Minutes of the  Historic and Architectural Review Commission  City of Georgetown, Texas Thursday, September 12, 2024  The Georgetown Historic and Architectural Review Commission met on Thursday, September 12, The City of Georgetown is committed to compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). If you require assistance in participating at a public meeting due to a disability, as defined under the ADA, reasonable assistance, adaptations, or accommodations: will be provided upon request. Please contact the City Secretary's Office, at least three (3) days prior to the scheduled meeting date, at (512) 930-3652 or City Hall at 808 Martin Luther King, Jr Street for additional information; TTY users route  2024 at 6:00 PM at Council and Court Building, 510 W 9th Street.  through Relay Texas at 711.  The following Members were in attendance: Jennifer Powell, Heather Smith, Robert Blomquist Public Wishing to Address the Board  Present were: Lawrence Romero, Linda C Burns, Michael J' Walton, Evan Hein, Alton Martin,  Onas subject that is posted on this agenda: Please fill out a speaker registration form which can be found on the table at the entrance to the meeting room. Clearly print your name and the letter of the item on which you wish to speak and present it to the Board Liaison prior to the start of the meeting. You will be called forward to speak when the Board considers that item. Only persons who have delivered the speaker form prior to the meeting being called to order may speak. Speakers will be allowed upt to three minutes to speak. Ify you wish to speak for six minutes, it is permissible to use another requestor's granted time to speak. No more than six minutes for a speaker may be granted. The requestor granting time to another speaker must also submit ai form On a subject not posted on the agenda: A request must be received by the Advisory Board or Commission Liaison prior to the day the agenda for this mee ng is posted. Each speaker will be given three minutes to  and be present at the meeting.  address the Board or Commission members. No action can be taken.  1. Regular Session 1.A Meeting Minutes  Consideration and possible action to approve the minutes from the August 22, 2024, regular meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission = Erica Metress, Moved by Evan Hein; seconded by Lawrence Romero to Approve the minutes from the August 22, 2024, regular meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission.  Planning Specialist    Motion Approved: 7-0 Voting Against: None  Voting For: Lawrence Romero, Linda C Burns, Michael J' Walton, Evan Hein,  Alton Martin, Jennifer Powell, Heather Smith  1.B 2024-39-COA (313 E. 8th Street)  Public hearing and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Appropriateness for an addition that creates a new, or adds to an existing street facing facade on a Low Priority Structure and a newi fence that isi inconsistent with the overlay district's applicable guidelines for the property located at 313 E. 8th Street, bearing the legal description of 0.165 acres out of Block 17 (E/PT) Glasscock Addition 2024-39-COA) - Maddison  O'Kelley, Preservation and Redevelopment Manager Maddison O'Kelley presented the staff report.  Gary Wang, applicant, approached the podium to address the commission to introduce Craig and Jennifer Pizer, owners, approached the podium to address the commission Wang shared that the larger window on the addition is to allow more daylight from the east and added that they changed the material of the windows from vinyl to fiberglass. Wang shared images of nearby homes that include a 6-foot opaque fence viewable from Commissioner Romero inquired about the choice of a hallway instead of a breezeway connection to the new addition. Wang explained that the clients wanted to connect to Commissioner Hein highlighted the potential elevation difference between the rear of the subject property and the rear of the neighbor's property and inquired about the height of the neighbor's home in comparison to the height of the new addition. Wang explained that there is a two-story home. Wang added that the garage was set back and not Commissioner Hein inquired about the modifications to the windows on the north facing side of the garage. Wang mentioned that there was a question of looming and in response, would be able to raise the sill height of the windows.  the owners of the property. and introduced themselves.  the street.  the garage without going outside.  aligned with the neighboring structure.  Commissioner Hein asked if the fence on Elm Street was proposed to be located on the property line. Wang explained that they are proposing the location of the fence to be on Chair Walton asked if the proposition was to make the middle window smaller. Wang explained that the proposition was to make the window larger to provide more lighting, but  the property line.  ifrequested to make it equal, then the applicant will adjust it.    