OLD FORGE BOROUGH COUNCIL OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA  IN RE: COUNCIL MEETING  NOVEMBER 15, 2022 7:00 p.m. 310 SOUTH MAIN STREET OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA  APPEARANCES: RICK NOTARI JIM HOOVER ANDY BUTLER MIKE LETTIERI  RUSSELL RINALDI, PRESIDENT  DAVID LOPATKA, BOROUGH ENGINEER BILL STULL, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF WILLIAM RINALDI, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR  CHRISTOPHER HART, ZONING/CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER  MOLLIE GILL, RPR COURT REPORTER    2  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Good evening,  ladies and gentlemen. I'd like to call the meeting to order with the Pledge of  Allegiance, please.  (Pledge of Allegiance.)  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Roll call,  please, Bill.  ATTY. RINALDI: Councilwoman  Avvisato. Absent.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Here.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Febbo. Absent. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover.  MR HOOVER: Here.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Present. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Present. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Here.  Thanks, Bill.  Once again, ladies and gentlemen,  welcome to the regular meeting in the 01d Forge Borough. Tonight is Tuesday, November 15, 2022. The purpose of the meeting is to    3  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  go through our agenda and we'17 hear from our department heads. We'11 hear from our solicitor, our council. There's a public sign-in sheet. If anyone from the public would like to sign in, we'11 give you a few minutes at the end of the meeting. The  chief has it.  With that said, we're going to go  through a few of our nousekeeping motions. First motion would be motion to approve the  minutes from the prior meeting.  MR. NOTARI: I'11 make that motion,  Mr. Chairman.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  Floor by Councilman Notari.  MR. LETTIERI: I'17 second it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by  Councilman Lettieri. On the question. Public input. Roll call, please.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler.  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover.  MR HOOVER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes.    4  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Second item is motion to approve  treasurer's report. Please note this does  not include the sewer accounts.  MR. NOTARI: I'17 make that motion,  Mr. Chairman.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  floor by Councilman Notari.  MR. BUTLER: I'11 second it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by  Councilman Butler.  On the question. Public input.  Ro1l call, please.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler.  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover.  MR HOOVER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi.    5  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Third item is motion to approve  invoices for payment. Once again, please note this does include the sewer accounts.  MR. NOTARI: I'11 make that motion,  Mr. Chairman.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  floor by Councilman Notari.  MR. HOOVER: I'11 second. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by  Councilman Hoover.  On the question. Public input.  Roll call, please.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler.  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover.  MR HOOVER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Fourth item is motion to approve  sewer department financial report.    6  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. - LETTIERI: I'17 make that  motion, Mr. Chairman.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  floor by Councilman Lettieri.  MR. NOTARI: I'11 second. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by  Councilman Notari.  On the question. Public input.  Roll call, please.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler.  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover.  MR HOOVER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Fifth item is motion to approve  sewer department invoices for payment.  MR. HOOVER: I'11 make that motion. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  floor by Councilman Hoover.  MR. BUTLER: I'17 second the motion.    7  1 2 3 4 5 0 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by  Councilman Butler.  On the question. Public input.  Roll call, please.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover.  MR HOOVER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes.  Moving to our first department head,  Joseph Lenceski, DPW manager. We have Joe's  report.  Anybody have any questions for Joe  or, Joe, do you have anything to add?  MR. LENCESKI: No.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone have  any questions for Joe?  MR. HOOVER: Joe, I just want to  thank you and Brian Ravaioli and anybody else that had anything to do with the field    8  1 2 3 4 5  down there. Been down there a couple times with that sod that you put down on  Lackawanna Stadium again, and you did a good job. Thank you. You guys put a lot of time in that. The lights are on. You're working in the dark. And I really appreciate that.  7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  You did a great job.  MR. LENCESKI: Thank you.  MR. NOTARI: I would just like to  mention that I was down there last week too with Joe, and him and Brian Ravaioli were both down there, and they mentioned that replacing the backstop may be easier than what we first anticipated. They both felt -- I don't want to speak for you, Joe - but Brian felt that : and I thought Joe agreed that we could just put new fencing up, that the posts are in good condition, and that we wouldn't need to replace the posts. So it will probably cost us a lot less to fix that backside. So I think Joe is working on that, and we'11 see how that  goes.  MR. LETTIERI: Joe, do they use any  sod up at the fill at Pagnotti's? Did they    9  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  fix that or no?  MR. LENCESKI: No.  MR. LETTIERI: They're not going to? MR. LENCESKI: Well, just the  timeframe, we had a small window to grab the sod, and it wasn't easy. We actually had to harvest it from the field. He came with a sod cutter, and he cut strips. We had to shovel it, pick it up, and then put it on  the trucks.  MR. LETTIERI: I got you. Because I  know- we talked about the field up there also  as well. A17 right.  MR. LENCESKI: You know, they had  the opportunity. They just didn't have the  volunteers.  MR. LETTIERI: Just didn't have it. MR. NOTARI: Ready for winter? MR. LENCESKI: Yes. I had a new box  put on the 2010 F-550.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: The salt box. MR. NOTARI: The actual box itself. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Oh, the whole  box.  MR. LENCESKI: Because it was    10  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  rotting away. And I serviced the plow, put a new blade on it, and I picked it up today. The truck that I ordered in August of 2021 is on the way on its way to the dealer. So we should have that shortly also. I've also I'11 been up to Powell's and have that  fitted up.  MR. NOTARI: Sounds good.  MR. HOOVER: Joe sent me this, the  Apache Drive thing that we have to do. Apache Drive in front of Strazik's. He gave me a price from Earthworks for $12,000.  That's with a 24-inch pipe.  Do we need a 24-inch pipe there,  Dave? The amount of water that's going to  go in that pipe?  MR. LOPATKA: I mean, it gets that  whole road. I mean, we were matching what was coming in from the other pipe.  MR. HOOVER: Is that what's there? MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. I mean, you  could probably get away with an 18-inch pipe. I wouldn't go less than that.  