  Section 78. Notice of) Hearing  The Zoning Official shall give notice' of anyl hearing required by Section 77 as follows:  1.  Notice shall be given at least 15 days in advance ofpublic hearing. Notice ofs such hearings shall bej posted on the subject property and at the Department ofPublic Works, and notice shalll be published on two occasions in a: newspaper of general circulation atl least 15 days prior to the Notice shall1 be given to the appellant or applicant and any other person who makes a written request for such notice by mailing to such persons a written notice before the hearing. The notice required by this section shall state the date, time, and place of thel hearing, reasonably identify the lot thati is the subject ofi the application or appeal, arid give al brief description oft the  public hearing.  2, 3.  action requested or proposed.  Section 79. Evidence  1. 2. 3.  The provisions of this section apply to alll hearings for which ai notice is required by Section 77. All persons who intend toj present evidence to the board, rather than arguments only, shall be All findings and conclusions necessary to the issuance or denial oft the requested permit or appeal. (crucial findings) shalll bel based upon reliable evidence. Competent evidence (evidence admissible in a court oflaw) shalll be preferred whenever: reasonably available; but in no case may crucial findings be based solely upon incompetent evidence unless competent evidence is  swor.  Zoning Ordinance City of Cambridge, Maryland  67  May 12, 2003    not reasonably available, the evidence in question appears tol bej particularlyreliable, and  matter at issue isi not seriously disputed. Section 80. Modification of Application at] Hearing  the  1.  Inr response to questions or comments by persons appearing at the hearing or to suggestions or recommendations by the Board of Appeals, the applicant: may agree to modify his application, Unless such modifications are so substantial or extensive that thel Board carnot: reasonablyl be expected toj perceive the nature andi impact oft the proposed" changes without revised it, thel Board may approve the application with the stipulation that the permit will not plans issued until plans reflecting the agreed upon changes are submitted tot the Zoning Official. bei  including thej plans and specifications submitted,  2..  before  Section 81. Record  1. 2.  A tape recording shall be made of alll hearings required by Section 77, and bel kept for atl least 90 days. Accurate minutes shall also bel kept of all such suchrecordings proceedings. Whenever practicable, all documentary evidence presented at al hearing as well as all other types ofphysical evidence sball bei made aj part of the record of the proceedings and shall  shall  the City for at least 90 days. Section 82. Written Decision  bel kept by  1. Any decision madel by the Board of Appeals regarding an appeal or variance or issuance revocation ofa special exception shall be reduced to writing and served upon the applicant or or In addition to a statement oft the Board's ultimate disposition oft the case and other information deemed appropriate, the written decision shall state thel Board's findings any and conclusions, as well as supporting reasons or facts, whenever this chapter requires the same as  appellant and all other persons who make a written request for a copy.  2.  prerequisite to taking action. Section 83. Judicial Review  a  1. 2.  Every decision of the) Board of Appeals shall be subject to review by the Circuit Court, The petition must be filed with the Court within 30 days after thel latter oft the following  occurrences; a. b.  A written copy of the Board's decision has been filed, or  A written copy of the Board's decision has been mailed by first class mail to the applicant or appellant and every pther aggrieved party who has filed a written  such copy at thel hearing oft the case.  request: for  Zoning Ordinance Cityo of Cambridgs,Maryland  68  May12,2003    3. The filing of an appeal does not automatically stay the order or action oft thel Board of Appeals. Upon motion and after hearing, the court may grant a stay, unless prohibited by law, upon Cost ofTranscript. The Department ofl Public Works ghall bei responsible for transmitting the transcript, along with the complete record oft the hearing, to the court. The appellant shall be Upon its determination oft the case, the Circuit Court shall file a formal order embodying its final decision. An appeal may be taken before, the Court of Special appeals ofMaryland or thé Court of Appeals ofMaryland, during the period and ini the manner prescribed by the: rules oft the Court ofAppeals, from any decision oft the Circuit Court. In such cases, the award of costs shall be  conditions as to bond or otherwise that the court considers proper.  4. 5.  responsible for the cost of preparing the transcript.  subject to the discretion oft the Court of Appeals.  Section 84. Reserved Section 85. Reserved  Zoning Ordinançe City of Cambridge, Maryland  69  May 12, 2003    Modifications to mature trees and significant natural landscape features  Photos ofe existing conditions as they relate to the streetscape  andIu understand the applicable HPC guidelines for my project.  layly Date  Sl Applicant/Owner Signature  OFFICE USE ONLY Receipt #: Meeting Date:  Date Received: Documents provided: 1original Filing Fees-Residential,  Taken By: $50.00  HPC Application #:  Commercial & Non-Residential $100.  Administrative Review (No charge) Request for Extension:  No charge iff filed before expiration date).  Note: Make Cheoks Payable to the City of Cambridge.  5    Board of Zoning Appeals Application  Ann Shoemaker 906 Locust St  lam requesting approval to replace previously rotted floorboards oni the front porch with "wolf" PVC tongue and groove boards. The floor of the porch was not salvageable as the boards were rotted and broken as were the supporting structures. Remaining elements will be preserved toi include railings and posts. The repaired porch will bei identical to the HPC guidelines state on page 63, Chapter 4-Buildings and their Composing Elements, "If al historic porch ori front steps is too deteriorated to repair it shall be replaced in kind or ina an appropriate substitute material that matches the existing in size, shape, texture,  original with the exception of the material used for floorboards. Section 7-porches and front steps (GPS), section GPF4.7.C.:  colorand other character defining features" This language is repeated in Appendix A. The proposed material meets these requirements.  lami especttultyrequesting approval to use this substitute material.            S  T E A> a E S    85-270/550 date Aesloy  1395  ANNL SHOEMAKER 906 LOCUST ST. CAMBRIDGE, MD 21613-1710 Cambndg  thy  $ O00.8  bohundaz brder  and ov/m  Bve  TRUIST E  mrdiu  055002707:1000202377568" 1395  PEATURIS  THES SECURITY    October 2024  APC  Raeket  Dhasing Agnda  906 Locust Street Proposed scope ofv work:  Remove existing porch floor. Install new 2"x8" salt treated framing. Install "wolf" PVCT&G flooring (same as side and back porch recently installed).  - Install screen on back porch and deck. Replace existing K-style gutters with K-style gutters. Replace single wood step on front of house with brick.  Remove concrete walkway on front of house and replace with brick. Install concrete apron on Oakley 610. 906 Locust Street (D-484). Two story, three bay frame house with a central entrance and a central projecting square porch tower with a gable roof. There is a hip- roofed one story porch across the front and two gabled dormers. Ca. 1890. Contributing building. B.  Street side of house at driveway.  