STANLYD COUNTY Wacen. Aa Lank Sarcenr. Stanly County Planning Board May 20, 2024 - Meeting Minutes  Call to Order Chair. Jay Eckman called the meeting to order on May 20, 2024 at 6:30 p.m. in the Gene McIntyre Stanly County Planning Board members attending David Underwood, Jay Eckman, Kevin Brickman, Michael  meeting room at 10001 N. First Street, Albemarle, North Carolina.  Williams, Joel Mauldin & Tim Fesperman Absent: TJ Smith (Excused)  Stanly County Planning Staff Attending: Bailey Cline, Planning Director  Chair Eckman asked if there were: any conflicts of interests with thei items to be heard due to financial orj personal  relationships. There were none There were none. Motion: Tim Fesperman Second: David Underwood Approved: 6-0  Chair Eckman asked ift there were any other additions to the agenda that thel board needed to consider.  Chair Eckman asked for ai motion to approve thej proposed agenda.  Chair Eckman asked for a motion to approve the minutes from February 12, 2024.  Motion: David Underwood Second: Kevin Brickman Approved: 6-0  Chair Eckman shared the firsti item on the agenda was SD: 24-01, ai request by Stanly Construction Services LLC for the approval ofa 24 lot major subdivision located on Millingport Road, Albemarle, NC: 28001 - Tax Record #  142384.  Chair Eckman asked for Planning Staff to share the details of the request.  Bailey Cline shared the following:  Mr. Chairman and members of the board, thei item that you) have before you tonight is SD 24-01. This isa request by Stanly Construction Services, LLC: for approval ofa 24-lot major subdivision on Millingport Road, Albemarle, NC: 28001 which contains 25 acres and is owned by Timothy Allen Dunn and Maria Kay Dunn. The property is zoned County, RA (Residential Agricultural): andi is currently vacant. Thej property was divided from al larger tract in September of2 2023. The surrounding area is also zoned County, RA and is mostly occupied by single family dwellings. Thej property does lie in a growth area per the 2040 Stanly County) Land Use Plan which allows for 40,000 square foot lots. Each lot willl have an individual septic system but will be served by public water. Stanly County Utilities Director, Duane Wingo indicated that the engineer for the project willl have to submit] plans for the waterline extension and meet alll NCDEQ1 permitting requirements.    Lot 24 will notl have a dwelling, it will be where the sign, mailbox cluster and retention pond willl be located. Thel largest proposed lot is 52,323 square feet and the smallest proposed loti is 40,035 square feet. Power will There will be one main entrance off of Millingport Road. NCDOT indicated that they can accept the hammerhead layout but itmust be large enough for thel largest fire truck tol have access and must acquire the necessary driveway permit for street connection tol Millingport Road ifther roadi is to be taken over by NCDOT int the future. Mini Airport Road will not be used for access at all! by the lotsi in this subdivision. The Stanly County Firel Marshal'sOffice: indicated that Fire Apparatus. Access must be provided to within 1501 feet ofall portions oft the exterior ofeach structure and flow tests will need tol be conducted to show adequate fire flow for any fire hydrants installed. A Traffic Impact Analysis was not required as it does not meet the 5001 trips per day threshold. This property is approximately 4.5 miles from the City of Albemarle city limits and is in the Millingport Elementary School district and thel North Stanly Middle School and High School districts. Construction Criteria Points for this project that Stanly Construction Services acquired in order to achieve the  bej provided by the City of Albemarle.  100j points or more: 45-1 Public Water in a Growth Area 10-1 Entrance Landscape and Sign 20- Storm Drainage 25- Curb and Guttering 10-] Homeowners Association 110- Total Points map of thej property.  Mrs. Cline displayed images of the layout design, the smallest lot, largest lot, Land Use Plan map and an aerial Iti is an estimated .66 ofar mile from the intersection ofl Millingport Road and Highway 73. The most recent traffic study that was donel by DOT was in 2022 and it was done a little further down Millingport Road buti it was the closest andi its stated 1100 cars per day. He would have to meet the required setbacks for each home which is 501 feet from the front, 401 feet from thel back and 251 feet on the sides.. As Is shared, he willl have public water and there will be septic systems and from my knowledge there has not been any perk test done on the property but Mr. Alleyi is here to answer any of those questions that you may have about that. Mrs. Cline "Duane Wingo with Utilities stated that it willl have toi meet all NCDEQ: permitting requirements  David Underwood "What did you say about DEQ?"  from his standpoint."  There were no further questions for staff.  