Chair Walton asked staff to provide clarification on the windows that were discussed int the staff report concerning looming. O'Kelley explained that the windows concerning looming in the staff report were the windows on the rear facing elevation. When there are windows on the rear that are facing into an adjacent property's rear side yard, it is recommended that the windows have at least a sill height of 65 inches. O'Kelley shared that the smaller accent window met the requirement, but the full-size windows mentioned and the windows Commissioner Powell asked if there was a possibility of removing the top window on the 2nd floor from the west facing elevation and still maintain lighting as intended. Wang explained that there is a rhythm with the placement of the windows and shared the alternative option that did not allow for a recommended or typical sill height. Commissioner Martin shared his concerns with the fence on Elm Street and explain that 6-feet, non-transparent fences take on the image of a wall. Commissioner Martin recommended to add more transparency to the current proposal of the fence on Elm Chair Walton opened and closed the public hearing with no speakers coming forth. O'Kelley shared that the applicant would accept a condition to postpone the scope of work around the fence to a future meeting date sO that they can provide additional With no further discussion, Chair Walton asked for a motion from the dais. Moved by Evan Hein; seconded by Lawrence Romero to Approve with following conditions: sill height of the north facing windows on the addition are raised to the recommended 651 inches, all windows are updated with approved materials, the east facing windows on the addition are symmetrical in size, and the fence has a minimum Voting For: Lawrence Romero, Linda C Burns, Michael J Walton, Evan Hein,  on the west facing elevation do not meet the requirement.  Street.  material to address what was discussed.  of 5% transparency. Motion Approved: 6-1 Jennifer Powell, Heather Smith Voting Against: Alton Martin 1.C 2024-45-COA (1611 Austin Avenue)  Public Hearing and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) for an addition that creates a new street-facing façade, an addition to a porch, patio, or deck and the replacement of al historic architectural feature with a non-historic architectural feature for the property located at 1611 S Austin Ave, bearing the legal description of Lot 5, Block 2, Logan Addition (2024-45-COA) - Olivia Beams, Historic  and Downtown Planner  Olivia Beams presented the staff report.    Leonard Wallace and Victoria Wallace, applicants, and Krista Whitley, owner, approached the podium to address the Commission and introduced the participants. Commissioner Powell inquired about the historic design guidelines as it pertains to Beams provided a jog in the foundation as an example of distinguishing new styles from old styles and adding conjectural features that may be present on other homes Commissioner Powell recommended keeping in style with the original column and recommended that the applicant consider adding an iron fence in the front yard as a barrier to unwanted traffic. Whitley acknowledged that an iron fence would not allow Chair Walton highlighted that the proposed design does not have a railing and explained that he was not concerned with the front deck and dormer.  Victoria Wallace provided a presentation.  distinguishing the new style from the old style.  when iti is not presented on the requested home.  parking for the owner as street parking is not available.  Commissioner Burns asked staff if the addition of the porch can be added without the need for the roofline to cover it. Beams explained that the applicant would need to submit a new set of plans for staff to review the request. Beams added that staff does not review flat work as part of the COA process and that the design guidelines generally call for a Commissioner Burns voiced that she has no concerns with the deck on the north side of structure and the dormer. Commissioner Burns shared that she was concerned with the style of the columns and added that she does not like the change in the roofline. Commissioner Hein shared his concern with roofline as it impacts the character of the front façade and added that a porch without the roof may be more desirable. Commissioner Hein suggested in setting the porch back from the front façade or adding Commissioner Hein asked staff if there was guidance on the amount of differentiation or setback from the façade to create adequate differentiation. Beams acknowledged that there's no guidance in terms of numeration, but the design guidelines call for a jogi in foundation or a small change in materials to help visually distinguish the new style from Maddison O'Kelley, Preservation and Redevelopment Manager, acknowledged that Beams was correct and added that there is guidance on additions that impact character of defining elevations. O'Kelley shared that the guidance was to set back 101 feet from the Commissioner Romero highlighted the change in integrity of the overall structure and  deck to located at the rear of the property.  awrought iron 4-foot fence along the side.  the old style.  front façade of the original architecture.    