Relevant Guidelines:  GPF 4.7.A. Historic porches, and front steps including character defining features such as railings, posts or columns, cellings, steps, lattice, flooring, piers, ornamental trim, and other character defin- GPF 4.7.B. Historic porch and front steps shall be repaired, rather than replaced, using materials and methods that preserves historic material, including patching, epoxy repair, reinforcing, or splic- GPF 4.7.C. Ifal historic porch or front steps is too deteriorated to repair, it shall be replaced in kind or in an appropriate substitute material that matches the existing in size, shape, texture, color, and GPF 4.7.D. Replacing deteriorated or missing elements of a porch or front steps shall be based on existing elements or documentary evidence. Creating at false historical appearance, such as adding GPF 4.7.E. Enclosing open porches that are seen from the public right of way shall not be undertak- en except for adding screening. Porches that are not seen from the from the public right of way may be enclosed or screened if the enclosure is designed and constructed in a manner that pre-  ing elements shall be retained and preserved, if possible. ing-in of new wood in place of deteriorated sections.  other character defining features.  Victorian ornament to a plain early 20'h century porch, shall not be permitted.  serves thel historic character defining features of the porch.    City of Cambridge HPC-COA#  PLANNING. AND: ZONING 1025 WASHINCTOSTREFT CAMBRIDGE, MARYLAND 21613 TELEPHONH: 410-228-1955 FAX:410-228-1474 MORELAYMVITTAe. 1-800-735-2258  ARC# EAR#  MAROYLAND  Application to the Historic Preservation Commission  Check the Appropriate Requested Action:  Informal Review  Discuss with Staff and the Commission preliminary design ideas forap project. The Commission will address the approprateness oft the proposal and provide guidance. Meet with stafft to discuss projects eligible for administrative review, such as in-kind replacement of deteriorated features, minor work not impacting the architectural characler, or repairs andi in-kind restorations etc. (see attached Minor Work Items Chart Mect withs stafft to qualify the level of emergency oft the repairs andi replacements One or more Commissioner will confirm (site visit may be required) in addition to: Staff  Administrative Review Certificate (ARC)  attached)  Emergency Approval Review (EAR)  Formal Review- (Certificate of Appropriateness. /HPC-COA) Requires a full review byt the Historic Preservation Commission Typical projects that apply (please check relevant sections below) Construction of any new buildings, additions, or accessory structures Exterior Building Alteration (facades, roof, porches. entrance stoops. ) Demolition/MovingaSiructure/Removal ofa character defining feature  Signage or Graphics Landscaping/FencingPatios/Paying Other:  Consent Agenda - Application is presented atl HPC meting; ifCommissioners have questions, itbecomes a full HPC review, otherwisei iti 1s voted upon without discussion Note: Please refer to Administrative. / Minor Works Item chart attached for details  on HPC-COA requirements  PROPERTYINFORMATION:  Address: Ann Shoemaker 906 Locust St. Cambridge MD. 21613 Map/Parcel Number Built  Current Zoning  Year    APPLICANTI INFORMATION: Name: Branden. A. Spear  Street Address: 506 Maryland. Ave. Cambridge, MD21613 E-Mail Address: branoenspearconstructnstruction@gmail.com  Phone Number: 410-228-5620  Number  Fax Number  CONTRACTORARCHIECTUfaplicabie, Name: B.A.S. Construction INC Address: 506 Maryland. Ave. Cambridge, MD21613 Daytime phone number: 410-228-5620 Email address: brandenspearconsinucttion@gmai.com  MHIC:89629  Please indicate below which sides of the building are impacted and provide  documentation as applicable: Main street front façade Side yard facades Rear façade and rear side ofhouse Outbuildings the project. Foundations & Masonry Exterior Wall/Finish Porch/Floor, Elements, Details : Entrance Steps Windows & Doors type & style Ornemental Elements (brackets..) Roof& Dormers Chmmey(s) Walkway & Driveway Built Landscaping Features Fences Signage Handicapped accessibility Solar Panels Exterior lighting  Please use the table below to indicate the existing elements that will be affected by  Existing Materials  Quantity:  2    Scope of Work: Describe the proposed project in detail, including all changes to the building, site, or lot. Include all features to be removed, replaced, altered, repaired, and/or added. Attach more sheets to provide all drawings and to describe all Remove existing porch floor. Install new 2"x8" salt treated framing. Install "wolf"PVC T&G flooring ( same as side and back porch recently installed) ). Install screen on back porch and deck. Replace existing K-style gutters with K-style gutters. Replace single wood step on front ofhouse with brick. Remove concrete walkway on front ofh house and replace with brick. Install concrete apron on Oakley Street side of house at driveway.  proposed, elements, materials and their specifications.  Please complete the following checklist of required elements to complete your Attachments Checklist: In order to ensure completeness of your application, please complete the following checklist of required documentation. Any application without the necessary documentation and deemed incomplete by staff will not be accepted nor  application.  presented at the HPC hearing. Required Documentation:  For All Applications(HPC.CoA, ARCandEAR): Completed/ signed application form elevation where the work is to be completed. like after proposed work is completed.  "Before" photos ofexisting conditions, should show the entire site, plan and "After" notedrawingeren.enng: should indiçate what the property will look Specifications and/or materials brochures describing in detail the manufacture, material, proportions and details ofa all new proposed elements ofrepair, replacement or  new construction  3    For New Construction, Addition or Demolition  Site plan, to scale. A: site plan should include: property lines, lot dimensions, fence location, fence length and height, existing structure(s), existing or proposed porches, decks and outbuildings, right-of-way or access easements on the property (even ifnot in use), distance from property lines, and location of surrounding roads. Floor Plans (showing existing conditions, demolition and new construction) Dimensioned elevation drawings of all sides affected (including any demolition & Construction Details (including all materials specifications, omamental elements, For Fences, Porches and Site Improvements (decks, garages, sheds,  new construction) special features) pergolas)  Site plan, to scale. A site plan should include: property lines, lot dimensions, fence location, fence length and height, existing structure(s), existing or proposed porches, decks and outbuildings, right-of-way or access easements on the property (even ifnot in use), distance from property lines, and location ofs surrounding roads. Drawing-phstographsofy proposed alteration and modifications to site Material specifications including picture or product brochure of proposed product, as well as specification sheet for construction materials and pre-fabricated elements  Solar Panels  Roof plan, to scale, showing the location of all panels on the roof  Elevations of locations with solar panels  Photos of"before", and ifp possible "after" conditions viewed from street level or  rights-of-way Signage  Dimensioned drawing/rendering of proposed sign and placement on the building Photos ofstreetscape, including surrounding signage ifa applicable.    Modifications to mature trees and significant natural landscape features  Photos of existing conditions as they relate to the streetscape  Ihave reviewed, and I understand the applicable HPC guidelines for my project.  