1  OLD FORGE BOROUGH COUNCIL OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA  2 3 4  5 IN RE: COUNCIL WORK SESSION  6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18  DECEMBER 6, 2022 7:15 P.M.  OLD FORGE MUNICIPAL BUILDING 314 SOUTH MAIN STREET OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA  COUNCIL MEMBERS:  19 RUSSELL RINALDI, PRESIDENT RICK NOTARI, VICE-PRESIDENT MICHELLE AVVISATO JAMES HOOVER MICHAEL LETTIERI 22 ANDREW BUTLER  20 LOUIS FEBBO  21  WILLIAM RINALDI, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR 23 MARYLYNN BARTOLETTI, BOROUGH MANAGER  ROBERT LEGG, MAYOR  24 25  Mark Wozniak Official Court Reporter    2  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Ladies and  gentlemen, once again welcome to the 01d Forge Borough work session. Tonight is Tuesday, December 6th. The purpose of our meeting is to go through our department heads, our borough manager, our council members and our solicitor to see if anybody has anything that they would like on the agenda for the upcoming meeting which will  be Tuesday, December 20th.  We'11 start with our DPW manager,  Joe Lenceski. Joe, anything for the agenda  for the upcoming meeting?  MR. LENCESKI: Nothing for the  agenda.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have MR. NOTARI: When will we begin  any questions for Joe?  doing cold patching? Will that happen :  MR. LENCESKI: I'm hoping to get  some of that done this week.  MR. NOTARI: I'm only asking because  there's a hole in my street. I'm sure there's many holes throughout the borough.  MR. LENCESKI: I need to get on    3  that. With everything going on with the holidays. Definitely. Usually this week is paper and cardboard, which is a lot quicker than the commingle. Therefore, it allows us to have more time, especially with no snow events. We'11 be able to jump on that.  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  I'd like to let everybody know we  did receive the F-550 that I orderer in August of '21 today and I brought it to  Powell's.  MR. HOOVER: Couple houses in my  subdivision that still have yard waste  laying out.  MR. LENCESKI: I'11 send the guys  out to pick miscellaneous yard waste. Even though we closed out doing yard waste before Thanksgiving, because of us having Thanksgiving and Black Friday off they've been continuing for the sake of having it in  the yard until spring.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody else  for Joe? Thank you, Joe.  Chris Hart, code enforcement/zoming  officer, anything for our agenda coming up?  MR. HART: Nothing for the agenda.    4  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Just the fact after the meeting if I can get five minutes with you guys I'd appreciate  it. That's about it.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Absolutely.  Anybody have any questions for Chris? Thank  you, Chris.  Dave Lopatka, engineer, anything  coming up for the agenda?  MR. LOPATKA: Nothing for the  agenda.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any questions  for Dave?  MR. FEBBO: Dave, anything going on  with the river? PIMA and FEMA, Army Corps  of Engineers?  MR. LOPATKA: Did I send you guys  that form? I sent it to Marylynn, the form Iwas looking for for the -- I guess it's a  survey of -  MR. FEBBO: You said you were  getting something out there about a month ago but I didn't get anything yet.  MR. LOPATKA: I sent it. MS. BARTOLETTI: Tomorrow let me  know.    5  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. LOPATKA: I sent that because I  think the initial thing we talked about was doing a survey with local businesses. That was the first thing on the agenda. I found the actual form on the DEP website. Idid send it to Marylynn. I'17 send it again.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We have to do  a survey of the businesses on Lonesome Road, get their background, get their history.  MR. LOPATKA: This form is a DEP  form.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: But we also  have to come up with some type of plan that we think is going to fix it that we can bring to the meeting with them, and then obviously they're going to tell us what the fix is going to be. But they said they want  to see a plan from us, though.  MR. LOPATKA: We can get a rough  plan, but I did send the form. I guess you didn't get it. I'11 send it again to  Marylynn.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So the form or  the plan, we can- contact them after January.  MR. LOPATKA: Come up with a    6  schematic. There's not a ton of room there to do a lot, but we can see what we can figure out. I - think it's probably some type of wall type of system. I don't think you can really put a dike system there. I don't know if you have enough width to do that.  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. FEBBO: The river encroached on  the road, sO there's a lot more room to push  it back in to where it came from.  MR. LOPATKA: But doesn't the river  come relatively close to the road, the bank  of the river?  MR. FEBBO: Now it does, yes, only  because it's been washing out throughout the years. Originally that was way back. There was enough room to park cars there.  MR. LOPATKA: I'11 get something on  that.  MR. FEBBO: We don't have enough  room from washing out. Next time the road  goes, it's gone.  MR. LOPATKA: It's on that curve. MR. FEBBO: That's why people are  reluctant to do any improvements on their property because they're concerned about    7  being flooded. They're not going to invest tons of money in there. Again, that's the main driveway to 01d Forge from the highway. The first thing you see when you come around  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  that corner from Moosic.  MR. LOPATKA: I'11 get that back out  again and we'11 get a plan together.  MR. NOTARI: Dave, has the architect  been up yet to look at the senior center?  MR. LOPATKA: Marylynn is supposed  to be sending me the signed proposal tomorrow. She's on notice. So as soon as I get that proposal I'11 get it to her and  we'11 get it rolling.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone else  have any questions for Dave? Anything else,  Dave?  