asked if the changes would lose the structure as al historic asset. Beams explained that the structure would not necessarily lose status altogether and clarified that there could be a possibility in lowering the priority designation. However, Beams clarified that she did not  want to speak to the next potential historic resources survey.  Chair Walton opened the public hearing.  Liz Weaver, 1221 South Main Street, approached the podium to address the Commission and shared that John Reynolds purchased the lot and built the structure in 1913. Weaver requested that the commission considered the propositions carefully. Weaver highlighted that the structure was not identified as a Belford house but built by an employee of the Belford Lumber Company. Weaver shared that she found information regarding a completed mechanics lien in 1937. Weaver highlighted that the alterations remain as is since 1937 besides the alterations to the columns. Weaver explained that the property is int the northern downtown gateway which limits parking. Weaver reiterated that the home isr not a Belford home, but built by someone who worked for Belford, and that the addition Chair Walton closed the public hearing and asked for a motion from the dais. Moved by Michael. J' Walton; seconded by Lawrence Romero to Postpone to Date Certain to the October 10, 2024, HARC meeting to review comments and make Voting For: Lawrence Romero, Linda C Burns, Michael J' Walton, Evan Hein,  was completed in 1937.  adjustments to the proposed front porch extension. Motion Postpone to Date Certain: 7-0 Alton Martin, Jennifer Powell, Heather Smith  Voting Against: None  Chair Walton called for a short recess at 7:50 pm. The meeting reconvened at 7:57 pm. Public Hearing and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) for an addition that creates a new, or adds to an existing street facing façade, a setback modification to allow a proposed addition 2'-8" into the required 6'-0" side setback, and replacing a historic architectural feature with a non-historic architectural feature for the property located at 1411 S. College Street, bearing the legal description of0.135 acres out of Block 97 (PT) Dimmit Addition (2024-40-COA) - Maddison O'Kelley,  1.D 2024-40-COA (1411 S. College Street)  Preservation and Redevelopment Manager Maddison O'Kelley presented the staff report.  John Lawton, applicant, approached the podium to address the commission and provided background information regarding the property and the proposal. Dorthy Fallin, owner, approached the podium to address the commission and acknowledged that she and her husband purchased the home with no intention of making the changes proposed. However, Fallin highlighted the need for the changes    due to rodent damage, termite damage, and plumbing issues.  Commissioner Hein highlighted that the guidelines mention that additions should be subordinate to the main structure and continued to speak oft the scale of the request as Commissioner Powell acknowledged that the hand drawings of the proposal were difficult too capture the scale and asked ifl Lawton could provide context to give an idea of the scale of the second story at street level. Lawton explained that the second story is setback quite a bit and mentioned the measurement to be about 34 feet back. Lawton highlighted that the addition would be the only place to bring more square footage to the structure and acknowledged that changing the roofline creates space sO that iti is not sO Commissioner Powell inquired about the opportunity for double hung windows on the second story. Lawton acknowledged that one can be added, but the staircase is placed there to allow for a decorative window. Lawton added that a fireplace is added because Commissioner Smith expressed difficulty in visualizing the distance of the addition due to Commissioner Martin shared his confusion on how the structure was deemed as a medium priority designation because it is an assembly of at least 3 different construction periods. Commissioner Martin continued to share his concern that the structure's condition may be worse than anticipated. Commissioner Martin concluded with a comment that he was generally supportive of the request but would like to see work on  overwhelming given the size oft the structure and lot.  dominant.  the original house had a fireplace.  the hand drawings.  the windows and make sure there was no looming. Chair Walton opened the public hearing.  Jud Harris, 1403 South College Street, approached the podium to address the Commission and would not like the structure torn down. Harris shared that he sympathizes with the owner and wished that the rear windows complied. Harris would like the front pitched roof to remain and wish there was a solution to all the concerns. Doris Curl, 1404 South College Street, approached the podium to address the Commission and shared that she lived across the structure since 1977. Curl shared that she was not supportive oft the request as proposed and hoped to find a resolution as the house poses many challenges. Curl added that she would like the history of the front of the house saved. Curl highlighted that the proposal is overwhelming to the lot and street. Elaine Sebald, 1810 Eubank Street, approached the podium to address the Commission and believed that support should be given to people who purchase homes in the area  Harris concluded that he was not in favor of the request as itis.  