Applicant/Owner Signature  Date  OFFICE USE ONLY Recelpt# Meeting Date:. Commercial & Non-Residential $100.  Date Recelved: Documents provided: 1 original. Fling Fees-Residential, $50,00  Taken By:  HPC Application #:  Administrative Review (Nocharge) Request for Extension: ( No charge If filed! before explration date).  Note: Make Checks Payable to the City of Cambridge.  5    906 Locust St        < 8  pogpeay        e  E 3 E 3 3  3  0 @  N    < &    =l  S  -    n  TI  S    September 18"2024 Meeting oft the Historic Preservation Commission-Excerpt for  HPC2025-10: 906 Locust 31:00 Comm. McNamara  Okay, fine. Sot forr new business, HPC20,25, 10, 906 Locust street for porchupdates. Is the  applicant present? Hey, how are you?  31:11 Ms. Shoemaker  Submitted by Brandon, but I'm here because he'si ini the middle of Mediterranean.  31:15 Comm. McNamara  Well, lucky him. That's fine. Ma'am, wouldy you please come on up andi introduce yourself?  31:24 Comm. Crosby Mediterranean. 31:31 Comm. McNamara Yeah, really? 31:32 Ms. Shoemaker locations. 31:47 Comm. McNamara  Well, yous should have told him. Youl know, he can. He can communicate eveni if hei isi int the  He said he was goingt to try, but Ithinki it's after midnight where hei is sO clearly not. Yous should speak upi if he's online. He said he was going totry. My name is Ann Shaker andIU live at 906  Good evening. Thank you for beingv with us.  31:49 Ms. Baldwin Thank.you. 31:51    Comm. McNamara  Could you! briefly describe the project?  31:53 Ms. Shoemaker  Well, the porch is in bad disrepair.  31:55 Ms. Baldwin The floori isr rotted. 31:57 Ms. Shoemaker  It's 130yearswortht of paint on the posts and thet trim.lwant to repair it to pretty much exactly as it is now, with one exception. Iwould like to put a composite flooring in rather than a woodeni floor. The railings are goingt to be stripped, the posts are goingt to be stripped. The supporting: structures will be replacedI because the wood is rotted.. And! want to replace the. Oh, didn't! realize the picture was here. Saidlwant to replace the step with brick and bricki itt to the. To the sidewalk.  32:35 Comm. McNamara done and thenyou. 32:40 Ms. Shoemaker  Soy you want to come around and do the side porch the same way that thet front porch has been  The front porch the wayt the side.  32:41 Comm. McNamara  Front porch the way the side porch has been done and then do the brick step.  32:45 Ms. Shoemaker Yes. 32:46 Comm. McNamara Thanky you,ma'am.    32:48 Comm. Crosby 32:52 Ms. Shoemaker done. 33:04 Comm. McNamara  Sot the side porch. Is thisawrap?  No, thisi isj just ai front porch. lassume you're talking. There's a side porchi that goes to the kitchen, whichis ar new porch that was approved, Idon't know, ay year and a half ago. That has already been  Ithink Brandon's got language in the application that makes comparison betweeni the side porch  and thet front porch is why we're asking.  33:10 Ms. Baldwin Okay. 33:11 Ms. Shoemaker  Andi it's probably because it's the same material that will be usedi for flooring.  33:14 Comm. McNamara Yes, ma'am, that's correct.  33:16 Ms. Shoemaker  Yes. But the railings will be different because the railings on the side porch are not wooden. The railings on1 the front porch will remaint the original railings, just stripped down andi repainted.  33:27 Comm. Crosby  Asking questions, kind of know the answers, but for record, Iwant to make sure lask yout the  questions. What's the material of the front porch floor now?  33:38    Ms. Shoemaker  Ibelieve it's wood. It's rotting. Yes.  33:43 Comm. Crosby  Sol here's the challenge. Our guidelines are really, really clear. If you're going to replace al historic material, you! have to replace it in! kind, especially on1 thet front porch. lunderstand before Iwas on the commissiont that exceptions were made for rear porches ands side porches. But again, our regulations are clear. If it's. Ifit's al historic material andy your replacingi it, youl have to replace itin  time. 34:26 Ms. Shoemaker  Soith thas tol be replaced with wood.  34:28 Comm. Crosby That's my opinion. 34:45 Comm. McNamara  That's what the guidelines say very clearly. I don't think we have an option to approve otherwise.  But whatwe'rehearinga and what wek know about this projectisthat: another porch ont this house has  already been done int the Wolf composite product.  34:53 Comm. Crosby Doesn't. Doesn'tmatter. 34:55 Comm. McNamara  And that we. And that the hope of the applicant is to make those sides match same composite  material with the appearance of the original historic material.  35:02 Ms. Shoemaker Correct. 35:05    Comm. McNamara Sowe have a. 35:08 Comm. Crosby  There's.lfyou. Someone: shows me in the guidelines thati it saysi it's okayt to dot that. Then I'lL vote in favor of the guidelines. Don't say, well,i if you've donei it on another porch, it's okay. Youl know, ify you removed historic materials on another porch, replacedi it with cementitious or whatever elsei that sets ap precedentthatsaysitsokayto: do itona at frontp porch. Show meinthe guidelineswhere it said  we can do that. It's not there. 35:41 Comm. McNamara  Idounderstand the point you're making, Tim, althoughl think also that we' 've had a number of circumstances, situations, opportunities, challenges where vinyli materials or other composite materials have been used to replace wood, not onlyi in siding, but also with poor trailings and balusters as wella as Ithinke evenwindows. And Ithinkthat we. Infact, Holly, correct me if I'm wrong, we've approved: some composite decking, but thisi is a different. For new decks, ithink we' 've used composite. Butl Idon't remember hearing a case where aj porch that was woodI has come back composite. Andy we've. guess what I'm sayingi is if we' 're going to approve vinyl siding for al house whenith had cypress clapboard alongi it, then howi is that different thanv what we're talking about  here? 36:36 Comm. McNamara  Iguess it's the kind of question! Iwant to raise and I'm not tryingt to be a champion for vinyl here.  36:43 Comm. Crosby  Thisi isthe hard part,right? Buti ifyoulook att the Secretaryofl Interiorsguidelines: and just because a pwpuacommisionvoatesdt the rules and approved the material, in my mind, that does not set a precedent that we can continue to violate the rules. The rules are clear. If the front porchi is wood andi it's al historic material, the guidelines say specifically) youl have to replace it with any kind. The only way we're going to bet fairi in my opinion, is to be absolutely consistent. Period.  37:28 Comm. McNamara  Was there a coal for the replacement of the side porchi int the wolf composite material?  37:35    Ms. Baldwin 37:38 Ms. Shoemaker comp. 37:49 Comm. Crosby Different. Different situation. 37:54 Ms. Baldwin  Ibelieve the side porchi is brand new, isn'tit?  There was porch there, IC don't believe. Well, it might have been original to the house, Idon't know cuz the door was there, but there was a. Ap porchremoved and theni it was replaced with one witha  She did haveac ca.A coa for all1 the workthat was done. 1.7 Thatwas beforer me though. Andlwill sayl remembertherewasapochn that. There havel been ac couple porches that have come int front of you int the past year where either all or al large portion oft the porches have been Plywood, and those have beenreplaced with azac. I'm tryingt to remember of ap particulari instance where it's been the originaltongue and groovet that'sb been replacedwithi the asac. However, is your. Whati isy your porch currently? Becauseldon'tt thinklg got tol look specifically at whati iti is now. Isi it the. Isi itt the tongue  and groove? 