Lower Paxton Township Planning Commission  Meeting Minutes August 7, 2024  Commissioner's Present Fredrick Lighty Douglas Grove Lori Staub Jeff Kline Everette Hamilton Kurt Meckes Sandra Bloom  Also Present Jason Hinz, HRG. Inc. Tim Staub, HRG. Inc.  Nick Gehret, Lower Paxton Township Codes Officer  Amber Booth Heshler, (alternate)  Call to Order  Mr. Lighty called to orderi the meeting oft the Lower Paxton Township Planning Commission at 7:00pm ont the above date in Room A of the Lower Paxton Township Municipal Center, 425 Prince  Street, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.  Pledge of Allegiance  Mr. Hamilton led the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance.  Approval of Minutes  Mr. Lighty asked if there were any questions or changes to the. July 10, 2024, Lower Paxton Township Planning Commission Meeting minutes. Mr. Grove made a motion to approve the Lower Paxton Township Planning Commission July 10, 2024, meeting minutes. Mr. Hamilton seconded the  motion, and a unanimous vote followed.  New Business Ordinance 24-06  Mr. Gehret stated that the Lower Paxton Planning Commission has received thei following information on the Ordinance 24-06 amends Chapter 203 of the Zoning Ordinance, Section 303.A, to modify the Lower Paxton Township Zoning Map (the "Zoning Map")t to rezone land from the AR,    Agricultural Residential District to the OSD, Open Space Development Overlay District. Ordinance 24-06 amends the Zoning Mapi to rezone from the (AR) Agricultural Residential tot the (OSD) Open Space Development Overlay District for the parcel known as Dauphin County Taxl Parcel No. 35- The Planning Commission has been providedi thei following information regarding Ordinance 06:  003-014(180.27 acres).  Proposed Ordinance 24-06 Acopy oft the Public Notice  The Application for1 the amendment to the: zoning ordinance  The proposed ordinance was advertised in accordance with thel PAI Municipalities Planning Code. The Public Notice was posted in the Legal ad column of The Sun on Thursday, July 25,2024,  and Thursday August 1, 2024.  The property was posted with the public notice on August 2, 2024.  The Application for Amendment to the Zoning Ordinance was sent to Lower Paxton and Dauphin  County Planning Commission for review on July: 2, 2024  Mr. Shawn Delaney, Steven & Lee Attorneys at Law, 171 N. 2nd Street, and Mr. Simpson, representing the Ordinance Rezoning. Mr. Simpson is representing the applicant of Bonitz Farms andi the Open Space Overlay. The purpose oft the Open Space Overlay isi flexibility, protect sensitive area erosion, increase storm water, recreation to development, avoid construction where there are steep slopes, reduce construction and this will allow the use of land. The current zoning AR could be 1 unit per 1 acre, that could be 108 units, where the Open Space is 40%, with natural features and would be 74 units, 1 unit per 2.8 acres. The property is not public water nor public sewer. Thet fewer the unit the Mr. Hinz stated that there was an issue with the comment letter from. July 31. The relative road construction and the Yield Plan. The man: slopes, roads, driveways are consideration. Preserve the natural areas. The land development needs flushed out. The number of lots showni is accurate. Mr. Bomberger stated that the Dauphin County Planning Commission met Monday and did say that they approve and are consistent withi the Comprehensive Plan and the Regional Plan. The  less traffic. Dauphin County Planning Commission recommends the overlay.  development should be done correctly or the cluster zoning strategy.  Public Comment  Wilma Winters, 6021 Parkway East, stated where will you go in and out of this project. The eastern ort the western side of Mr. Beckes property. Ther roads arei for access to farmingi implements. Mr. Delaney stated that thisi is zoning notl land development. Step 11 first. Safety andi responsibility: are  the issue.    Linda Lucas, 6707 Parkway East, stated thisi is a dangerous traffic spot, the speed limiti is 25 mph. The risk of wildlife preservation. The stormwater running off the side of the mountain down the Bob Thomas, 6600 Parkway East, stated he moved here when the development was large and Jay Shatzer, 937 Pheasant Rd, stated he had at thumb drive presentation. Mr. Shatzer stated that the 60 units were fari too much, the yield plan was too high. The code 203.11C3 determines how many sites? Outline the Lower Paxton Comprehensive Plan. This areai is a nature feature gem. The 60 houses downhill downstream with the stormwater will flood the beaver creek. 