MR. HOOVER: Well, he gave me two  estimates. He gave me one for a 24-inch    11  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  pipe for $12,000. Now, that's not going to cut it because we're gonna have to bid.  MR. LOPATKA: No, $12,000. It's  under 19.5.  MR. HOOVER: Then he gave me a price  of half that, which is a 12. I mean, I don't have a problem with 24 : $12,000 having them do this. Anybody else? Joe got  me the price from Earthworks.  MR. LOPATKA: That includes : what  the inlet?  MR. HOOVER: It includes placement  of the PULS power supply and install one catch basin frame grate 55 feet of 24 inch plastic pipe in according to the plan back-fill compact with 2A sub-base. Patch roadway to final restoration -- patch roadway but no final restoration is included. And I said, we'11 take care of that intersection with our new paving  program.  MR. LOPATKA: Yep. No, I mean,  that's a good price. You're not getting  those when you're bidding.  MR. HOOVER: And the question is, is    12  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  do you think we need to do it? That's the  question.  MR. LOPATKA: Do we : do we need  the 8 to 24 is what you said?  MR. HOOVER: No. I mean, we're going  to build a 24-inch pipe.  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah.  MR. HOOVER: We're going to do that.  But do we need to do the project? That's  what I mean.  MR. LOPATKA: I mean, I was just  over there. I guess Chris was over there. I I mean, some water was down. I C don't know  how much.  MR. NOTARI: Well, I think if it  helps alleviate the stormwater over there. I - understand your concerns, and I have those same concerns, but I think at this point, if there's any water going over her driveway,  that we could prevent that.  MR. HOOVER: I mean, I think that,  you know, God forbid we do get a big storm and something happens on the inside, and she ends up with two feet of water in front of her garage, it's going to be our    13  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  responsibility.  MR. NOTARI: Yeah. So we need to :  do we need to approve that at a meeting?  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, you need to  approve that at a meeting. Right?  ATTY. RINALDI: You can do a motion  directing to follow through on that bid.  MR. HOOVER: A11 right. We'11 do  that. That's for Apache Drive stormwater  pipe.  MR. LOPATKA: What was that number?  12?  MR. HOOVER: 12,000 even. Gave it  to me on November 8th.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else,  Councilman Hoover?  MR. HOOVER: No, that's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody else  have any questions for Joe?  MR. - NOTARI: One thing I just read  in the report. Sunny Drive. You met with PA Water to discuss paving. So my guess is they're going to dig it up, replace the water main, and then pave it.  MR. LENCESKI: They are already    14  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  have.  MR. NOTARI: They already have? MR. LENCESKI: No, they haven't  paved it. They did the line work.  MR. NOTARI: So this meeting is to  discuss when it's getting paved.  MR. LOPATKA: It was : the meeting  was to discuss when :  MR. HOOVER: There's no basin. MR. LOPATKA: When they were doing  the work, they said there's no base in the road. It's just : it's just a layer of pavement. So they are like, if we mill that, are we just putting down an inch and a half of pavement that's probably not going to stand up for very long? So that was kind  of the discussion that we had.  And sO the water company is required  to pay Leeward for the milling and the overlay, but the thought was, is do we need to put some base under there and something a little bit more for pavement. Take the money that the water company was going to pay them to offset some of the cost, and then we would have to pay for the rest.    15  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HOOVER: Now, the trench  restoration from the Borough from the water company to the contractor is going to cost  we're going to pay Leeward $30,000 for the trench restoration based on 6 or 7 feet wide. In the overlay of the road, 30,000  square feet.  MR. LOPATKA: Was there a trench  restoration right to the top? Were they  putting asphalt?  MR. HOOVER: Usually it's : usually  right to the top, and then they usually  MR. LOPATKA: And then they mill. MR. HOOVER: And then they mill it  curb to curb and overlay it that way.  MR. LOPATKA: Right.  MR. HOOVER: But this, to do the  trench restoration on the road, trench restoration on the trenches was about $30,000. To overlay the road is about $35,000. So I was up there today, and I told them sO for $65,000 -- you'11 give us $65,000 to the Borough, and then we'11 take care of the rest of road, do what we have to do to the road, whether we put three inches    16  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  in there or decide what we want to do. They'11 give us a check for 65,000.  MR. LOPATKA: They're going to pay  65,000.  MR. HOOVER: They're going to pay  for a permanent restoration in the trench  and the overlay.  MR. LOPATKA: So they didn't do the  permit restoration of the trench.  MR. HOOVER: They don't do nothing.  They put some cold patch in. I mean, do you want them to do restoration on the trench?  MR. LOPATKA: Well, I mean, I  thought that they would have restored the  trench at least up to the top.  MR. HOOVER: We can have them do  that. Then we're only going to get the cost  of the overlay.  MR. LOPATKA: Right. I mean,  basically, it would have been the mill in the overlay to give up the money for it. I would prefer if they pay for the trench, and  had the trench done :  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, but the road is  about 25 to 30 feet wide.    17  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. LOPATKA: That's wide.  MR. HOOVER: And there's no basin in  either road. So you're going to dig the trench up. You're going to put four or five inches of BCBC in the trench, and the rest of the roads not going to have nothing in it, and we're not going to put nothing in  it? I mean :  MR. LOPATKA: No, I think you have  to.  MR. HOOVER: Well, we have to.  That's what I mean. So the money that we're getting from the water company, I just think that we should just go in and see if we could just overlay it with three inches of  something.  MR. LOPATKA: I would use like a 19  mil.  MR. HOOVER: A 19 millimeter. MR. LOPATKA: Yeah.  MR. HOOVER: And then overlay the  road.  MR. LOPATKA: Well, yeah, right over  the top.  MR. HOOVER: Rather than do permit    18  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  restoration on the trench.  MR. LOPATKA: It would make sense.  And I don't think you want to go ripping it up because then you have to put basin.  MR. HOOVER: And there's also a  problem with some PP&L lines that are right,  like three inches from the pave.  MR. LOPATKA: Were they PP&L? MR. HOOVER: Cable TV or something. MR. LOPATKA: Communication lines.  They're only three inches below the pave.  So if you :  MR. HOOVER: If you take the trench  out, you're gonna hit every one of them.  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah.  MR. HOOVER: I just think, I mean, I  don't know how you guys feel, but rather than doing four or five inches on the trench, I think we should put three inches on the road and then overlay the road. The only traffic that we get up there is the local traffic. It's not that it's a busy street. It's a dead-end street.  MR. LOPATKA: It's the people that  live there, yeah.    19  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HOOVER: That's the only problem  you're going have is the transition of the  driveways.  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah.  MR. HOOVER: We'11 have to worry  about that. We have to cut each driveway back a little bit. Transition them in.  MR. NOTARI: So is the anticipation  then that we will add that to our paving  project next year?  MR. HOOVER: We can.  MR.-L LOPATKA: I mean, I would think  that's the best bet. That's where you're going to get the best bang for your buck. You're going to have somebody come in and do a paving project, and you're going to get better numbers. I don't know if you can add  that on.  