38:39 Speaker 1 Okay. 38:42 Comm. Crosby  Yeah. Int the case of plywoodi is ar replaçed material. It's not an originat material.. Andi int that case, thenyou can. Youc can make a decision as to what youy want to allow or not allow. But.  39:02 Ms. Baldwin 39:15 Comm. McNamara  Commissioner, didl I put the guidelines up ont the screen int front ofy youi in case your need.  That?lunderstand' the nature of the problem. Commissioner Intricaças, doy you question?    39:20 Speaker1  Welll.youknow, Is see al lot of properties in historical with the composite on, youl know, 101 West End. Ijust visitedthat.Acouple of other ones on Chop Tankl had ac composite.. AndI lunderstandi that cannot just because ity was allowed priort to this committee. lagree. It should go backwithi the  tongue and groove tol keep the historical part oft thel house. Yes, Idoa agree.  39:58 Comm. McNamara porchint this case, but noti for.  Sot thent this commission would be willing to offer COA approval for av wood tongue and groove  40:13 Comm. Crosby 40:16 Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the clear. 40:18 Comm. Crosby  It'sreallyi important what Holly's doing.  malyappeclatelnmatins suret thate eachone of these applicationshave these guidelines. Andl expect Holly, andy you can correct me I'm wrong, that wheny you're meeting with these people that you're doing a very similar thing and say, look, here's. Here's what the guidelines say.  40:37 Ms. Baldwin 40:40 Comm. Crosby 40:45 Speaker1 Yeah. 40:52  I'm trying to. Idon't know how perfect iti is.  Yet, but, you know, I,Ithink you're doing an excellent job. So.    Comm. McNamara changed? 40:59 Ms. Shoemaker  Ma'am, cany you, go back and consult with Brandon ont this subject and see if. If the plan can be  Well, I'm sure the can be changed.lwas just really hoping tol have the maintenance be pretty seamless,whichitichitisimpossible, whichitisnot with sets the porch upt to have peeling paint and rot  like it has now. Looks like garbage now.  41:21 Comm. Crosby  But there are. And like I've done dozens of instances. Andlappreciate where you're coming from, but there arethousands of reasonswnyltswon.drlulrolveinal MMOCNGLNAwNA  there are others that impose.  41:42 Speaker 6 Onyou. 41:45 Comm. Crosby doesn't have to do. 41:53 Ms. Shoemaker  Things that you have to do that someone in another part of the city, noti int the historic district  No, andlcan: appreciate that. Buti if there are other composite Porches int the historic district. It  seems unfair to, at this point, make the point with my project.  42:08 Comm. Crosby  It's noti trying tor make a point. It may be making a point. Iti is that the guidelines give us no choice. That's been one of the most dangerous things that's happened with historic district commissions. And withthe goodness oft their heart, they'ret trying to compromise. For me, justr me, the onlywaywe treat people fairlyi in my mindi is. Is the clarity of these guidelines. They're there for a reason, and thati is so that when people come here, they know what the results are going tol be, that there is consistency, there's fairness, because these guidelines are really clear. So it doesn't. In my mind,  this does not give us the right to compromise.    43:15 Comm. McNamara  And, ma'am, ifi it's any consolation, at 301 Willis, thel House that you're probably familiar with, whereltmeetslaverse streetatWillis,t there's at tongue and groove wood porch that's just come in there, andi it's beautiful. It looks fantastic the wayi it's been done. So perhaps taking al look at that would make youfeel better abouti thisp project. Although Ithink we all do understandthe point you're making about the maintenance of composite. The wood does look very good, anditi ist the historic  material that we're expecting fort the project.  43:44 Comm. Crosby  Okay, well, to not makei it come back, the question is, and1 thisi is your choice, because based on your application, we really don't want tot turni it down and have. Youl have to come back. If at this meeting you would agree that the porch material you usei is the wood, then we'll amend your applicationandstatel thatyou'l use thev wood materiali that matchest the existing on the porch. Then  youwalk away with approval andy you don't have to come back.  44:28 Comm. McNamara  Sot then, in the matter of. And Holly, if you could give me the proper number on this application, please.Idon't havei itright infront of me. Let's see. Ido now. I'm sorry. Iti is HPC2025, number 10 at 906 Locust Street. Ini the matter of the application for Wolf composite for porch materials, well, we'dliket to see that changed tongue and groove woodi for the material. And the applicant would be issued a COA1 to go ahead with that project as such. Andi if there's any question about that from either the applicant or the contractor, then they would go tol Hollyt then. And thenif Holly's got  questions, she'll come to the commission. Ma'am. Thankyou.  45:11 Comm. Crosby 45:19 Comm. McNamara And nowi for the vote.. All in favor?  Wait a minute. We have to vote: second. I'u second that first.  45:21 Comm. Crosby All right. 45:22    Ms. Baldwin Okay. 45:23 Comm.McNamara Soitis. 45:24 Ms. Baldwin Thank.you.    October 16th2024 istoricPreseryationg CommissionM MestinglranschptExcerptlorHPC2025-  10: 906Locust 23:35 Ms. Baldwin  Okay. 906 Glasgow.'mean, 906Locust. Thisi is an applicationi from the previous month. Andj just to clarify, when this application came toy you did make a motion oni it. However, the motion was on technically an amended application. The applicant at the meeting agreedto a change in material than was previously submitted for. She agreed to amend the application. The motion was made on the amendment. Andso now the applicant has. Isr now presentinge another change ini material going back tot the composite flooring for the porch. And so thisi is beingt treated as ar new application.  24:33 Mr. Spear  Just to emtywneelwasmstelen Ithought that this was already included int the first application when we did1 thel back porch and everything, because were under the aware. Iwas on the  impressioni itwasi includedi in all that.  24:45 Ms. Baldwin Itwas. 24:46 Comm. Crosby Yes, it was. 24:47 Ms. Baldwin Thisi isj just at technicality. 24:49 Mr. Dailidenas Sure. 24:50 Ms. Baldwin 24:56  Sot that iti is being! brought back because it was amended at the last meeting.    Mr. Spear Okay. 24:56 Ms. Baldwin application. 25:05 Comm. Crosby Okay. 25:07 Ms. Baldwin 25:11 Mr. Spear 25:13 Ms. Baldwin 25:15 Mr. Spear years ago. 25:20 Ms. Baldwin Multiple years ago. 25:21 Mr. Dailidenas Whenwe. 25:21  At the last meetingwhen: a motion was made, she was asked if she would like to amend the  And she agreed the amendment. And they madei the motion on the amendment.  Yeah. From last meeting to now.  Yes. So nowi it's going backt tot the original.  Andl.Ithought this was supposed tol have been allt taken care of in our original HPC meeting two    Mr. Spear 25:24 Ms. Baldwin 25:28 Mr. Spear  When we did, Ithink Carlene was here at the.  Andi ity was not anywherelcould.  Findy what was supposed. Everything the whole house was supposed tol bei intoi iti is what Iwas.! understood thatit wast there. and talkingto Ann. Cause she said, do we need aj permit?lsaid, well, don't knowi if her back porchl had run out or not. And that'sv whylcalledy yout to seei ifi it run out. And  yous said we didn'thavei it. Isaid, okay, we'll go to the meeting.  25:43 Ms. Baldwin Right. 25:43 Mr. Spear 25:46 Ms. Baldwin Right. 25:47 Comm. Crosby 25:50 Mr. Spear Well, for all the backwork. 25:53 Ms. Baldwin 25:57  Andlwas out of country. Sol Ms. Anno came here to represent herself.  