Chair Eckman invited Mr. Alley with Stanly Construction Services to speak in favor ofl his request. Chair Eckman "Thel lots at thel back, there arei not going tol be any shared driveways there?" Mr. Alley "No sir. Each one will have a designated driveway off oft the newi road." David Underwood "Why did you choose al hammerhead instead ofac cul-de-sac?"  Travis Alley "How are you this evening?. Any questions?"  Mr. Alley "The last subdivision we did, thej previous Firel Marshall, had somei issues with the size and wanted toj push all new cul-de-sacs in thei future to either 90 or 961 feet. There are three designs that are allowed by the fire code and this is one oft the three. Mr. Roark, I met with him and he was happy with this design along with  Phil Burris as well."  2    Joel Mauldin' "For septic, what are you doing?"  Mr. Alley "II had at third party evaluation done on all 241 lots. Like we said, we are not using 24. 22 oft the lots will be conventional systems and we have one lot that may be a drip system or a reduction system. David Underwood "So, you chose the hammerhead as a way to not lose as muchi real estate, correct?" Mr. Alley "It doesn't truly affect the number ofl lots. Iti is just al huge surface area and ifyoul look at the design when you do the cul-de-sac, especially when you push it out to that diameter, the road frontage on thel lots gets extremely narrow. Sot this we thought would give al better option where it only truly affected four lots witha narrow: road frontage versus the other option which would have been about seven lots." Mr. Alley "No sir. That is where we arej planning onj putting one but there will not be one required." Mr. Alley "We met with DOT, we met with Mr. Wingo, wei met with City of Albemarle Public Utilities, we met with thel Firel Marshal's office sO wej personally reviewed everything with them just to make sure we had a good understanding of expectations and the only comments were the ones that Bailey read and Is since followed David Underwood "I noticed that L3 going over there tol lot 11 is much larger than L11. How wide is that3 3  Joel Mauldin "Ist there a retention pond required here?"  up with the Fire Marshall on those." versus L11 on lot 141 tol lot 11?"  Mr. Alley  L3 looks likei iti is 501 feet and L11 looks like iti is 67 feet." Chair Eckman asked if there were any further questions from the board.  There were none.  Chair Eckman stated there were some present that wanted to speak and he asked to please keep it to new  information and a three minute time limit. Larry Moore shared the following:  My name is Larry Moore and with my wife Donna we. livei in a single family dwelling on Millingport Road and also own 75 acres. Wel live near Mini Airport Road. Obviously I am not in favor of this development. From our perspective thej property does not conform to the general aesthetics ofar rural community and it certainly is out of the context of what the current County Board of Commissioners is striving to do by havinga a Rural Preservation Area and control development. Iti is my understanding that the developer, Stanly Construction Services as ofy yet at the close ofbusiness today has not filed with the utility department nor do wel have any impact studies on the current waterflow ofa gravity fed system coming out ofMillingport. But,I think the most important thing to consider here tonight is ifwe put 241 homes on thej plot ofl landi iti is serviced by the Millingport Volunteer Fire Department. Now please, my comments are in context. Iami in complete adoration and admiration oft the work that the Millingport Volunteer Fire Department does. However, the North Carolina response rating system which is part of thel North Carolina Department ofI Insurance scores the Millingport Volunteer Fire Department what is 9S. The score is from 1 to 10. 10 is no coverage and 1 would be Charlotte, North Carolina and their Firel Department. Thel Millingport Fire Department is a 9S, Richfieldi is a 9S, Ridgecrest is a 9S and New London is a 9S. Toj put thati in context, Oakboro is a 5 and) Norwood is a' 7. So, at the end of the day we are going to build 251 homes in a subdivision that today we know the Millingport Fire Department is not capable based on this response rating service issued by the North Carolina Department of Insurance to control a single family dwelling morel less control a single family dwellingi inside the context of 24 other homes. So tonight a yes votel basically puts 24 families, 24 homes and countless numbers oflives at  risk purely because there is not enough fire coverage in this particular area.  