770 is the highpoint and 440 is the southern low point. Parkway East is up and down. 37t to 40 houses the Tri County Regional Plan 30 years showed. The rural reserve area is less.15 unit per acre and 90 divided by 6.5 =13 houses. The rare wildlife, natural resources, Kittitian Ridge and the hill elevation, al lot of Nathan Graham, 6903 Fox Hill, stated thati the: zoning purpose and by laws. The 400 acres of AR, there are steep, flooding with ingress and regress. The ground water is onsite and off-site sewer, that the redrilling of wells will have to occur. No potential of water or sewer. Mr. Graham stated has West Hanover been made aware of this. There are 15 objectives of the zoning and 7 are not net. Mr. Todd Beck, 6210 Parkway East, stated this is a narrow country road, andi there needs to be at traffic study done. Safetyi issue. The Marion' View stop sign there is no view, and the road disappears. Connie Burchett, 6300 Parkway East, stated that the Police were called out 6:30 Monday morningi in the creek. You cannot drive the road ifyou don't know it. The roads are not plowed in the winter with Mr. Beck stated there should be 2i ins and outs, Blue Meadow Farms does not require that. Bill Miller, Crestview Rd., stated that Pheasant Road and Piketown Road are dangerous, even in the rain the roads are nots safe to drive. Therei is al blind spot at St. George Dr and Parkway East. The retention and impervious low ground hold water. Build al bigh bridge, culvert or structure because of the amount of water. The road was repaired twice, what wast thei financial repairs. Mr. Lighty stated for1 thet township to get thet financials. The storm water ordinance handles thei infrastructure and less of whati is there. Mr. Miller stated aret the developers accountable, the residents should not be Gary, 5904 Rayview Dr, stated that the egress or entrance is not good. There are problematic stop Jeff Baltimore, 6026 Parkway East, stated he has children and there is a lot of space for1 the David Hall, 6880 Parkway East, stated who is paying for this roadwork, the developers or the  mountain.  private. There werel horse and buggies and no utilities.  thought should go into this project.  Lighty stated that they applied to bel here, SO we are here.  a plow they use a snowplow grater because of thei intensity of the road.  accountable.  signs and blind spots that need suggestions.  children. Hei is not moving.  taxpayers.  Melissa Hoke, 5920 Parkway East, stated that she lives on a downslope.    Steve Foke, 6707 Parkway East, stated that he moved tot this areai from Perry County becausea a soccer field was built against his property. Mr. Foke stated these roads are not madei for traffic. Mr. Delaney stated that thel lower number of units permitted by right will havel less traffic impact. The lower density plan. The Ordinance and then planning with a public hearing than the Board of Supervisors, better than right plan. Mr. Lightys stated1 that wasi not before us tonight. The right to develop properly. ARi is the largest plot size and cannot do anything, the infrastructure is lacking Mrs. Staub stated at the curve of the frontage of the property are the other roads butted up to the West Hanover property. Was this plan submitted to' West Hanover or were you waiting fort the land development subdivision. Mr. Delaney stated yes but they have not proceeded toi talk to West Hanover. West Hanover can prevent leaving Compton Road and the only exit would be Parkway East with no 2nd road out. Compton Road isi in' West Hanover, and they can say no. The Baker and Murphy/ Smith pond flood. Parkway East is windy, Compton Road is a private drive and Conservation Dri is in West Hanover Township. Bonitz Road is a driveway not ap public road. Mr. Lighty stated is it public or private. Mr. Delaney statedi iti is ar rite of passage, Bonitz Drive. Mr. Meckes stated this is not correct. The right of passage the ability to have access to a private drive. Mr. and Mrs. Foke stated table it until the facts from West Hanover are heard andi the determination Mr. Meckes made a motion to recommend to table Ordinance 24-06 until thet facts from' West Hanover Township over Compton Road. Mr. Hamilton seconded the motion, and a unanimous vote  The municipal government has power.  