Sot there's no record of a certificate of appropriate.  There is for all of the workt that's already been done.    Comm. Crosby Okay. 25:58 Ms. Baldwin  Brandoni thought it wasi included. This wasi included int the other work. Ity was noti in1 the scope of  worki for what was or what's already been done.  26:07 Mr. Spear  Wel built ana additionon thel back of herh house, and we also redid the side porch, andt the front porch was supposed tol have been included int that. thought maybe 11 forgot to write iti int there when we didt the original. But when we did all the. All this historical stuff two years ago or whatever it was,I was on the assumption it was already int there. And1 then when we came to do the front porch, because were! busy tryingto get the. We did al huge remodel int this house, and she wasi movingi in at the samet timeweret finishingupthe outside. Andi itwas kind ofe enough. Letme. Lety yous settlei in. So  that's why we waited and came backi now to do thet front porch.  26:40 Comm. Crosby  Sothis is a separate application?  26:43 Ms. Baldwin 26:51 Comm. Crosby  Yes, thisi is. Thisi is a different application thant the multiple the previous.years.  Soi is there a new application? Are you going to go over a request?  26:56 Ms. Baldwin  Oh, sure.. Just to reiterate fromt the last meeting, thisi is a request for newi flooring installation. New. Basicallyrebulldof: the porch flooring, the reuse of the columns. And thisi is already done, wasn't it?  27:31 Mr. Spear 27:33  That was. Idon't know why that's even on1 that.    Ms. Baldwin Okay.I Iwasinsane. 27:34 Mr. Spear 27:39 Ms. Baldwin 27:41 Mr. Spear 27:43 Ms. Baldwin  Unless pulled this. Unless thisi ist the Oldo onel Ipulled up by mistake whenlwas sendingit.  Ithink thisv was. This wasj just.  No, it'sg got the brick ati the bottom.  Yeah, ljust copiedfromt the application. Sofromi thel last meeting, the feedbacky was that everything but the composite flooring that was proposed was appropriate. And sot thei feedback that the committee commission; gave was that an appropriate substitute, an appropriate material for the front porch because the existing was wood, the appropriate substitute material would be wood. And SO during the process of deliberation, whent the applicant was asked ift they'd! like to amend theira application to wood in ordert fori it to be voted on, the applicant agreed to the amendment and it was voted on as an approval with the condition that thei flooring would be wood. However, the applicant changed their mind on the amendment ands so had1 to bringt the new application back. So the applcantisrequestingagstingagaininstalationot: the composite flooring, the wolf PVCt tongue groove  flooring. 29:14 Comm. Crosby 29:23 Ms. Baldwin 29:29 Comm. Crosby  And how cani there be two applications on the same property?  Technically, the last application was amended and the motion was made ont the amendment.  Right. With the owner's approval. Right on record.    29:33 Ms. Baldwin 29:46 Comm. Crosby How do you do that? 29:49 Ms. Baldwin 29:54 Comm. Crosby Okay, buti itwasn'ttabled.  Right. So the applicationt the applicant is now requesting not to amend.  Well, had the application not been amended and tabled, the applicant could have come back.  29:57 Ms. Baldwin couldh have come back.  But it was approved with an amendment. And! had it not been amended: and denied, the applicant  30:06 Comm. Crosby  Well,whatsthat. What's1 that have to do with the fact that the owner was askedi if they agreedwith  the amendment. And for the record, they agreed with the amendment.  30:20 Ms. Baldwin They did. 30:21 Comm. Crosby 30:26 Speaker7 They did1 the amended.  And based on that amendment, the commission voted to approve.    30:28 Ms. Baldwin  Right. And the commissonyoledwtntne condition. However, that is not what the applicant wants  toi follow through with. Sot they are bringingi in different application back.  30:40 Mr. Dailidenas Okay. Okay, go. 30:46 Ms. Baldwin  Ifthe application had come and wasi not amended: and hadl been denied, they would have to wait a year to bringt the same application! back. But because there was an amendment made andi it was approved with ac condition, the applicant decided, - don't want to use this condition, so therefore,!  don'thave approval anymore, sol Ihave to gol back.  31:07 Ms. Shoemaker  Itwasn't denied, but ity was approved.  31:12 Mr. Dailidenas Just the amendment. 31:14 Ms. Baldwin Right. And sO. 31:17 Comm. Crosby Sothis is a whole new. 31:19 Mr. Dailidenas 31:23 Ms. Baldwin Yes.  So she could! have gone. Essentially, she could have gone with the wood flooring.    31:24 Mr. Dailidenas 31:30 Comm. Crosby 31:32 Ms. Baldwin Correct. 31:33 Comm. Crosby  Chose not to brought it back. Right. Is that the gist?  All right, soit'sanew: application.  As a new application, the first thing that we have to do, yous show proof that the existing woodi floor is Deterioratedi to a point wherei it cannot be repaired. Someone do that for me, please?  32:07 Mr. Dailidenas I'u have one here somewhere. 32:14 Mr. Spear 32:16 Ms. Baldwin She's) just asking. 32:18 Ms. Shoemaker She doesn'twant to. 32:21 Mr. Spear 32:25  They've made this update int the phone. Ican'ti find photos for nothing.  Dome. Text or email these to you?    Comm. Crosby Email. 32:26 Ms. Baldwin 32:29 Mr. Spear 32:31 Ms. Baldwin 32:42 Comm. Crosby  Hold one second. Ithink put her right here.  No, Igot new ones. You don't have these?  Oh,lcan't get to my email. Go ahead and text them to me.  Just for audience purposes. Sure. The first obligation is ifit can be repaired, it must be repaired. So that'swhyl I'm asking this question.. Andifito cannot be repaired, evidence has to be shownthatit can't, whichnormally comes int the form of photographs. So that's why we're.  33:13 Mr. Spear  Well, the deck's been removed. It's been completely demoed. It's gone. Sot the chance of repairing is out of the window, and there'sr nothing left to repair. It was redone probably 2010ish or 12ish. I'd say maybe earlier, maybe 2008. I'm tryingt to1 think when Greg Strong owned it, andi it was done with regular interior pine flooring, which has livedi its life. And1 the bigger problem we're having ont that side of the house is the mildew. Everything there is just completely rotted andj just full of moisture from wherethe sun doesn't hit it at all. And also havingt that pine tree right next toi it doesn't get any sun whatsoever. Sot the mold, mildew, and algae and allt that, whatever) youv want to calli it, wasj just eatinge everything upt there. Whichi is another big reason why we want to go with the composite.  33:53 Mr. Spear 33:58 Comm. Crosby floor?  Not only that, but also the fact that we wantedi to match the side and back of the house.  But, Mr. Spears, the first issuei isyouremovedthei floor. Who gave you permisiontoremovethe    34:07 Mr. Spear  Nopermitt to removet thec demo.lmean,! I'ms sorryi ifl'mwrong, but Ididn't think there wasa permit to remove. Iwas out of the country. had everything lined upt to work on this porch because Iwas on thei impressionwe: already have approvali fora all this. And the last minute Ifound out we didn't. Andl didn't seei that therewas! being ab big deal in: stopping us fromworking on this, or else Iwould atl least put thet framingi in or something. Butlcan't exactly get the building permit to put thet framingi in,!  guess, until we get all this approved either. Sos she's without a porch.  34:39 Ms. Baldwin emergency. 