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, we can. We can  add that on to it.  MR. LOPATKA: Will they release that  money to you guys as long as :  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, all we have to do  is invoice them. Send them a bill.  MR. LOPATKA: How does that work    20  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  with Leeward, though?  MR. HOOVER: Leeward washes their  hands. Leeward has nothing do with it.  MR. LOPATKA: A11 right.  MR. HOOVER: MaryLynn could just  invoice them $65,000 for the overlay and the restoration of Sunny Drive, send us the check, and we could put that towards the paving program, and we could pay the difference of the Sunny Drive.  MR. NOTARI: We just have to make  sure that that money does go toward Sunny Drive. When we come up with our paving project for next year, and Sunny Drive is on the list, Sunny Drive can't get x'd.  MR. HOOVER: No.  MR. LOPATKA: Sunny Drive and Apache  Drive. If we're going to do Apache the same way. You're going to do that intersection  for Apache.  MR. HOOVER: Yeah.  MR. LOPATKA: And you're going to  have to make sure both of them are getting  done.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Bill, make    21  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  sure we get it ready that they're going to  give us the 65,000.  ATTY. RINALDI: I was going to say,  are you going to get the check? Do you have to sign off with -- who are they signed off  with? Telecommunication?  MR. HOOVER: Water company signed  off with Leeward. Leeward will be out of it, and then we just send them a bill. And we'11 have to take responsibility for the road, and the water company won't be responsible. So that's when we get the  check.  MR. LOPATKA: Basically it's cutting  them out of their responsibility.  ATTY. RINALDI: As long as you get  the check from Telecommunications. Right? Or are they going to get paid from  Telecommunications and then they are sending  you a check?  MR. LOPATKA: No, this is only for  the water line.  MR. HOOVER: The water company. MR. LOPATKA: Telecommunication line  is just below the pave.    22  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  ATTY. RINALDI: So the water company  is writing the check?  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, the water company  is writing the check.  ATTY. RINALDI: So they need your  permanent waiver fees, and when they do the  waiver, get the check.  MR. HOOVER: I talked them into it  today.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else  for Joe?  Thank you, Joe.  Christopher Hart, zoning code  enforcement officer. We have his report.  Chris, anything to add?  MR. HART: No, nothing.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Does anybody  have any questions for Chris?  MR. BUTLER: Chris, did the planning  commission have the meeting on that shed?  MR. HART: No. Two of the members  were out of town. It's a zoning, but they did agree that they would do it -- it's like the first or second week of December. So everybody is around, but I only have five    23  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  members right now on the board, and two of  them are out of town, so.  MR. BUTLER: Does anybody go to that  meeting?  MR. HART: It was canceled. The  meeting had to get canceled.  MR. BUTLER: But I mean, when they  have a meeting. I mean, can I go to that  meeting?  MR. HART: Yeah, it's open to the  public. It will be advertised and posted around, and you guys will have the advertisement for it as well. But yeah, they are thinking first or second week of December, and they'11 get it out of the way.  MR. HOOVER: Just send us an email  when these things are. Sometimes I would  like to go to zoning.  MR. HART: So now tomorrow night  there's the guys coming in for the rezoning. MaryLynn told me it got moved to tomorrow.  ATTY. RINALDI: Oh, I have it as the  17th.  MR. HART: So did I, but she told me  tomorrow. I'17 double check with her first    24  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  thing in the morning. I'11 send a text to  all of you.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Double check.  have Thursday the 17th at 7:00 p.m.  MR. HART: I have Thursday as well,  but she told me today, sO I don't know if  you called.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: 6:30 to 8:00. MR. HART: 6:30 to 8:00. I'11 send  you guys a text tomorrow, send a group text to everybody, and confirm the time and date. She just told me just before. So I'11-let you guys know. But other than that, I don't  have any other meetings.  The only other thing I have coming  up, the planning commission, Glenn Gress and his team, they are going to come to the planning commission meeting that I'm going have in December to present their project up on Keyser Avenue for that 32 acre property I was telling you guys about. He wants to bring a cold storage refrigeration company here. He is not moving. He just got a lot bigger. This will be his fifth location, and he wants to put his fifth location in    25  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  01d Forge.  MR. LOPATKA: He didn't submit  plans, did he?  MR. HART: No, not yet. They are in  the process of purchasing the property. BUT they will be at the planning commission meeting if any of you guys want to attend. I mean, that would be probably the best bet. This way all answers could be : or all  questions could be asked.  MR. NOTARI: Can we notify the  residents on Amity Avenue that : when he is  scheduled to come to planning.  MR. HART: Yes.  MR. NOTARI: Just sO we're aware and  we make sure -- I'm sure we'11 all have an opinion, but make sure that everything is  done the right way.  MR. HART: Yeah.  ATTY. RINALDI: There will be   after the process, there will be a public hearing with you guys and all that.  MR. HART: There's going to be some  rezoning and stuff too sO it will be out to  the public.    26  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HOOVER: December what? MR. HART: The second Tuesday of  December, 13th. 7:00. But I'11 inform the neighbors. I'11 talk to them personally, and I'11 send a letter and give notice.  MR. NOTARI: A letter will probably  be best. That way it's official where they can't tell us that they didn't know.  MR. HART: Absolutely. You got it.  MR. NOTARI: Thank you. MR. BUTLER: Another question,  Chris. What's going on behind Puckett's garage? What are they building on the back?  MR. HART: Oh, that's in addition to  Master Millwright there. They are putting up a : pretty much a big warehouse. Their operation got bigger and bigger, so they needed room to expand to a larger garage. So that was all done through BIU through the planning commission and everything.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else,  Chris?  MR. HART: Nothing.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody else  have any questions for Chris?    27  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Thank you, Chris.  MR. HART: You're welcome.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Dave Lopatka,  have any  questions for  engineer. Anybody  Dave?  Anything to add, Dave?  MR. LOPATKA: No. I think : did  MaryLynn leave you guys that proposed :  (Simultaneous talking.)  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yeah, that's  on the agenda tonight.  MR. LOPATKA: A11 right. Yeah,  that's it.  MR. HOOVER: Dave, the paving  program, the streets that we picked, there's like six of them on there, five or six.  MR. LOPATKA: Okay.  MR. HOOVER: I'm going to add Sunny  Drive to it, and I'm going to add Apache Drive to it, and then I'11 send you the preliminary. They are going to think about it, but at least it will be preliminary. And next meeting, we'17 make it a definite  which streets.  MR. LOPATKA: A11 right. Do you    28  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  want to give me the list just sO that I can  see where they are at?  