MR. LOPATKA: That's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Thank you.  Chief Dubernas, anything for the agenda for  the meeting coming up?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Just, I guess,  Apollo Drive with Ms. Gething. I'm not sure exactly - that's part of the housing development and they only park on one side    8  of the road. So I'm not really sure what she's looking for. She's looking to change it sO you can park the wrong way. I was there. There's plenty of room for cars to park on the right side of the road and  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  another car go by.  MR. LETTIERI: She was looking to  come down so in the wintertime, I guess, she was saying it's easier just to pull out.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Like they do for  George Street for the winter months. I think it's from November until April they're allowed to park the wrong way because of the  hill.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So they can  have better access.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: But their hill's  not really that bad there, but I understand there's a lot of elderly on that street.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: See what you  can do. Would that be a study coming from  you?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yeah, I'17 give you  all that.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: If you want to    9  bring that, then we can put that to the  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  floor.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Give you an update.  The sergeant's test was last Friday, the results were sent out to Chicago yesterday. I'm not sure when you guys want to sit down with the applicant : the candidates that are left on the full time. I know you guys like to meet them before you guys vote on  them.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I will sit  down as soon as possible.  MR. HOOVER: Let me know when. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: If you want to  set it up :  MR. NOTARI: Just personnel or all  of us?  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Bill, could it  be all of us?  MR. NOTARI: I'm just curious. ATTY. RINALDI: Yes.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'm fine with  it being all of us.  MR. FEBBO: I think it should be. CHIEF DUBERNAS: I'11 e-mail you,    10  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  get some times when you guys are available  in the day.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Like I said CHIEF DUBERNAS: The civil service  will have an official letter with the  candidates that are left.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else,  Chief?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: No, that's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have  any questions for the chief?  MR. NOTARI: The sergeant's test,  the results come back if someone or multiple people pass they automatically get the  rank  CHIEF DUBERNAS: No, that's up to  you. They go in order.  MR. NOTARI: Just like when we hire  new?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yes.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone else  have any questions for the chief?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: That will be  through the civil service.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Thanks, Chief.    11  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Bill Stull, assistant fire chief, anything for the meeting or the agenda coming up?  MR. STULL: Nothing.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have  any questions for Bill? Thanks, Bill.  Attorney Rinaldi?  ATTY. RINALDI: You're going to have  an ordinance to adopt the budget for the fiscal year. You have to pass the tax ordinance as well for 2023. I hope to have the SRO agreement possibly even approved by the school district to vote on for next  year.  Hopefully I have the deed back to  arrange a meeting for Angela Drive and that you can accept that as a borough street.  There's a subdivision map of the pit  property. You have to record that.  MR. HART: I have it in my office. ATTY. RINALDI: Hopefully we'11 have  those deeds sO we can execute and take care of that property. So those five items. That's all I have right now.  You have your comprehensive planning  meeting on :    12  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HART: December 22nd at 6:30. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Thursday?  MR. HART: Yes.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have  any questions for the solicitor?  MR. FEBBO: I do want to thank you  for getting all those letters out, Bill, to all the neighbors on Angela Drive. Everybody appreciated your effort to get  that.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone else  have any questions? Thank you, Bill.  Borough manager, Marylynn, anything  for the meeting, for the agenda?  MS. BARTOLETTI: I will have a  budget. That's all.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have  any questions for the borough manager?  MR. FEBBO: Crunch the numbers  again.  MR. HOOVER: Did you get the e-mail  Is sent about the compost raise for 2023? They said they wanted to up it. Get  security cameras there.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Was it the 2,500    13  MR. HOOVER: Yes. The compost  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  rates, picking up yard waste and taking it to Dupont, $2,500. Big change from last year. They're having problems with people going in there and dumping stuff.  MR. FEBBO: Looking at cameras.  Right?  MR. HOOVER: Yes. Just take some  money out of there for cameras.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone else  have any questions? At this time we'll go down the table and see if any council members have anything for the agenda tonight or for the meeting. Council Febbo?  MR. FEBBO: Question, Marylynn.  