withi thel Land Development. The Open Space Overlay or not.  Compton Dr will bei forcing traffic to Parkway East.  over Compton Drive.  followed.  b. Prelminary/Fina Subdivision Plani for Cider Press Station Plan # 22-12  Mr. Gehret stated that the Lower Paxton Township Planning Commission has received thet following information ont the Preliminary/Final Subdivision for Cider Press Station will consist of 27.71 acres, 45 lots, and 110total dwelling units to be developed in accordance with the plan. The dwelling units will consist of 37 single family detached dwelling units and' 73 Single family -attached townhouse The proposed open space for Cider Press Station will have at total area of 14.88 acres and will consist of 2,262 LF of public trails. Additionally, open space lot 45 will include a parking lot and The site is ini the R-1 Low! Density Residential District with (TND) Traditional Neighborhood  units.  public access toi thei interloping trail that will extend along Nyes Road. Development overlay and will be served by public sewer and water.  Waiver Requests:    1.[SLDO: 180-503. C.1]-1 The applicant seeks ay waiver oft the requirement for all streets associated with the plan ini terms of right-of-way and cartway widths. The street standards as adopted by Lower Paxton Township does not account for this type of traditional neighborhood development. Minimum street right-of-way: and cartway widths for a minor street at 50' and 32' respectively and for a collector street are 60' and 36' respectively. The applicant requests waivers for these requirements for all streets associated with the plan in terms of right-of-way and cartway widths. We: support this waiver request as ther news street have been proposed to meet the criteria outlined 2.SLDO:1850-503. H. 2.]- The applicant is seeking a waiver of the requirement that the Minimum We: support this waiver request to allow the community to be more walkable and reduce speeds 3-SLDO:180-503. K.3 3]-1 The applicant is seeking a waiver of the requirement that the clear sight triangles ati intersection 75'1 for minor roads. Waiver requested is relative to a single townhouse unit, townhouse unit H1's encroaches slightly into the 75' clear sight triangle at the Pear Ridge  int the Traditional Neighborhood Development Ordinance 203-314.L.4.b).  horizonal radius is 150'1 for a minor street.  through the neighborhood.  Drive/Barlett Lane intersection.  We: support this waiver request as the proposed encroachment is minor and allows the community to meet the criteria outlined in the Traditional Neighborhood Development Ordinance. 4. SLDO:180.503. 1.3.]- The applicant is seeking a waiver oft the requirement that driveways shall We support reducing the minimum distance of separation between driveways and inlets to less 51SLD0:180-503.141-4 The applicant is seeking a waiver of the requirement from the minimum separation distances for1 thei intersections. The applicant requests a waiver from the minimum separation distances fort thei intersection of roadways and Cider Press Road. The applicant requests awaiver from these requirements because the minimum intersection separation distances do not support the intent of the TND development to allowf for rear access garages; thet townhouse units fronting on Cider Press Road are accessed int the rear of the units which dictates the location of the We support this waiver request for consistency with the intent of the TND development. 6. [SLDO: 180.503.1.1)-1 The applicant is seeking a waiver of the requirement that no driveway shall be within 401 feet of a street intersection. The applicant requests a waiver of providing the 401 feet separation due toi the nature of the TNDI layout and the driveway separation is relative to the rear We support this waiver request, contingent upont the plan being revised to show the greatest amount of separation distancel between the driveways andi intersections as possible. Likewise, clear sight triangles shall be maintained along approaches to thei intersections.  not be located closer than 5'1 from an inlet or a fire hydrant.  than five feet.  private roads Honeycrisp and Barlett Lanes.  access garages being coming off the "Private. Alleys".    