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, I'11 send it to  you.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone else  have any questions for Dave?  Thanks, Dave.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Chief  Dubernas. We do have the chief's report.  Anything to add, Chief?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yeah, just a few  things.  So after our last meeting and our  conversation, I was able to get four officers in that NASRO class in Archbald for December. So it would be December 12th through the 16th. That's the SRO class. So on that -- also, I forgot on the monthly report, I forget to put the abandoned vehicles. We had removed four of them for  October.  And the final thing, too. The  sergeant's test is December 2nd. It's a Friday at 10:00 here proctored by the civil  service commission.    29  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. NOTARI: Chief, those abandoned  vehicles, are they coming off the streets?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yes, off the  streets.  MR. NOTARI: Good work.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Chief, the SRO  training, you're sending four. We already  have two certified?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Two, and I'm  sending four. Two full-timers, two part-timers. The two part-timers I'm sending are my guys that normally cover day  shifts.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any questions  for the chief?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Then I'11 start  looking for another class, when they are going to be held in the area, to send a  couple more.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else,  Chief?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: That's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Thank you.  Bill Stull, assistant fire chief. We have  your report. Anything to add?    30  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. STULL: No, nothing at all. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have  any questions for Bill?  MR. NOTARI: I - do. Bill, on the  report under : you have life safety inspections of the duplex of six duplex two families and one multifamily three unit. They all have violations. Are they -- what happens? Do you go in and report a  violation? They need to obviously fix that,  but what happens if they don't?  MR. STULL: It gets turned over to  Chris.  MR. NOTARI: So you give them a  certain amount of time?  MR. STULL: We give them 30 days.  Depending on how many violations they have, goup to 30 days, and if we have to go back after 30 days, we'11 see where they are at. We might extend it out, but if it takes more than 60 days, everything gets turned over to  Chris.  MR. NOTARI: Then you would take the  landlord to the magistrate for violation of  safety?    31  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HART: Yeah, I'11 send a letter  out first, and then I'11 give them 15 days to respond on that. Most of them are out-of-town. I have been having some decent luck with them coming in and actually meeting me, to be honest. If they do, then I'17 end it there and I'11 allow them to do the work. And if they don't, if it goes past 15, then it goes right to the  magistrate.  Lately, we actually have been having  some decent luck that. We. got a guy in from New York with 15 properties that were pretty bad, and they actually -- I just got them turned over to ERA, and ERA is actually managing them for him, and he has money going into accounts. So ERA, I just notify the guy that's maintaining the property, and  they put the money right into it.  MR. NOTARI: And so we're  registering those properties in a list of  what we have.  MR. HART: Yeah, we're starting a  list now. We'11 start to build a list with tenants; obviously landlords; good contacts    32  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  and everything like that; location. And then now we're starting with tenants. Tenants change, but as soon as we get everything going with the rental, they'11 be  notified.  MR. NOTARI: So if any of these  properties that the fire department are inspecting and fire violations are vacant, do we then not allow them to be rented until  the violations are solved?  MR. HART: So the vacant ones we  really haven't been getting into. A lot of the vacant ones are actually going up for sale. A lot of them are sold, believe it or not, that you wouldn't even know of. Right here on Oak Street, four of them went already. There's another four that are actually going, and they are actually locals  that we are working with.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Can I ask you  a question, and not to interrupt you, when you say four, four buildings or four units?  MR. HART: Four buildings. Four of  them just went. They just closed within the past month. I don't know if you sawover    33  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  there right up from Dooley's, that one got started. They are redoing that.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I saw some  work going on.  MR. HART: Anthony Piccolini and a  couple investors are actually : they are trying to buy up anything they possibly can on Oak Street, specifically Oak Street for right now, including Bobby Barcola who just completed his project. So I have been working with them trying to get them in touch with landlords and everything. So it's actually been working out pretty well  lately.  MR. NOTARI: Good. Thank you. MR. BUTLER: Bill, what about the  houses that are abandoned and nobody's living in them? Can we go in there.  MR. STULL: There's nothing the fire  department can do on those. They are privately owned. It doesn't even fall under  our jurisdiction at all.  MR. BUTLER: So basically it don't  matter if they are a fire trap or not?  MR. STULL: As long as nobody's    34  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  living in them.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So, Bill,  what's the solution if there's an abandoned  property? Contact the landlord?  ATTY. RINALDI: If there's no  utilities, he can condemn it, and then as long as the windows are boarded up, and it's sealed tight, it's not falling down. That's what they are required to do. Nobody has to  live it in per se.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: How do we make  certain that no one is living in it without  being able to get into it?  ATTY. RINALDI: If there's no water  there and there's no electric and nobody's  living there :  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'm just  saying.  ATTY. RINALDI: But I mean, is there  a - reason it needs to be condemned?  MR. BUTLER: Yeah, it's falling  apart.  ATTY. RINALDI: Okay. Well maybe he  can take a look at it.  MR. NOTARI: Give Chris the address.    35  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. BUTLER: Ray Street property.  It's down right below the hose company where the lady has abandoned house on either side of her, and both of them are falling down.  MR. HART: They are both owned by  the tow truck guy.  MR. BUTLER: No, he owns one. Scott  Carey owns the other one.  MR. HART: Right. But at the end of  the day, I mean, determining if they are structurally sound, it's kind of hard without, you know, going onto the property. It's the only thing it would still be trespassing on their end. I mean, a lot of these houses are condemned. There's houses that have been condemned for about four or five years now in town, you know, that are just sitting there boarded up, but  unfortunately, I don't know why owners don't  want to, you know, get rid of it.  MR. NOTARI: Why are they condemned?  Do we know? If they are a dangerous structure, they can be torn down.  ATTY. RINALDI: Well, if it's  condemned because it's unhabitable because    36  there's no water, electric utilities, that doesn't mean that it's -- well, it's unhabitable. That's why it's condemned. But for it to be torn down, it's a different issue. It depends on, you know, what the  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  structure is like.  