Bill Rigsbee shared the following:  3    Ilive on a straight line, probably less than ar mile from this development. Behind the development on the far right! hand side ofit.Iam not concerned about the aesthetics sincel II live on the top of Preston) Lane but Iam concerned after several months ago the County Commission passed ai resolution for 3 acres ofl land tol builda house. Ifthisi is allowed, what's next? You can go on upl Millingport Road another halfa mile across the road from where Biles intersects with it and there is another open field there that is being farmed right now. What is tol keep someone from buying that and developing it or elsewhere in the county? Where are the rules? Ifthe County Commision wanted tol limit building homes in the county to 3 acre lots, where does this fiti in? Are we going to get like Union County where iti is Helter Skelter? That is my concern withi it. Thank you.  Shane. Almond shared the following:  Good Afternoon, my name: is Shane. Almond and I live in thel Millingport community. Iti is pretty easy for a blueprint or a developer to hit 1001 but on that blueprint why don't wel have on there, is this going to affect our school system? Yes, iti is. Willi this affect our emergency: response? Yes, it will. Has there been any new infrastructure puti in since the 3 acre minimum rule was put inj place and II know this is noti in there but no it hasn't. Will this make our taxes increase? It will, when land evaluations go out, it will. Will this development affect our safety and security, yesi it will. It already floods off on Mini Airport Road, right below it, it floods. Especially with the amount ofwater and raini that we have had recently. Now that we are, going to have all of this roadwork, all of this road frontage, all of that water is going to goi right down intot the same area. Ifthis is approved then there should be at turning lane from the 73 side. When iti is dawn or dusk itis hard to see there anyways and with 24 additional! homes coming in youl have quadrupled the amount ofhomes from 73 and Millingport all the way to almost Ridgecrest. Is said that to say this, in thel Planning and Zoning Article 1 Section 101 under thej purpose: it says prevent the overcrowding ofl land, avoid undue congestion of population, facilitate adequate provisions oft transportation, water and sewer, schools, parks and other public requirements. So, ifany one of those is compromised and I can tell you one: right offt the bat, iti is schools. We don't have enough schools around. This willl be the fourth development: in that area. So, ifany one ofthem are compromised youl have an obligation as al board to deny it. Not just this one, but any of them. Thank you. Ilive off of Mini Airport Road and my concern is we. have four unfinished developments right around ai two mile radius oft thei intersection. They are not even halfway finished, none of them. We don't know how many have been sold. There is ai new development and iti is al halfa a mile from the one in front oft the Fire Department already. So that isj just making that intersection more congested. We don't know what the future impact willl be once they finish those. Iknow you did al DOT study from 2022 but that does noti include the other four developments being done sO we don't know how that is going to affect it. We don't know how these other four developments are going to affect thel Fire Department. Ithink we should at least wait before these developments are: finished before we approve another one. We can always not approve this and approve it later. We can't unapprove it once iti is done. We don't have anything to losel by waiting. Iknow: itj probably meets all the criteria but what if everybody wanted to build in a growth area? You can't approve all oft them, you have to stop somewhere. Another thing, on the map: it was showing thati it was in a growth area but everything around ity was green. So when they did it, it was sticking out. Why didn't they just make it even? Why is one ina  Mikel Freeman shared the following:  growth area and not the other. It think safety should take priority.  Kristy Gallusha shared thei following:  Hello, sol am actually a teacher. Not with Stanly County but as a teacher coming from a different county, Ido live on Mini Airport Road. Idol know that Millingport Elementary has approximately 184 students. With the current developments that are already being built and with this one you have about approximately 200 students ifa family has 21 kids per family, roughly. Isl Millingport Elementary going to be able tol hold an additional 200 students or are they going tol have tol build on to the school? You are going tol have to take that into account. Are they going tol be able to build another school to accommodate those students? That is something that we are having to deal with at the school that Ia am at soIK know how that affects the students at my school and how  4    it affects the school system just from the developments that they are building around us. So, you need to take that into consideration, too. How is Millingport Elementary going tol be able to withstand thei influx of  students?  