George Dunbar, I know he did all the decorations out here. I ran into him and he wanted to know if it was possible to get a check for him for the dugout. We agreed on  that about a month or sO ago.  MS. BARTOLETTI: That's going to be  done at the meeting in two weeks.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: That's going  to be on the agenda for the regular meeting.  MR. LETTIERI: I'm good.    14  MR. NOTARI: I have a couple things.  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  First for the agenda, I ask that we put on that council approve the naming of Marion Street, from Railroad Street to Grace Street, to be renamed Joe "G.I." Giglio Way. We haven't done it officially. I know we agreed to it. It was presented to Coach G.I. at their reunion over Thanksgiving. He was overwhelmed, he was humbled. The family could not be appreciative enough to the entire council. He was surprised, which I thank council for not saying anything. I know how we like to get excited about certain things, especially the good things. He had absolutely no idea, the family had no idea. So it was a nice tribute to him.  So I ask that that get put on our  agenda for official approval.  ATTY. RINALDI: Is that an official  name?  MR. NOTARI: Yes. Joe "G.I." Giglio  Way. The school district is in the process of beginning to change their stationary, things of that nature. So it will  officially become : the school address will    15  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  officially become number 22. So when that all happens, Chief, we'11 let you know about  that for comm center.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: A1l of Marion or  just the 300 block?  MR. NOTARI: I guess the 300 block  from Railroad to Grace.  I'd also like that we put an RFP on  the agenda for IT consulting, see if anybody would be interested to be our consultant and provider and help desk quicker than what we have now. It shouldn't fall on Marylynn or the chief or any of the people in the  building.  Lastly, not for the agenda, but just  to give some kudos to mostly everybody in this room for cooperation and support for Snow Forge. We had an unbelievable day Sunday. Council, myself and our committee thank you for the support you've given us throughout the year not only as council members but individuals in our community and business owners that sponsor and support our  fund-raising efforts.  Bill, thank you to the 01d Forge    16  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Fire Department for everything you do to  help us.  Mike, emergency management this  year, thank you. We were just talking the other night. We don't know how we would have done all that stuff without you.  Chief, you and your staff, you and  your police force, unbelievable effort and job helping us and being visible during the event, interacting with the kids and the adults to get to know everybody.  And last and certainly not least,  our DPW. Joe, you and your staff. You do whatever we ask, whatever we need, whatever we don't need, and it doesn't go unnoticed by the committee, and we make sure to tell everybody in the community that you're a big part of 01d Forge, the 01d Forge DPW, as anybody in town. Thank you. That's all I  have for tonight.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Councilman  Butler?  MR. BUTLER: I'm good. MS. AVVISATO: I have nothing.  Thank you.    17  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HOOVER: I'd just like to put on  the agenda to approve the paving list for 2023 sO I can get it to Dave. South Milwaukee Avenue from West Morton to Main  Street to Preate Winery.  Connell Street, Union Street to  Pagnotti Park.  Third Street, from Barber to Main  Street.  West Dunn Avenue, Main Street to  Church.  West Kohler Street, Amity Avenue to  Donny Drive.  Then there's going to be on there,  Dave, Apache Drive Intersection and Sunny  Drive.  I'd like to get that approved for  next meeting.  MR. NOTARI: Third Street, from  Barber to Main, is that Third Street from  Main to that corner?  MR. HOOVER: No. MR. LENCESKI: Powell.  MR. NOTARI: Lower Powell. You want  to go right and :    18  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HOOVER: Yes.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: So from Moranko's  building to Main Street.  MR. NOTARI: And to Barber. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: 01d Forge  Floor Center, all the way around.  MR. HOOVER: When does Pioneer  start?  MR. LOPATKA: They kind of got busy,  but I'11 follow up with them. He was supposed to be getting back to me.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else?  MR. HOOVER: Nothing.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: The only items  Ih have, council had an executive before our meeting this evening. We're going to have another one after our meeting now.  Also, Joe Lenceski would like to  meet with us afterwards for five minute and Chris Hart would like to meet with us after  for five minutes.  With that said I have no other  items, sO the chair is going to entertain a  motion to adjourn.  MR. NOTARI: I'11 make that motion.    19  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: By Councilman  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Notari.  MR. FEBBO: I'11 second it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Seconded by  Councilman Febbo. A11 in favor?  (Unanimous. Meeting adjourned.)    20  1 2 3 4 5  ERTIFICATE  I hereby certify that I attended the foregoing  proceeding, took stenographic notes of the same, that 6 the foregoing, consisting of 19 pages, is a true and 7 correct copy, done to the best of my ability, of same  8 and the whole thereof.  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Mark Wozniak  Official Court Reporter    1  $ $2,50010-13:3 '2111-3:9 1 1911-20:6 2 2,50011-1 12:25 202211)-1 1:9 2023131-11:10, 12:22,17:3 20th/-2:10 22/- 15:1 22nd/0-12:1 3 30012)-15:5, 15:6 31411-1:12 6 619-1:9 6:3019-12:1 6th/-2:4 7 7:1519-1:10 A abilitylo-20:7 able/-3:6 14:15 accept-11:16 access/-8:16 actuall-5:5 addressI1- 14:25 adjourni- 18:24 adjournedm-1 19:6 adopt/- -11:8 adults/-1 16:11 afterwards! 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