MR. STULL: We just condemned one  what was it in August. On South Main  Street. Yeah.  MR. HART: Yeah, right there on  South Main Street.  ATTY. RINALDI: I think those two  properties you're talking about, one's in the back. That's Carey's in the back. The other one in the front, I think, is a  foreclosure.  MR. HART: It was bought up by : it  purchased : the tow truck guy.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Pisko.  MR. HART: Andy Pisko. He owns one. ATTY. RINALDI: Get both of them.  See what the status is.  MR. HART: If I can get in on  structure, but I mean, then trying to get them to take them down, that's the hard    37  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  part. I mean you're talking $30,000 out of somebody's pocket, and that's why they just board them up and let them go. You know, they are structurally sound, but :  MR. NOTARI: What did we do with the  (inaudible) property at that time?  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Somebody  purchased it.  MR. NOTARI: Somebody did purchase  it?  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yeah, they  purchased it after. we condemned it.  MR. HART: We bought it.  MR. LENCESKI: The neighbor bought  it.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We tore it  down.  MR. HART: That was my only other  thought. I don't know grants or anything or program -- grants or programs that we could  get money to knock them down.  MR. NOTARI: I think the Land Dank  kind of helps with that, but again, it has to be our property. It can't be a private  property.    38  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  ATTORNEY RINALDI: The Land Bank can  buy them at the tax sale.  MR. BUTLER: My next question would  be, how do we know that it's structurally sound or not if we can't get on the property  to look at?  ATTORNEY RINALDI: Well, I mean, if  you see that the roof is caved in, that's an issue. You know, the times we have done it, they were pretty obvious. The foundation is eaten away. I forget one Dave inspected. It was a foundation issue. Certainly, if there's a roof that's caved in, you know, that's an issue. I can't think of any other ones we've had. I mean, if it's a fire, we usually get the : there's no insurance we have the insurance check to tear it down. So then we usually move onto those.  MR. BUTLER: I know Carey's house  has no water in it because I saw the paper where the water company shut off the water because the water bill was $828.  MR. HART: And there's a Tot of  them. I have been working with the sewer authority on these properties, as well as me    39  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  sending lists over every single week on the properties that the water was turned off. I send a letter, but like I said, at the end of day, we leave them abandoned and  board  them up, and I just don't know where we can  go from there.  MR. BUTLER: If it's structurally  sound, you're required to, you know, board up the windows and make it tight so that  nobody can get in.  MR. HOOVER: What if they are not  structurally sound and people don't want to do it? They just get away with it?  MR. HART: That's the problem. I  mean, I have one in court and the roof caved  in. They don't have the money.  MR. BUTLER: You know, $828 there  must be a pipe broke in the house, and the water is just shooting all over the place.  MR. HART: But like I said, I've  been trying to get somebody to come up with  that kind of money.  MR. NOTARI: You would be surprised. MR. BUTLER: Well, the reason the  tag was on the door was that there was too    40  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  much water being used. So again, that tells  me a pipe broke inside the house.  MR. HART: But like I said, once  again, you're trying to get them to put up that kind of money. I don't know any other  option.  MR. BUTLER: He isn't in the house.  How is he using water for anything else?  MR. HART: But, like I said, if the  guy doesn't have money to take it down, what do you do? I mean, you're not talking a couple hundred. You're talking tens of thousands of dollars. You know, I don't know if there's any other option.  MR. BUTLER: Probably let the house  get condemned.  MR. HART: They've been like that. MR. BUTLER: In the meantime, this  lady's got to live between these two houses that are : nobody's living in that are basically falling apart slowly but surely. So she just has to hope they just cave in  some day.  MR. NOTARI: What was the one?  Scott Carey you said?    41  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. - BUTLER: Scott Carey and Pisko.  That's what the girl told me that lives in  between them.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Why don't we  send Dave to them to check both of them to see if they're structurally sound?  MR. LOPATKA: I mean, can you get in  them?  MR. HART: I can get in touch with  them. I have both their phone numbers. I  could reach out.  MR. BUTLER: Scott Carey's house has  garbage stacked up six feet on each side of  his back porch.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: That's a  zoning issues.  ATTY. RINALDI: That's a code issue.  The garbage is a code issue.  MR. HART: But like I said, getting  rid of the house, I don't know any way we  could, you know.  MR. NOTARI: So he has two houses,  lives in one? Something like that?  MR. BUTLER: He moved out to his  mother's house just let to that house go.    42  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So why don't  we send Dave over to those two on Ray Street and get a hold of them and let Dave check them out and see if they are structurally  sound or not.  MR. BUTLER: We can do that. Start  with that.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else? MR. BUTLER: No, that's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone have  any other questions for Assistant Chief  Stull?  Thanks, Bill.  Attorney Rinaldi, we have your  report. Anything to add?  ATTY. RINALDI: No, I was going to  remind you about the planning meeting, but I also want to make sure you tell Joe Campolieto it moved because he wants to be  at it.  MR. HART: Okay.  ATTY. RINALDI: And just a note to  schedule the special, meeting for 7:00 before  the work session on December 6th. Otherwise, nothing else to add.    43  I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have  any questions for the solicitor?  Thanks, Bill.  Before we go into new business,  we'11 move into public comment. Maria Gething. How are you? Good evening.  MS. GETHING: I'm here about Apollo  Drive. I live on Apollo Drive, and recently there's been four of us that have gotten tickets for parking face down instead of  face up.  And I don't know if anybody's been  up that way that goes that way. It's : you go in and it comes back and you come back down. The road is kind of shaped like what your platform is up there. And it's hard, like, to park backing up because you're kind of : it's not straight, and you're backing it into a : like, a half circle. But that's : the point is I'm trying to make is that the tenants are the only ones that really could go in through there, and you could only fit one car either going up or coming down. If one is coming down, you have to go to the side and let them pass.    44  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  And :  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You're talking  about -- I don't mean to interrupt you. I'm  sorry : Apollo Drive behind :  MS. GETHING: Yeah.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: In the housing  development.  MS. GETHING: Yeah.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Lackawanna  County Housing.  MS. GETHING: Yeah. And now with  winter. approaching, I live right in the middle of where the turn is. And now with winter coming with the snow and stuff, to start off in that middle there to go up the hill to around, I'm afraid I'm going to get stuck and I'm not going to get to work, for  one thing.  