Jason Carriker shared the following:  Myt thing with this isi itisar rural area. Farmland, people do al lot of farming. They are taking 25 acres from someone with perfectly good farmland and essentially making what I would consider at trailer park. You are packing al bunch ofp people on top of each other andi iti is going to cause issues at some point. Fire Department, there is not a whole lot of police presence out there and ifs something happens in between two oft these houses and the third one goes down, to me it is areal bigs safety thing because we do have the other housing developments. Idon'tknow of any statistics on ifanything has happened at thosel but to me iti is ai really bad  idea in general. Iknow that is my opinion but that is all Ihave to say.  Zach Herrin shared the following:  Iam probably not going to say anything that has not already been said, Iv would just like to reiterate the fact that the school systems are already overcrowded. Ifyou look at thej plot ofland here you at any point can tell that the school is not going tol be able tol handle thei influx, that has already been stated. Obviously, the fire and safety is another concern also. I know therel havel been studies done, car counts and things but until you live on the road and you see actually how much traffic passes by on a daily basis you really don't have an idea and itis alot. The four way stop, Ithink it works to an extent but youl know those studies are old now. Idon't think we are, going tol be able to accommodate all of that. Another thing, I do care about aesthetics. Me and my family livei in Millingport because iti is as small, local, tight knit community and you see these housing developments going up everywhere and you don't get that small town feel from housing developments. Iti is a quality ofl life issue, iti really is. Ihave my wholel life invested in Stanly County. I went tol Ridgecrest, Iwent to West Stanly, spent some time at Stanly Community College and youl know I don't want tol leave but every timel Iseea development pop up somewhere Ido consider leaving. Just because the point ofas small town is to: remain a small town andt thisi is a rural community. I think that gentleman brought up a good point, this is land that could be used for aj purpose andi instead we are going to dump houses on top ofi it and itj just doesn't make a whole lot  of sense toi me.  Alicia Herrin shared thei following:  Iappreciate everything that has already been said. Ido want to come at it and fully support what has been said against the development. Ithink everyone has made very valid points and then Iv would like to share ifyou allow me to from thes standpoint of a stay at home wife, mom and business owner. We are there all day. So we do see the traffic and the aesthetics do matter as well. I was born in Millingport and have spent the majority of my 32 years right there and talking about just the quality oflife or the whole american dream and you drive by the house that we currently have and that is our dream home and the home that we wanted and the Lord was very gracious to allow us tol have that home. Iam very thankful for our neighbors and that small feel, that rural area. Iappreciate what Millingport stands for, Iappreciate that Stanly County has such a strong agricultural presence and this is not. I don't know how familiar you are with Millingport but this is not what it was. 32 years ago and trulyl I dont think this is what any of the residents outside of those whol have invested ins some of these homes that havel been developed, truly want. Iwould imagine, I don'th have thes statistics but If feel like the occupants of most of these new developments are from outside of Stanly County or not native to Millingport because this is truly not what I would have ever imagined wouldi take place in Millingport and I don't think iti is what anyone would really want but Ik know that I am just one person. Thank you for your time.  Erin Stormat shared thei following:  Ilive on the end ofl Millingport Road at Fivel Point Road. Ic own a small farm, Storms Haven Farm andi iti is actually what is pictured on the wall behind you. Iam so lucky to be able to livei in this community. Igrew up  5    ina a community that looked just like this and what drew me to wantt to livei in Stanly County was its more rural aspects. I lovei it, when I first moved here Ijust drove around and cried because I thought that it was sO beautiful because ofa all thel big wide open fields. Icould not do what Ido anywhere else. Iam sO centrally located fori my! business and what] I do, especially being close toi really great equestrian venues. Ic own a 23 acre farm and honestly thinking that this could be built oni my farm is my worst nightmare. I work so hard,Iam a single person that lives alone andl Iwork hard. Likel Isaid, I love the land here and how itl looks. Imoved