34:49 Mr. Spear  Youreally still need approval to. Your need HPC approval tor remove. Unlessi it's. Unless it'san  It kindo of became anemergency. Itwasa ati the point whereyoureally fallen through. The one side we already fell through. And at that point Iwas like, let's not work ont the porch. We got traffic went in out of the house left and right. There's no sense int tearing up al brand new porch. So she's also refinishinga all the railings, all the posts, all the woodwork, alli the shutters. Shutters. All the window trim, fascias soffits! been all: scrapedd down. Denari'sbeenin there, redone all that. She's. She's going really goingt the extra mile here withi the original worki int this house. Not to mention went through and redida all thev windows in thel house. So thef few windowswe did replace, we puti in.Ib believe they  were Marvin's. They were the appropriate windows.  35:31 Mr. Spear 35:35 Ms. Shoemaker Sot the porchrallingiswood? 35:37 Mr. Spear  We did put three of those in at like 1200 some dollars a piece or something.  Iswood,) yes. That's allb been removedanditsbeen. stripped down. It'sall beingr put back properly by  Denario painting or Denario painting.  35:47    Ms. Baldwin Brandon. 35:48 Mr. Dailidenas Hey, is that the Lord? 35:53 Ms. Baldwin Ithinki it's Anne. 35:54 Speaker7 7 Canyoul hear me? 35:54 Ms. Baldwin Ann? Iti is Ann. 35:56 Mr. Spear 36:02 Ms. Shoemaker have tol be replaced. 36:12 Mr. Spear Jimmy, bring these up. 36:15 Comm. Crosby condition of the old Porsche.  Oh, there you are. You're on thet table. thought you were upi in the ceiling somewhere.  Soljust sentyoupicturesoft the rotteds support structuresthat could never have been repairedt that  Iwanti to seev whaty you're asking for. You're asking to put down a new porch fory you. lwant to see the  36:23    Mr. Spear 36:25 Comm. Crosby Okay. 36:32 Ms. Baldwin Brandon, doy yous see? 36:33 Ms. Shoemaker Brandon? 36:33 Ms. Baldwin Isee. 36:33 Mr. Spear 37:28 Ms. Shoemaker  Imean, doy youy want mei to sendi it toy you or do we walk upt there?  Yep,lgot you. I'm sendingi ittoHolly now.  Brandon, I'sent you pictures of the supports before they were ripped out.  37:32 Mr. Spear 37:36 Ms. Baldwin 37:50 Comm. Crosby Well, that's post demolition.  Yeah,lgotyou. just sent them to Holly. She's getting them up.  Okay. All right, Brandon, I've got one of them upt there. Youwant tol look behind you?    37:56 Mr. Spear Yeah, that'scorrect. 37:59 Comm. Crosby 38:02 Mr. Spear  What does that tell us about the condition of the wood porch for?  Well, Imean, if anything was any good, Iwould have lefti it and reframed overi it. She's got some pictures comingo of wheret the whole end was all rotted out. Andi it was about three repairs. Ibelieve the middle hadl been repaired like most of them always have been, and sides and everythingyou  can: see, were just starting to rot around the foot. Around1 the side.  38:26 Ms. Baldwin 38:54 Mr. Spear There we, go.Iknow. 38:59 Ms. Shoemaker Okay. 38:59 Comm. Crosby 39:03 Mr. Spear too. 39:16  Hold onj just a minute. And I'L have them up.  Ifits shows the porchframing, it doesn't show the porch floor.  Well,lcan assure you that the floor wasi in very similar condition in order fori ittoleakth through and gettot thatand causethatmuch: damage ont that size ofal lumber. And that's original heartburn pine,    Comm. Crosby  Let me ask a question. You're sayingt take this on faith that this floor was too damaged to repair.  39:27 Mr. Spear 39:29 Comm. Crosby Igot that. 39:30 Mr. Spear Sure, sure. 39:31 Comm. Crosby  Ith had beenrepaired multiple times already.  But here we are. We're a commission sitting here. Your application was supposed to have all of the  pictures that would justify that this porch floor needed to be replaced.  39:45 Mr. Spear Okay. 39:46 Comm. Crosby Application didn'thave them. 39:48 Mr. Spear Okay. 39:50 Comm. Crosby  Allright. And: sot tot tryt to: say, oh, okay, well, it stands to reason that it must be. Be damaged beyond  repair because it's not there anymore. That surely isi noj justification: at all.  40:07    Mr. Spear Okay. 40:07 Comm. Crosby  Itshould not have beenremoved. Youl had no permissiontoremove: it.  40:11 Mr. Spear 40:13 Comm. Crosby 40:21 Mr. Spear sorry. I'm sorry. 40:28 Mr. Dailidenas  I'm gratefully sorry. Idoa apologize.  And so now' we're. We're sitting in the situation where we're going.  I'm a prod! here, man. Youg got me so upset. Let me walk out and get some. air. My gosh, guys, I'm  Sol back tot the fact the application theatrics. Yes. Thei fact remains that this wasn't approved. So therea are waysto.Imean, there's clearly an openingi in the brick. There's wayst to investigate rotten framing without pullingt the deck up. Regardless of how the deck looks, the fact remains that the application was not complete. The fact remains that the demo wasj just done. Back tot the application.. As Holly said, wel know what happens when we deny things. Nobody wants this house tos sit int thes shape that it'si ini for ay year. This has clearly been handled. The only thing! cant think of would be tomake a motion to table this once again. Imean, do we table it again and let her. Att this  point, it needs tol be. Woodiswherelstand. Based on the guidelines. There's.  41:48 Mr. Dailidenas  It's atready been ripped up. There's no proof whether it could be repaired or not. We all knowyou, Brandon, andt that, you! know, people trusty you, buti it's still. It's not ont the application. Nobody wants to deny because, youl know, nobody wants to sit with a porch like this. It clearly needs tol be  repaired. 42:16    Ms. Baldwin Evenift the. 42:17 Ms. Shoemaker  You could not replace the Wood floorboards on top of this fully rotted support.  42:27 Mr. Dailidenas  And that. And that is not to cut you off. That is completely understood. That is completely understood. Again, not to cut you off, certainly bys your contractor. That evidence provided that the structural, that ity was structurally unsound. That's wherei these approvals for pulling upt the deck boards andi replacing themi inl kind come from. No, you can't replace these deck boards from underneath. The deck would need to come up. That's a different. That ship has sailed, so to speak. Soyes,! I'mnot denyingthat thisr needs tol be replacedandt thatitcertainlycouldint be replaced with the deck with the porch down. The fact remains it's a poor application. Sov what do we do?  43:18 Ms. Baldwin  Well, commission, doy youfeel likey youhave enough informationtomake ar motion ont the request in front of you, whichisr replacement of the porch flooringwith composite decking? Doy yout feel like  youhave enoughinformation or doy your need more information?  43:38 Comm. Crosby  Well, there'st the whole secondary condition and that ist thati the applicant has to prove that the substitute material is appropriate, that the material is the same in texture, size, form, application andi installation. I'm noty yet beyond the facti that once again work has been done without the approval of the commission. And it puts the commission in a situationwhere. Okay, well, yeah,  we're sorry that we destroyed this, but now what are you going to do?  44:27 Ms. Baldwin work to happen. 44:37 Comm. Crosby  Well, they still have to get approval. It really doesn'tr remove the fact that a COA has tol happenfor  Yeah, they can't go ahead with al building permit without the coa.    44:41 Ms. Baldwin 44:46 Comm. Crosby That's correct. 44:47 Ms. Baldwin  Itactually is not supposed to go ahead withi the demolition without ac coa.  Ands so the thingi is though, the application that'si ini front of youis fort the composite decade. And whether it was supposed to be taken up or not before the approval,lbelieve the same question  would still bei inf front of you. And so if you are we going.  45:13 Mr. Dailidenas this make a. 45:22 Ms. Baldwin Decision on the flooring. 