And then another thing is to park  that way, you can't see cars coming up from Henderson or coming up to Apollo Drive because it's like a blind spot. So it makes it a little bit : not a little bit, but it makes it unsafe of getting hit. If you're up there, you know, trying to see to get up    45  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  to pull out.  We have been parking like that -- I  have been there for three years, and we have always parked facing down. People who have been there for 12 years have said that they have been parking the same way. We just recently start getting ticketed. And I understand that you're supposed to park in the direction of traffic, but this way, you're going : the traffic : you're going in that way, but you're still coming out the same way, and you can't park on the other side of the street. You could only park on  that left side of the street.  What I'm asking is there a way we  can get to park facing down sO we can get out. When the garbage men come, like, we have to wait : because I have to get out and go to work, and they're there. If I park the other way  once they pass where we are, I can go to work. Otherwise, we have to wait until they down all come back around, come back down, which I take the chance of being late for work.  So what I'm asking is if we can park    46  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  the way we've been parking. And if you can't do it all the time, can we do it at least in the wintertime sO that we don't get stuck in that middle to turn around to go to work. There's about five of us, I think, that live in there on that road that  actually go to work.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So you're  saying that the cars are parking facing down  on the wrong side of the road?  MS. GETHING: That's how we were  parking, yes.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: And that's how  they were getting ticketed?  MS. GETHING: That's how we got  ticketed, yes. That's the way we have been  parking for 12 years.  MR. NOTARI: Is there not-off street  parking there?  MS. GETHING: There's a couple of  spots, but they are taken. And those people that take them don't go to work. Sometimes the cars don't move for days. So we are  right on that road.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: So she's asking    47  1 2 3  for, like, the exemption I think that we have on the 600 block of George Street. That we allow them to park on the opposite side down the hill sO they are not starting off on the middle of the hill for the winter months. Like November 1st to, I think, April 1st or something like that.  5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So that's  mainly during the winter months?  MS. GETHING: Well, during, you  know, the other months too because it's hard to park your car straight -when the road is in that : curb is like that. You know, it's not straight. So you're not straight. So you're either going to be cockeyed with your front end sticking out or you're going to be curved because I can't get in there to  make my car straight.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So, Chief, if  we are going to consider some type of exemption, would you have to go there and do  a traffic stop?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: No.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: How about we  send the Chief down, let him look at it. If    48  1 2 3  he has to, he can contact you or some of the other neighbors who are involved with it, and then get some information. Obviously he's going to look at it and see the best way to see if he can help you out.  5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MS. GETHING: Okay. Like, I've been  saying the only people that really go in there are the people that live there. And, you know, emergencies, garbage people, you know, the garbage men. But other than that, it's not a main road for people to come through because it's only really where the tenants are, and there's no other way to get out. There's no back road to get out.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Right. It's  just the cul-de-sac that turns around and  comes right back.  MR. NOTARI: Are all the spots taken  on the street?  MS. GETHING: On the street. MR. NOTARI: Yeah.  MS. GETHING: No. There's not a  lot. They are taken, but :  MR. NOTARI: But I'm saying, you're  saying you have trouble your car sticking    49  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  out on the street.  MS. GETHING: It could stick out on  the street, yes.  MR. NOTARI: So you have to parallel  park because there's many cars parked on the  street?  MS. GETHING: Where we are, there's  like four of us right at the vicinity where I live. And then there's off-street parking. Then there's more. But right where I am is actually where it's more of a  curve.  MR. NOTARI: Okay.  MS. GETHING: If it was straight, if  we had a straight part of it :  MR. NOTARI: Understood.  MR. BUTLER: Is there street parking  for every unit or no?  MR. HOOVER: I think you have to  have two cars per unit. So two parking spots for each unite. If four people live there, there's not enough parking spots for  every unit.  MS. GETHING: Right. This is my  opinion. I - don't know why they cut it off    50  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  the way they cut it off. The street : like Is said, it's just small enough for one vehicle. I don't know why they extended it further and make spots like across the street, off street parking off the street, that would have probably eliminated the parking on the street where we wouldn't be  parking the wrong way.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Let us send  the chief down. If you want, before you leave, give him your number, just sO he can contact you if he has any questions to ask you or you want to ask him. Let him go down and take a look and then he'17 bring us something back for the next meeting.  MS. - GETHING: Okay. Thank you. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else? MS. GETHING: No, that's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You're  welcome.  Pamela Evans. How are you, Pam? MS. EVANS: Good. How are you? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Good. Thank  you.  MS. EVANS: Good. Okay. First    51  thing is I see that the ordinance was filed. Okay. But it doesn't tell me what was filed. So were all three properties included in the zoning? A11 three  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  properties?  MR. HART: Yes.  MS. EVANS: Okay. And all  violations. So the dilapidated foundation  to that building?  MR. HART: Health and sanitation on  all of them.  MS. EVANS: But I. want to make sure  everything because last time you didn't put  everything.  MR. HART: The properties are all  listed to be cleaned up. A11 of the properties that he has are on your property are listed to be cleaned under health and sanitation for the garbage and all the  debris laying around.  MS. EVANS: Okay. And the trailers? MR. HART: The trailers are in there  as well.  MS. EVANS: Okay. And you said that  they were legal?    52  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HART: Yes, that's what his  attorney provided me.  MS. EVANS: Okay. So when I emailed  Attorney Rinaldi, he told me that trailers are temporary structures and are allowed in R1 -- R1A R2 zones as special exemptions only. So the property that's on West Morton Street is R1A. So that would have to be  approved by zoning.  Now, would you require a permit for  that?  ATTY. RINALDI: He would have to  come to the zoning hearing board and apply  for a special exception.  MS. EVANS: Okay. And did he do  that?  MR. HART: No.  MS. EVANS: Okay. So that's another  issue that I have.  MR. HART: He's in court for that. MS. EVANS: He's in court for that,  but   MR. HART: That property is back  there in court.  MS. EVANS: Okay.    53  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HART: For the trailer. MS. EVANS: I agree. But the last  time you told me that they were all legal. So I wanted to ensure that you put them all in there, all of the violations. Because the last time we all submitted them, you picked one property, and only certain violations. Am I correct with that?  