here because of the rurality ofit.I Ican't imagine it being any different. Ia am terrified that this is going tol become the norm: for our area becausei it was the norm where Iu used to live. Wherel Iused tol live theyj just built like crazy, thei infrastructure could notl handle it and it was a nightmare to livei in. People eventually get pushed out because they don't want tol live inp places like this, especially when you are used tol living in a more: rural area. I amj just terrified that my taxes are going to go up and Ia am not going tol be able to afford where I live anymore. Other than that, Id don't have anywhere else to go becausel honestly Inever would have thought thati in Stanly County we would have to worry about development. Yeai inl Mecklenburg, Cabarrus or Union but never in Stanly County. I did not think that would be al big problem. Iti is kind of scary and hopefully that does not become an issue ini my lifetime and while Ia am here Iwill certainly speak up against it.  Alvin Burleson shared the following:  Iti is going tol be at trailer park. I was here two years agol before the county and they were wanting tol builda complex beside: me. Told them that it would not perk but they madei itj perk and now they are having trouble with the septic tanks but they saved me and dropped it down to 16i instead of241 houses. You have all oft that traffic and thel houses are just thrown up and iti is farmland. The cul-de-sac, they run it right over on my land, it used tol be: farmland and now they can't get it farmed because of development. So, hope you aren't wasting  your time.  Renee Page shared the following:  Ihavel been livingi in Millingport for 25 years now. My mom and dad moved on Mini Airport Road and have lived there for roughly 25 years. Being that I1 live and commute and ami in that area sO much, I can answer some oft these questions. My son went to Millingport, a wonderful school. He graduated and] Iam glad. Because, Millingport Elementary has already moved fifth graders tol North Stanly Middle School. They have no business beingi in that middle school. Not only that but Ic can tell youi from listening to officers in this area, North Stanly High School and Middle School byt their standards are now the worst schools int the county because they cannot get it under control. The morel kids and families and the more people you let come to Millingport, you are going to addt to that problem. They already can't handle just Kindergarten through fifth grade there, theyl have noi room. So, where are our kids going to go? II have a great nephew that] IK know will be going to Millingport but how is that going to affect himi in five years? Idon't know what y'all expect. My parents live on. Mini Airport Road, and my son is moving in there too. This isj justi recent, my son is remodeling al house behind my parents house and hel had to go through this whole process of getting permits and everything else and they made sure that the fact that my dad has four and al half acres, you cannot put more than two houses on there. But now y'all are going to let 20 something houses go across from! Mini Airport Road? When my son just wanted toj put al house behind my dads house on Mini Airport but y'all are going to let 251 houses bel built right there? Y'all set forth the rule and y'all just push the rule tot the side, that is whati is wrong. You make thei rule then you need to enforce thei rule. Not somebody coming in andj paying all of these taxes, you: are going toi raise the taxes in! Millingport like crazy. That is noti right to thej people that have lived there 20, 30, 40 years. Thej people who are trying tol hang on to their homes and their farms. But this development, ifthisi is truly what y'all want, you are going to lose al lot oftrust in this county, especially  Millingport.  Michael Williams' "Wel haven't voted oni it yet."  Tim Fesperman "We don't make the rules. We are not the County Commissioners."    Renee Page" "Do yall not vote on things?" Tim Fesperman "We do but we don't make the rules."  Renee Page "Okay, people in this county make the rules, do they not?. And that includes everyone that is here Joel Mauldin "We voted on this. It was voted on, the growth area and the rural area. We are talking about this Renee Page "That is what I mean. 241 houses right there in Millingport after there have already been 41 more developments puti in. What are our schools and kids going to do? They are suffering. That is exactly what they  because we vote on things. But, since the rule was made, why not enforce it?"  right here. This is in a growth area."  are doing."  