45:27 Mr. Dailidenas  Toapprove the composite tongue or not? Isi the question is the basic correct?lmeanthat'swhat  Imeanwe don'tk know whati the porch looked like ahead of time, but nowi it's gone. So.  45:35 Ms. Baldwin  BiwpisNmanwA does iti matterwhat the porch looked like or not beforehandif  the applicant or the contractor is statingt that it was wood?  45:50 Comm. Crosby 45:53 Ms. Baldwin  Well, we know how woodi is installed.  And youl know whati it would have looked like? The three quarter towing groove.    45:57 Comm. Crosby 46:04 Ms. Baldwin Right. 46:06 Comm. Crosby 46:09 Ms. Baldwin  Absolutely right. Every porchint the historic districti isj just about the same.  Some are more elaborate, but they're told the same.  Soi it was brought up. What didi it look like before?lthink we can deduce pretty easlywhaticould  play before. Doy you need more information ont that?  46:19 Mr. Dailidenas what she's. 46:38 Comm. Crosby  I'm not against approving the. Regardless of that, I'm not opposed to approving the in kind look of  Howi is it requested? Talk about the differences.  46:41 Mr. Dailidenas savingi is gone. 47:00 Comm. Crosby  Okay, so sorry, misspokewiththe look thati is available because the option for repair, pullingupand  Solet'sdrilld downintowhatthe. Whati its says. Material similarities in material. Right. The materials aren't the same, but the questioni is what are the dimensions of the proposed material to be used?  47:21 Mr. Spear    Granite MOMpnCENS That'swhatwe coded. Samet thing we installed on  the back on the sideboard.  47:31 Ms. Shoemaker  Sot based on application, we do not have the completeinformation of materials to be used. Sothe  choice would seem that we table it for approval.  47:48 Ms. Baldwin 47:56 Ms. Shoemaker Veah,ldonthavel it. 47:58 Mr. Dailidenas  Iwould say that you did. Ify you're missings something int terms of materials, Ican provide iti fory you.  Itis. Itwas. Yeah, we're not. We're not missing that.  48:02 Mr. Spear  Idon't knowi ifitmatters, but I've. Wevebenaprovedior: this severatimesoverseveral years and  Idon't knowi if that matters anymore.  48:09 Mr. Dailidenas  But MaswymimowtRAud again,i it'sj justl I'mo only one commissioner, but given. Given the  situation, Ifeel there's enough to consider moving ahead with this.  48:24 Comm. Crosby 48:29 Mr. Spear I'dlovet to. 48:30  Okay, so let's talk about the installation. So how we installi it.    Comm. Crosby Huh. 48:31 Mr. Spear 48:32 Comm. Crosby Everything. 48:32 Mr. Spear I'dlove to. 48:33 Ms. Baldwin Okay. 48:34 Mr. Spear  Youl howwe're gonna install it?  Okay. So we'reg goingto be doing thet tongue and groove. Three quarteri inch,threeand: ac quarterinch  tongue and groove porch flooring board. Mike, you're familiar withi it, right?  48:42 Speaker 6 All right. 48:42 Mr. Dailidenas 48:44 Mr. Spear 48:45 Comm. Crosby  Oh, yeah. I've installed many. Yeah.  Sowe're goingt tol be doingt that.  We're going to put ins stainless steel tongue groove.    48:47 Mr. Spear  Tongue groove? Ohy yeah,t tongue and groove. We're goingto puti iti in with stainless steel roof cleats, not screws or nails where it's going to come all falling apart down the road. We're going to be doing the PVCapron or whatever we calli it, trimmer onthe side becauser that alwaysrots. We're also even going to got tot the shop where we can put the oge. The oge base cap detail underneath thet front, whichi is what Ilike. We're not going to do1 the dumb little. Whatevert that little ribbonist they put around it. We're going to router the edges, make it lookj just like it used to. That's one thingl I'm particular about andI Ithinkt that's what's mosti important int this commission! is thati regardless of  whatever material goes back beyond all that is that it looked like it used to.  49:24 Mr. Spear 49:25 Comm. Crosby 49:29 Mr. Spear  And that's what we're trying to dol here.  Tommy, groove with an apron. It will not look likei it usedt to.  No, no. The band board, what are) you going to calli it? Band boardi that goes around. It's going to be stick. Thei tongue groove board is goingt to be over top of thel band board by ani inchy withi the OGE  trim detail tail up underneath of itj just like it originally was.  49:40 Comm. Crosby be an apron or1 there. 49:51 Mr. Spear  Sot the exposed. Thel board willrun out and be cutt the same as a piece of woodi flooring. There won't  Will not be al border. Yes, I'm sorry, maybelsee whatyou'ret talking about. That's what Iwas tryingt to clarify. We're not doing. Soy you have the framing right here. The deck board will go onj just like that. Stick over about an inch and al half at the beginning. Thent the one by six goes up here like this. And  then right up underneath herei is al little OGEt trim detail that'll go upside down.  50:08 Comm. Crosby  Base andi the collar runs at full thickness. Is the edge the same color as the.    50:16 Mr. Dailidenas 50:20 Mr. Spear  Oh, it's thei injection colored. Noti the cheap.  Thisi isthe good stuff. Thisi isn't composite. This is PVC coated composite. There's al huge difference between the two. And a good example, just for clarity is the Americant flag house has composite flooring whichhas fallen apart. Andt the! black house crawls street has the azac which isi the same as the Wolf that we're using. And they were all done withint two, three year time period. Andy you can  see which one's! holding up, which one isn't.  50:40 Speaker 6 This isi the better stuff. 50:42 Mr. Spear back. 50:51 Mr. Dailidenas  Itshould be here, should last. Again, back to the wood railings, the wood posts, all that's going  Bronte, does that clarify ast far as like, now1 that youl know that, does that helpy you as far as having  the proper information ast far as material and installation, all of those things.  51:04 Ms. Shoemaker  Soi it goes to ar more technical issue for mei thati if we sit here, we're supposed to have complete applications.s Sooncey you: start going down that slippery slope of certain people can come in, have anincompete.weyouaverbalvsualzaton: andthenthe next person comes in, they have tol have acompeteapplcmtiontharsweiewegetintn. problem. This wasi not a completeapplicationto:  me. 51:36 Ms. Baldwin  Commissioner Lake, Iwill sayt that Ithink the issues thaty youl have with the application were probably mostly my fault because this application! having been givent to us previously the previous month,lwas! honestly unsure which kind of. What kind ofi informationyouwouid: need.. And especiallywhenitoenitcomestothese materialsthatareusedveryoften,; sometimesl do overlook what    actyyoowlinedAndicans/lheaplcant did giver me all of the material specifications. Soif Ididn'ti includethose,Icancertaintyprovide those toy you. Doy youwantr met to. Iwas goingt to pull up the compositer materialsothatyouallcouldseethe specifications ont the board. Would you like me  to dot that? 52:32 Comm. Crosby  Iwant torealize that we've been saying the precedenti isn'tmeaningfut. Ican understand allowing this one as side porch or rear porch. This is a very important contributing building. The materials were removed without our permission. So while Idon't think anyone would deliberately tell an untruth, just think that not. Not forcing the use of wood ont the front of the buildingi is a major mistake. People come back and say, oh, well, got a maintenance issue. And all the rest of this. Look, there are wood floors in the historic district. Wood porch floors are over 100 years old. You're living there. It's the nature of owninga a historic home that you got to make repairs.  53:52 Ms. Shoemaker  But aren'ti the railroads remaining as wood?  53:55 Mr. Spear  Yes, we're tryingt tol keep allt the original detail we can. Ms. Anni is actually that's what she wants.  