Curl concluded with hope to find a resolution.    and essentially take on projects. Sebald highlighted that there were two attempts to demolish the structure in 2017 and acknowledged the condition that it isi in. Sebald believed that there should be a balance in historic preservation considerations and work done for the homes. Sebald concluded with consideration of the scale of the  house.  Chair Walton closed the public hearing.  Lawton believed that all additions or replacement structures within the last couple of years have been overwhelming projects whereas his project was small in scale. Lawton repeated that the second story addition was the only way he can add square footage. Discussion on roofline between Lawton, Commissioner Romero, and Commissioner With no further discussion from the dais, Chair Walton asked for a motion.  Hein.  Moved by Jennifer Powell; seconded by Alton Martin to Postpone to Date Certain to the September 26, 2024, HARC Meeting to allow the applicant to revise the design based on  the feedback.  Motion Postpone to Date Certain: 7-0 Alton Martin, Jennifer Powell, Heather Smith  Voting For: Lawrence Romero, Linda C Burns, Michael J Walton, Evan Hein,  Voting Against: None  Chair Walton called for a short recess at 9:09 pm. The meeting reconvened at 9:11 pm. Conceptual Review on a request for a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) for a 5' encroachment into the required 20' front setback, a 5' building height modification from the required 15' building height, and new infill construction for the property located at 1406 Pine Street, bearing the legal description of Lot 1, Block A, Park Subdivision 2024-24-COA) - Olivia Beams, Historic and Downtown Planner  1.E 2024-24-COA (1406 Pine Street)  Olivia Beams presented the staff report.  Cary and Michelle Barfield, owners, approached the podium to address the commission and acknowledged that the proposal is two stories in height. Cary highlighted additional two-story homes within the area. Cary shared that the property is too narrow for a back garage which is why the garage proposed to be ini the front of the home. Cary shared that the occupied rooms will be on the left side, facing another two-story home. Cary explained that the window on the second floor of the right side of the home is a window that would let light into the staircase. Cary concluded with explaining that the brick of the home would Commissioner Martin commented that the overall size of the building is out of scale  be painted white. with the neighborhood.    Cary shared that the peak of the garage is proposed as such to camouflage that it is a Commissioner Smith shared her appreciation for the awning and suggested to set the Commissioner Powell agreed that there is variety ini infill construction in the area and agreed with Commissioner Martin that the structure is overwhelming with the surrounding neighborhood. Commissioner Powell asked if the garage could be recessed in comparison to the front door. Cary shared that they would need to inquire with the Chair Walton highlighted staff's analysis in which the proposed structure is 149% larger than other homes on the block and that the home has multiple siding materials and architectural features, including chimneys, a pergola over the garage, and a feature window. Chair Walton agreed with Commissioner Martin that the design of the home is different from old town and repeated that the architectural character with the old town Commissioner Burns agreed with Walton and highlighted that there are a lot of roof angles and shapes. Commissioner Burns believed that the home should be simpler for Commissioner Hein highlighted that the guidelines around the architecture, porch, roof pattern and form, and consistency oft the windows were non-compliant and recommended Commissioner Romero believed that two stories are appropriate in the area, that the garage location is the only available location, and that the overall size is different than Michelle shared that the reason for the roof line is that they wanted to preserve the one- story style on one side oft the home and avoid looming into the neighbor's home. Cary requested key points from the discussion. Chair Walton suggested striving for Commissioner Smith explained that there may be possible ways to simplify the roofline.  two-story home.  fireplace further into the room to avoid encroachment,  architect.  area does not comply.  the block and old town.  more consistency with the guidelines in those areas.  structures in the area.  greater adherence to the design guidelines.  No action was taken on this item as it was a conceptual review.    1.F Discussion Items  Updates on Upcoming Training for HARC Commissioners, Downtown Master Plan, UDC Rewrite, and Commissioner questions and comments = Maddison O'Kelley, Preservation  and Redevelopment Manager  Maddison O'Kelley announced that the commission will receive additional  communication about forthcoming trainings.  Adjournment These Chair  at the meeting of  Stle,t YR Attest