Donna Moore shared the following:  Itl has come toi mya attention that thisi is designated as a growth area but my understanding was that this was designated as a growth area years ago when they were trying to get development: in some oft these areas sO there would bes some tax base to come in and support thes schools. Well,Ithink that shipl has sailed. Look around, there are developments everywhere that filter into Millingport. My understanding after speaking to some County Commissioners was that this should not have been and that this was an oversight in thej plan that was approved back in September. It might! be in a growth areal but maybe we: should use some common sense and all oft that green around it, itl has kind of been backdoored in and Ijust ask that we use al little common  sense tonight and maybe this is not the best use: for this land."  Mitchell Cook shared thei following:  We appeared before the County Commissioners about the last project that came in on Nelson Mountain Road. They havel half acre lots. The County Commissioners voted toj pass that thel lots size would be one lot size and here we are going andj putting these housing developments in here. Ifwe are not going to enforce the law then it will bel like New York City. Iti is stated that we. have these lots sizes and we need to stick to that. Ia am against it,Iwant to see our residential areas stay like they are. Wel have messed up alot of communities already. Schools and everything else is messed up and they don't have the money. This doesn't have anything to do with this but they told us when they voted the water in, we would have all the school money we needed. Guess where it is?1 Ihave not seen it. Now they say the only way to get any money out ofiti is tol build ai new school. We need to stop and think about this thing and weigh on our hearts and minds, is this the right way to go and is this the way that we want our community to be?] Id don't want tol be like Charlotte, that is why Imoved here.I I don't want any homes built on top oft me and wei need to gol back and reconsider what the County Commissioners have put inj place for us to gol by and you guys have the guideline to go by and Ij just ask for  you to gol by that. There was none. plan.  Chair Eckamn asked if there was anyone else wishing to speak.  Chair Eckman asked if any board members would like to make any suggestions concerning the subdivision David Underwood "I am still concerned over thel hammerhead. Bailey, is there aj problem with lot 11 being Mrs. Cline "No, the requirement of the ordinance ist that there is at least 35 feet ofi road frontage andi iti meets  back in the corner like that andl having road access?"  that requirement."  David Underwood "He said thati it was 63 feet I think." Mrs. Cline "It shows L3 as 50: feet which is lot 11."  7    Chair Eckman "Refresh me, what is the minimum lot size?" the minimum lot size is 30,000 square feet." Tim] Fesperman "Is there water on Millingport Road?" Mrs. Cline' "Yes, water does run byi it."  Mrs. Cline "Iti is 40,000 square feet where either water or sewer is provided. Soi if one utility service is provided iti is 40,000: square feeti ifiti is in a growth area. Ifboth utility services would have been provided then  Chair Eckman "Does thel board have any suggestions on the design? Let's make ai motion and we can Motion: Michael Williams made a motion to deny SD 24-01 to deny thel Millingport Road Subdivision request by Stanly Construction Services LLC because the plan does not meet the requirements of the Mr. Williams "II know iti is technically in a growth area but there is al lot of concerns. One you have gota major highway at .661 miles away andt the state put in ai four way stop there. Fire andj police is a concern.  discuss."  Stanly County Subdivision Ordinance.  Millingport Elementary school is a concern." Second: Tim Fesperman  Chair Eckman shared that they could now discuss  Michael Williams "Mr. Chairman like I was saying, technically iti is in a growth area but likel Isaid I think my problem is just thet timing. Mainly because youl have three or four other developments going upi in that area and Ithink along with the other things that I mentioned iti is just al bad timing issue too." Joel Mauldin "The subdivisions going upi in the area, do wel have any idea on the status oft those?" Mr. Alley "Canl Iclarify that for you?Ibelievet the four developments that are being discussed are Nelson Mountain, Hatley Farm Road and the one across from the Fire Department. Nelson Mountain fromi my Mrs. Cline "Yes, the one on Nelson Mountain started out with 24 homes but all the sites did not perk andI I believe thei number of sites were adjusted down to 16. The one across from] Millingport Firel Department I Mrs. Cline "Maybe, IK know there is some trouble on thel back lots sO right now those are not built on." Mr Alley "The one on Hatley Farm right now has 40 total with 22 oft those being sold and moved into. 6 are  understanding is done except for two lots. Ithink there were 241 homes..."  believe is 161 lots."  Mr. Alley "That got adjusted down to 12 did itnot?"  