7,18LD0,180-515E1a The applicant is seeking a waiver of the requirement to install Street Trees We support this waiver request as the streets are private streets withi the purpose of providing rear access to the lots and street trees have been provided along all public streets within the proposed 8. SLD0:180-508.a.1 The applicant is seeking a waiver of the requirement to install sidewalks We support this waiver request as no significant improvements are being made int the vicinity of Nyes Road and all dwellings located at Honeycrisp Lane and Bartlett Lane can be accessed via 9.[ SLDO:180-509.A.] J- The applicant is seeking a waiver of the requirement to provide curbing, We support this waiver request as no significant improvements are being made ini the vicinityof 10. SLDO:180-515. E. 1]- The applicant is seeking av waiver of the requirement to provide street We support this waiver request as no significant improvements are being made int the vicinityo of 11. [SLDO: 180-503.F)- The applicant is seeking a waiver of the requirement that the maximum length of a dead end street or cul-de-sac shall be no moret than 600 feet and shall not furnish We support this waiver request as this design allows for a safer alternative to creating intersections 12.ISLD0:180-503. F.10]- The applicant is seeking a waiver of the requirement that two evenly  along Honey Crisp Lane and Bartlett Lane.  development.  along Nyes Road and along Honeycrisp Lane and Bartlett Lane.  sidewalk from Apple Ridge DRIVE, Pear Ridge Drive, and Cider Press Road. pavement, widening, and drainage improvements along Nyes Road.  Nyes Road.  streets along Nyes Road. Nyes Road.  access to more than 20 residential dwelling units.  with Cider Press Road.  spaced snow removal locations shall be placed along cul-de-sac bulbs.  We: support this waiver request.  13. [SLDO: 180-406.C.485 404.C.485]- The applicant is seeking a waiver of the requirement to show existing natural and manmade features within 1001 feet of the property line. We: support this waiver request as ita appears there are minimal substantial features located within 100' of the property line and to avoid intrusions into the neighboring residential neighborhood. Mr. Tim Mellott, Mellott Engineering, was present to represent the plan. Also, John Fox, Mission Land Company, owner of the property, was present. Mr. Mellott stated that this is a 28 acre TND    residential and commercial property. The master plan excludes minor curb line, duei to safety concerns, with on street parking. There arei four spaces on Cider Press Road that people cross the road in which alter vision. Mr. Lighty stated did you increase parking on the parks side of thet trail. Mr. Mellott stated the sidewalk is part of the open space. The applicant and HOAI maintain the sidewalk to the northside. The northside of the road is being realigned and graded. Cider Press Roadi the right of wayi is being graded and the easement is being graded for stabilization. New road onf frontage with the moving of the road and grading with sidewalks. There will be no driveways on Cider Press Mr. Mellott stated that the snow removal waiver, requirement place on curb line toi the right of way. There is a 501 fty width to lot and the intersection is separate. Following the TND waivers. Mr. Lighty stated1 that with the TND waivers, the architectural review guidelines. What will be built, layout. Mr. Mellott stated architectural standards. Al lengthy discussion regarding TND architectural stands was discussed. Mrs. Staub stated at first TND booklet, what was chosen from there. Mr. Mellott stated he did not look at this booklet. Mr. Lighty stated that it is not rendering every unit but needs street scape. Mr. Mellott stated he was not an architect. Mrs. Staub stated to Mr. Fox the uniformity of 8 units, and things change over they years. Mr. Lighty stated thati the discretion is now.  Road. There will be sidewalk on every public street.  The discussion is to provide options of what might be, not rendering.  HRG Comments-  Mr. Hinz stated that the August 1 memo, the result was 2i intersections. There are 5t technical comments. Site data table, additional details curb/ ramp, slope stabilization on Cider Press Road, lighting requirements on thet trail, and storm water calculations. Mr. Mellott stated hei is ok with the  comments. County Comments-  Mr. Bomberger stated to show the SRTA Capital Transit runs on Locust Lane. The open space requirements the garage not close to the right of way nor too close to be living quarters. The living space is above the garage. The requirement of usable outdoor space. Mr. Mellott stated that there  are central commons and a middle area gazabo, 300 sq. feet of front yard.  