That's why we redid all the windows and shutters and thei face and: stuff.  54:08 Mr. Dailidenas  Holly, for clarification, is there anything specific in the guidelines? Because it's much more black andy whitet to me. As far asj just thinking! back tot the windows, when were discussing the windows in the way that it'sv written, that doesn't really leave muchi toi interpretation. But aslrecall, the udetinestemselvesateat bit more liberali in terms of porch floors. Not shape, size, texture, buti in  material specifically. 54:48 Ms. Baldwin 54:53 Comm. Crosby appropriate.  We'LL pull upt the guidelines sO we can got through them.  Well,Imean,i if wej just readit. If al historic porch or front steps too deterioratedi to repair shall be replaced inl kind ori in appropriate substitute material. And appropriate. That's the key word,    55:09 Mr. Dailidenas 55:13 Comm. Crosby Bywhom? 55:14 Mr. Dailidenas 55:24 Comm. Crosby 55:29 Mr. Dailidenas  And to bet fair, this material has been deemed.  Appropriate. Us. Imean, just, youl know, based on decisions made with guidelines.  Where has it been approved? Ont the front porch. Someone tell me where this material.  Where well, that's why these things.  55:31 Mr. Spear Are, you know, recorded. 55:34 Mr. Dailidenas Idon't have that memory.  55:35 Comm. Crosby Historic district. 55:36 Mr. Spear Yeah. 55:36    Mr. Dailidenas Yeah. 55:37 Mr. Spear  I'vei installed one on Traverse street. Particular the black house on Locust. 807-809! Locust Street. I've done several over the last 15y years. Okay, now, wherei it says, what was the word, the language  you're looking for right there?  55:53 Comm. Crosby Appropriate. Appropriate. 55:56 Mr. Spear 55:57 Ms. Baldwin Righthere. 55:57 Mr. Spear Ijust want to clarify, is an. 55:59 Comm. Crosby character defining features.  Where'st that line? Right there for you?  Appropriate substitute material that matches the existingi ins size, shape, texture, color and other  56:07 Mr. Spear  Okay, sO what does appropriate mean? Thatswhat'mtyinggtounderstand. What does appropriate mean? It doesn't say species. Itv would say species if it meant like, youl know, pine salti treated, something like that, Ithink, or mahogany or whatever. So appropriate would mean. Doesn't mean the makeupof the material then, doesi it? Appropriate substitute material that matches the size,i it matches the shape and it matches thet texture andi it's going to bel battleshipgray.  56:39 Mr. Dailidenas    And myp point here, Tim,l Iguess is, and the commisoningmeaimoto, againcut you off, Brandon, but tot this pointi isj just like we did our best toi interpret the wording about the windows: specifically tot this. I believethat our interpretationi is correcti in allowing. He's not coming here, to be fair, doing at five quarter by six spaced like somebody's putting al back deck on the front of their house. Andl know al lot of these houses have this. That was done at at time that predates this guideline. Thisi is MMWPeoAncetNimen, any other opinion or, youknow, nterpretaton.woudlove to hear.  Ijust am putting that out there, per that sentence.  57:46 Ms. Shoemaker  Are youn makinga a motion, though?  57:49 Mr. Dailidenas  Iwas just speaking. No, Iwas) just speaking. Iwould like to make ar motiont to approve with the informationthatwe: have withthe decking that'sg going down witht thei installation. Giventhe factthat keepingt the decki in place was cleari that wasn't going to happen no matter what, and we would havel had thatinformationt regardless of whether or not the deck wasremoved. Sorry, the porch floor was removed before or after we had thati information. The porch floor had to come off one way or the otherto repairwhatwast underneath. It was done ini the wrong order. But thei fact still remains,1  motion that it be approved witht the tongue and groove as stated.  58:57 Comm. Crosby Is there as second? 59:11 Mr. Dailidenas The phone of the commission.  59:12 Comm. Crosby 59:33 Ms. Baldwin projects, anything. 59:56  Okay. Without us, without a second, emotion doesn't move forward.  Commissioners, is there any otheri informationy youwould like int terms of guidelines, materials,    Mr. Dailidenas 01:00:00 Ms. Baldwin  Someone says SO whati is our next stepl here for this project?  Soy your options for the pplcatonaretoapplove. deny, approvewthconditions or table defer. And ify you defer, mys suggestion would be eitherarequest: for moreintomationorsomethingalongetnose  lines to provide the applicant with clarity on expectations for me.  01:00:45 Ms. Shoemaker Soi it's just those three, right? 01:00:48 Ms. Baldwin 01:00:51 Ms. Shoemaker 01:00:56 Ms. Baldwin as. 01:01:02 Ms. Shoemaker  Sol.What doy your meani it'sj just you three?  The three of us that are able to make ar motion?  No, the chairisav voting member as well. Okay. The chair can make. The chair canr make a motion  Well, based on previous discussion. Conditional approval with amendment. Imake ar motion that  the current application be denied.  01:01:23 Comm.C Crosby l'lls second. 01:01:27 Ms. Shoemaker floor cannot be.  Iwoutd like to sayt thatlagreedi to the amendment a month ago because it thought.. And then! Ihad one second andr realizedthattheguideguidelinesactualy, do allowi for alternater material. Andthat'sifthe    01:01:48 Ms. Baldwin 01:01:52 Ms. Shoemaker through. 01:01:59 Ms. Baldwin 01:02:06 Ms. Shoemaker  Repaired, whichit could not. Hey, Anne. Absorbing water.  Iwas gettingt to the point where Iwas afraidt to walk across the deck. Iwaswaiting fori it tot fall  Sot there were places. Sorry,you don't have pictures of that. Icant tell yout that water that.  Was spilled on1 the deck would be absorbed into the deck. What does that say? Clearly, the floor  had to come upi to repair what was underneath.  01:02:16 Ms. Baldwin It was a safety hazard. 01:02:18 Ms. Shoemaker lapproved the amendment. 01:02:21 Mr. Dailidenas And. 01:02:21 Ms. Baldwin 01:02:24 Mr. Dailidenas Can) youl hear me in, ma'am?  Can you hear us? Because Ifelt like.    01:02:26 Ms. Shoemaker 01:02:38 Ms. Baldwin 01:02:43 Ms. Shoemaker replaced with a composite.  AndIlater realizedic did. And: solhave come back to request otherwise to replace thet floor that.  Has been used on many,many.  Porchesi in the historic district. There was one at the corner of Willis and" Travers that was recently  01:02:55 Mr. Dailidenas Okay. 01:02:57 Ms. Shoemaker Ihave. 01:02:58 Mr. Spear 01:03:01 Ms. Baldwin  For the record, it was starting to work. thought it was already approved.  Idid mute her because were int the middle of a motion. That is not my. That is not whatl Iwantedto need to do. But the motion would not be validi if the commission does not finishi it. So, Commisionera.teevasa motion on thet floor. There wasa second. Ineeda vote. And the motion  was denial of the application. Just to remind you.  01:03:37 Mr. Dailidenas All those int favor? 01:03:39 Ms. Shoemaker Aye.    01:03:40 Comm. Crosby Aye. 01:03:44 Ms. Baldwin 01:03:52 Mr. Dailidenas Abstaining. 01:04:13 Ms. Baldwin  Oh, there's noti ini favor. Any abstaining?  Pretty sure the motion passes as a2to1 11 abstention. Ifi for some reasont that is not the case, Iwill clarify with our legal department. Usually we have five members ont the commission, so there's  usually not an email. But at the moment, the motiont to deny is approved.  01:04:35 Mr. Spear 01:04:40 Ms. Baldwin 01:04:45 Mr. Dailidenas Okay. Okay. 01:04:46 Mr. Spear Thank.you, guys. 01:04:47 Speaker7 We're good, right?  Yous said we deniedit. So we, just come back next month again or we file ai new Application.  Come back next monthif the application is different than this one.    01:04:49 Ms. Baldwin It's denied. Okay. Okay