MR. HART: Correct. MS. EVANS: Okay.  MR. HART: I : also called you to  explain all of this to you, like I said I  would.  MS. - EVANS: Okay. But remember at  the last meeting I said :  MR. HART: Mr. Rinaldi is aware of  that because I called him right after and  told him.  MS. EVANS: Okay. Remember at the  last meeting I said that it would be via email, and we all agreed because he doesn't tell me the truth. So rather than him say that, Febbo and whoever else was up here agreed to email me. You told him that you contacted me. You have not contacted me    54  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  since the last meeting.  MR. HART: Okay. I have no comment  on any of this. If you guys want to talk.  MS. EVANS: You said you that  contacted me.  MR. HART: I have nothing to say on  this matter. It's in court. That's where  it stands.  MS. EVANS: Okay. I understand  that. But my thing is, how can I work with him? He told you that he contacted me.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: He did. MS. EVANS: At the last meeting, we  agreed it would be email.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Let me  rephrase that. He told me he contacted you.  Idon't know if he contacted you.  MS. EVANS: He didn't. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Okay.  MS. EVANS: He called me on November  1st. I C didn't answer because I'm not going to say something and him say I said something else because this is what we're  going through.  MR. NOTARI: Timeout. You want him    55  to contact you. He called you. You didn't  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  answer.  MS. EVANS: No. He was supposed to  contact me via email. We agreed on that last meeting, and you were one of the people who also agreed. I C said everything through email. I'm not going have a conversation with him because he tells me one thing and then says he says something else. So we agreed on that, and he was sitting here when we agreed on that, and then he didn't contact me until November 1st at 2:35 or  whatever it was.  MR. NOTARI: Let me stop you there.  And I understand -- I understand that you're upset, and I understand that there's problems that need to be rectified, but I'm going to be quite honest with you. In my opinion, I don't think Chris needs to keep you in the loop tep-by-step-by-steP. I think Chris needs to do his job for this Borough and make sure that the codes are being followed to the way they are in the  book.  You have brought a problem to our    56  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  attention. You have brought the problem to his attention. A11 right. He, from our understanding, is following the steps that need to be done. If you don't believe that, then you have every right to come here and  tell us that.  MS. EVANS: Right. But :  MR. NOTARI: Again : let me finish.  MS. EVANS: Okay.  MR. NOTARI: My opinion, I do not  believe he needs to hold your hand throughout this whole- process, and that's what you're asking him. You're asking him to keep you informed every step of the way. That's not his job. His job is to keep us  informed every step of the way.  MS. EVANS: Okay. I agree.  MR. NOTARI: And if he is not doing  that, then we need to sit him down and make sure that he does. However :- however, you're asking him to contact you constantly with things that are being filed and things that are going on. In my opinion, that's not his job nor his responsibility.  MS. EVANS: I am not asking him. He    57  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  said that he would notify me when he filed it. And then he told Rinaldi that he  notified me :  MR. NOTARI: Mr. Rinaldi.  MS. - EVANS: Mr. Rinaldi, correct.  He told him that he notified me. He didn't. He said that he was going to notify me when he re-filed. He did not. I'm not asking  MR. NOTARI: Well, that's on him,  and that's something you need to address  with us, not with him.  MS. EVANS: I am addressing. MR. NOTARI: No, you're speaking to  him. Just address us.  MS. EVANS: Okay.  MR. NOTARI: And again, that's the  way I feel.  MS. EVANS: Okay. That's fine. So  the trailer is in : it's in court now.  My other question is, the meeting  minutes. What is the timeframe and why are the meeting minutes not updated since July?  Like, who does that?  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Meaning the  meeting minutes on the website?    58  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MS. EVANS: The council meeting  minutes, correct.  MR. HOOVER: We've had problems  here. The wi-fi in this building was just fixed -- in this room was just turned on last week. That's why we couldn't use these laptops because there was a problem with the wi-fi. This wi-fi has been a problem for  the last six months.  Since July -- I don't know the  minutes haven't been on since July. That, I don't know. But for the last six months, with this building being put up here, a lot of things haven't been put on the website, including the minutes. So is that our fault? Probably, yeah. But if you need to take a look at the minutes, just call MaryLynn, and she'11 give them to you.  MS. - EVANS: I called last time when  Idid need them, and they told me I had to wait until they were posted or pay for them. And it was more than a month after they were  approved.  MR. NOTARI: We have to address  that, too.    59  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You don't have  to wait until they are posted. You have to  wait until we got them.  MS. EVANS: Right, but they were  approved when I needed the June minutes, and they just kept giving me the runaround on them. So you're saying once they are approved, if they are not posted, I could call here and get a copy of them?  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes.  MS. EVANS: Without paying for them? MR. NOTARI: Yes, and they should be  posted once they are approved.  MS. EVANS: Right. So the meeting  minutes is because of wi-fi, but if they are approved, then I can obtain a copy when I call. And just tell -- is it MaryLynn is gonna give them to me? Is that who I would  contact?  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yeah, or one  of her secretaries, but they would discuss it with her if you got ahold of the secretaries, and then she would handle it  from there.  MS. EVANS: Okay. Because the last    60  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  time, they told me I could not get them  until they were posted.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Posted on the  website?  MS. EVANS: On the website, correct. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: They might  have made a mistake, and I can't answer for  them, but I'm just guessing :  MS. EVANS: She told me I had to pay  for them. I'm like, they were already approved. It was like weeks after they were approved. We were already approaching the  next council meeting.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'm just  saying, when she said posted, she might have meant until we get the copy of them.  MS. EVANS: So after they are  approved, a week later I can obtain them?  ATTY. RINALDI: So if you make a  right-to-know request, you can get the printed out minutes. I don't know what she puts on the website. But if you want copies from the office, you have to write in a request, I want these meeting minutes.  MS. EVANS: Okay. And then I don't    61  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  have to pay for them?  ATTY. RINALDI: No, they are going  to be whatever she charges a page.  MS. EVANS: It was like 35 or 40  dollars.  ATTY. RINALDI: Stuff that's on the  internet, you can download it, but they are pretty thick. I ( don't know if they go on  there.  MS. EVANS: They don't. So what I'm  saying is because they are not posted, I don't think that a month after they are approved, I should have to pay for them. It's public knowledge; am I correct?  ATTY. RINALDI: Well, you have to  pay for anything of a right-to-know request  if it's over X number of pages.  