Public Comments  Debral Kish, 6011 Union Tunnel, Union Station, stated that these are private road, and thet fire trucks James Owens, 6029 Union Tunnel, stated there is not enough parking, emergency vehicles cannot get through. Cider Press Road and Fairmont Drive people go1 thrut the stop sign there needs tol be a Resident, 405 White Drive, stated is there a general theme, bungalow, Victorian or noi theme. The traffic amount is a concern around Shadebrook, the right side of Nyes Road. Thel builder what is the price range. Shadebrook had 2 builders which was ok, the impact of mixi medium not keepingwith  cannot get down the road, they are not wide enough for emergency apparatus.  traffic light. Our propertyvalue decreases.  Shadebrook. Thet theme, traffic and developer are concerns.    Joe Lindsey, 6244 Overview! Lane, the pickleball court is it open to residents, andi the method to who uses the facility and that it does not turn into al hang out. A pass should be required to geti in. Mr. Mellott stated and the hours. Mr. Lindsey stated would there be lights and at fence. Mr. Fox stated no lights and there would be a 4-footi fence. Mr. Lindsey stated abouti the noise. Mr. Fox stated the buffer: zone and overview is a new community. Mr. Lindsey stated there needs to be at fence because of the walking back and forth and through the yards. Mr. Mellott stated the walking path will eliminate that and maintain the open space strip. The HOA will be responsible for the open Mrs. Lindsey, 6244 Overview Lane, stated there needs to be al buffer because ofi it being a new Mr. Lindsey stated that north of them is a dumping ground for dog waste and people, just let their Mr. Lindsey stated about at traffic study. Mr. Fox stated that yes there is onei from Union Deposit Roadi to Nyes Road. Mr. Mellott stated that from Fairmont Drive to Union Deposit Road and from Union Deposit Road to Cider Press Road. Mr. Lindsey stated there are 2 bad blind spots, Cider Press Anette' Willow, 6300 Overview Lane, stated the size of the homes, are they single family homes 2 story., with green space. Union Station and Shadebrook: are TND. Mr. fox stated sell to builder. Mrs. Willow stated thel Ls shape walking path of asphalt to Nyes Road. Mr. Mellott stated that they are Robert' Willow, 6300 Overview Lane, stated the TND rules for a cul-de-sac. Mr. Mellott state lower the cul-de-sac and taket the road down. Mr. Willow stated Overview Lane is the only road thruto Mrs. Lindsey stated that it's a one road cul-de-sac. There are: 2r roads that are private and have rear access driveways. Two driveways and 2 garages. Cider Press has parking on both sides of the street. Mr. Lighty stated the waivers are fine with the staff support. Mr. Mellott stated the styles of homes. Mrs. Staub made a motion to recommend to table the Preuminary/Fina Subdivision Plani for Cider Press Station Plan 22-12. Mr. Hamilton seconded the motion, and a unanimous vote followed.  space, where there is a fence and walking space. community people are walking through they yards.  dogs go.  Road west to Union Deposit Road, Grove Road curve on the right side.  incorporating a sidewalk upi front and moving the road.  Fairmont Drive. Thati intersection was not built for thet traffic.  Come back next month.  c.2 24-08 update Storm Water Ordinance  Mr. Hinz gave a presentation ont the update of 24-08 Storm' Water Ordinance. Mr. Hinz stated to  reach out to him with any questions. Mr. Lighty stated no action required.  Comments-    Mr. Bomberger stated the Transportation Development isi ini the 25year planning of major corridors. Thet federal funding of thel long-range plan. One of the topics ist thel Rt.39 and Mountain Road interchange. Mr. Lighty stated is there nothing on Rt.: 39. Mr. Bomberger stated the process gets  reviewed, than township evaluation and then that is the beginning.  Next Regular Meeting  Ther next regular Lower Paxton Township Planning Commission meetingi is scheduled for September  4, 2024, at 7:00pm. Adjournment  Mr. Grove made a motion to adjourn the August 7, 2024, Lower Paxton Township Planning Commission meeting. Mr. Hamilton seconded the motion, and a unanimous vote followed. The  meeting adjourned at 9:45pm.  Sincerely Submitted, ikb Keasih Michele Kwasnoski Recording Secretary