under contract and that development will be done prior to this one: starting." Joel Maulin "So ift this one is approved we are looking at close to 1001 homes?"  Mr. Alley "Right."  David Underwood "What would be thej price on these?"  Mr. Alley" "Mid 3's. That is what wel have been seeing as an average this past year." David Underwood "Whati is the average oft the ones on Hatley Farm?" Joel Mauldin "Sol basically they are considered starter homes?"  Mr. Alley "The average therei is about 350."  Mr. Alley "No, It think your entry level is still in the 200's. Most of our buyers have not been first time  buyers."  8    Joel Mauldin "Just curious, 2,500 square feet?" Mr. Alley "No, thei majority of them are less than 2,000".  Chair Eckman "Majority of what Ib have seen int the county is around 1,500." David Underwood "Is that your development on Hatley Farm: road?"  Mr. Alley "Yes sir." someone else do that?" Mr. Alley "We do."  David Underwood "The people that are buying these homes, are you handling the sale or are you having  David Underwood "Where are those people coming from?" Mr. Alley "Iti is kind ofa smorgasbord."  David Underwood "Are people trading up for Stanly County or do you have people coming in from out of Mr. Alley" "Majority of the people are downsizing. Sol I mean we have definitely had al handful of out ofs state people and I would say ai majority of thej people that are coming here are looking for lower taxes."  state?"  David Underwood "You asked for that one. " Mr. Alley I amj just telling you what they tell me."  Mr. Alley "Youj just! had some questions about the status of development sol I was just trying toj provide some insight. Iwould encourage you to reach out to Phill Burris and Mr. Roark because I went and met with the both of them to understand what their concerns were. Ift there is a question about thel hammerhead then I will be more than happy to look at that as a cul-de-sac option and we can look ati it together. That is just what was David Underwood' "I don't want toi make that something in the county that we get known for. Ifwes start doing Joel Mauldin' "II have heard some concerns about water pressure. Has there been any studies on that?" Mr. Alley "Phils group has flow rates, like Is said I went and met with Mr. Wingo and hel had looked at the flows and based upon thej proximity to the water towerIt think hel has no concerns on that. I understand the frustration of the room and the challenge youl have to balance everything but growth is coming to Stanly County. You can have your box builders and your for rent builders. Ify you just look at what is across from Millingport Fire Department, they are already renting. That is one thing that we don't do." Mr. Alley No, understand' but Iam saying the build to rent: model are the ones that are: renting before they even sell. 16 encourage you all to ride through that development on Hatley Farm Road and make up: your mind Timl Fesperman "Mr. Chairman, I amj just concerned about the quality of the area. Iknow that we have kind ofas snapshot here but this is just alll land mostly and Ithink that development with proper. harmony or support or some type of consensus from the people that live around itis most important so thati is one ofmy main concerns.. As far as a growth area, you can look at the map and see where that sticks out. Thatj just doesn't  proposed by the fire department as the alternative." that all the time. Iknow iti is a problem for you guys, the developer." Mr. Alley "Thati is something that we can look at."  David Underwood "Once you sell it, iti is like everything else."  based upon that."  make sense.  Chair Eckman "Is there any more discussion?"  9    Chair Eckman' "I see your concerns but at the same token you are in a growth areat too. Anywhere that one wants to come there willl bet the same concerns whether iti is in a growth area or not. Do you want them packed  together more or do you want them spread out more?" David Underwood "Andi it met the requirements." Chair Eckman "It has met the requirements based on zoning." Chair Eckman "Could this be tabled, Bailey?" David Underwood "Well youl have ai motion on the floor."  Chair Eckman "Can thei item be tabled for more information or does the motion) have tol be retracted first?" Mrs. Cline "Yes, your motion would have to be retracted and ai new motion would have tol be made." Chair) Eckman' "There is ai motion to deny SD 24-01, soi ify you vote ini favor oft the motion you are voting to  deny. Ifyous vote against the motion, you are voting in favor oft the subdivision."  Vote: 5-1  The motion to deny passed. Mrs. Cline "No."  Chair) Eckman' "Does this still go to the commissioners, Bailey?"  Chair Eckman stated if there wasi no further business he would entertain ai motion to adjourn.  Motion: David Underwood Second: Tim Fesperman Vote: 6-0 Time: 7:29PM  Tua hdud vice,char David Underwood  ChatryFAKPENT SHy  Cu  10