MS. EVANS: No, but they should be  posted.  ATTY. RINALDI: Like I said, I don't  know if she posts them because they are very thick, and I don't know how much bandwidth  we have. I don't think she :  MR. NOTARI: Yeah, it's a PDF. ATTY. RINALDI: Okay. So you can    62  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  just hit click and try and download it.  MS. EVANS: Right, and I could do  that, but since July, they are not posted.  MR. NOTARI: We'17 take care of it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We'11 talk to  her. Maybe she was having a problem with the website. We'11 check everything out since you brought it to our attention.  MS. EVANS: Okay. Thank you. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'm not sure  when we got back up and running.  Even when you were sending me a few  emails. Remember?  MS. EVANS: Yes.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We couldn't  even get into our iPads.  MS. EVANS: Right. But all of the  emails are working now?  MR. NOTARI: Yes, iPads are back. MR. - RUSSELL RINALDI: As of today,  I'm pretty sure I could say mine is working. And I think they are all. As of today mine is -- because they've been going in and out  for a while.  Any other items, ma'am?    63  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MS.  EVANS: No, that's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: No other  public comment? We'11 move into new  business.  MR. REZZINO: I have a question. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Oh. Did you  want to speak, sir?  MR. REZZINO: I just want to ask you  a - question about what you just spoke about.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Could you  state your name, please.  MR. REZZINO: Yes. Rezzino, James. You said that you've had no internet  for : or access to your email for the past five months or so. Are you saying basically any communication has been no with the public or with any outside sources if anybody has been sending you emails?  MR. HOOVER: Emails in the building  have been working, but our iPads haven't  been.  MR. NOTARI: And not the last five  months, the last two.  MR. REZZINO: So there's been a  breakdown in communication with :    64  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  obviously, if you can't upload something like that, the minutes, there would be probably done over a base unit. It wouldn't be done over wi-fi. Would it? That would  be done :-  MR. HOOVER: No. The reason we  couldn't get on our iPads was one of the issues was the wi-fi. That was just one  issue.  MR. NOTARI: In this room.  MR. HOOVER: In this room. We got  that fixed.  MR. REZZINO: Over : they wouldn't  they would go from the computer up.  MR. HOOVER: If there was something  that was in dire need, she would send us a text or send us something that we needed to look at, and we would get the information.  MR. REZZINO: And that affected the  minutes too because :  MR. HOOVER: No, the minutes were  always done. They were done. I don't know why they weren't on the website, why they  didn't put them on.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Are you asking    65  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  why the minutes may not have been loaded to the website? The website was under construction. And then while the building was under construction, the website was under construction, we got : our iPads had to be sent back because they're government iPads. They had to be sent back, and they had to be fixed because we had changed email email carriers : email access.  And once we did that -- it took a  little bit, to be honest with you. I can't answer why. The borough manager would have a better answer. But for about two months there with the iPads, we were having a hard time accessing emails. We were receiving some; we weren't. We could log in; we couldn't. There was something with our IT  guy or our IT company we use.  MR. REZZINO: Okay. Wasn't there  problems with the phone communication in the building too? Like, people weren't getting their messages? They were going to  different people?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yep.  MR. REZZINO: So this has been -    66  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  this was an ongoing from the beginning of  the year at least, I believe.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: That would  have to come from the borough manager. I couldn't give you an exact answer on how long for the office. I - don't think it was  that long, but :  MR. REZZINO: Have we eventually  sorted out : but if messages left could have taken months if not -- to get eventually to somebody if :  MR. NOTARI: Sir, have you left a  message and not received an answer?  MR. REZZINO: I have been told that  the messages were being shifted.  MR. NOTARI: That's not my question,  sir. Did you leave a message here at the borough building and did not receive an  answer from someone?  MR. REZZINO: Yes.  MR. NOTARI: So do you have a  problem? What's your question?  MR. REZZINO: It's beyond that, but  it's been : it's been earlier. It was an earlier issue that there's nothing that    67  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  it's beyond that. It's not about that, but  it was earlier on.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I think what  Councilman Notari is asking :  MR. NOTARI: Do you have a question  for us tonight? Do you need anything?  MR. REZZINO: I was asking you the  question about the communication that you  said :  MR. NOTARI: Yes, we've had a  problem with communication.  MR. REZZINO: And that was the  question I was asking.  MR. NOTARI: And that's the answer. MR. REZZINO: That you brought up,  and I was just asking for clarification, and  you clarified it.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: No, I think he  was asking : when you called in the past and left a message and didn't get a response back, what was your question back then. Do  you want to ask it now?  MR. REZZINO: No, that's into  something else already.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Okay. That's    68  what I thought you were asking.  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. NOTARI: So that issue was  solved?  MR. REZZINO: I'm assuming since  January it's been progressed.  MR. NOTARI: You're not going to  tell us what it is?  MR. REZZINO: No, no, no. It's MR. NOTARI: Because we have had  meetings continually through COVID through our time outside of this building twice a month, and we have not heard from you, sir, about any issue that you have had.  MR. REZZINO: No, no, no, no, no.  I'm not -- I didn't : no, no, no.  MR. NOTARI: You didn't what, sir? MR. REZZINO: I didn't know. I'm  just asking you a question. And you  answered it.  MR. NOTARI: Okay. Thank you. Can  we move on now, Mr. Chairman.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any other  questions, sir?  MR. REZZINO: Not right now. Not  right now, but I will next meeting.    69  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. NOTARI: Very good. We'11 be  here.  MR. REZZINO: I'11 get my notes. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Thank you. With that said, we're going to move  into new business.  First item under new business is a  resolution to hire an architect for the senior center renovation project. The Chairman will entertain a motion for a resolution approving a professional contractor architectural services for renovations to the first and second floor of the senior center : the senior center project with the Borough of 01d Forge and Potter K: Architecture and Design in the Borough of 01d Forge, Lackawanna County,  Pennsylvania.  MR. HOOVER: I'17 make that motion. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  floor by Councilman Hoover.  MR. BUTLER: Second.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by  Councilman Butler. On the question.  MR. NOTARI: On the question,    70  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Mr. Chairman, do we have a number. Did I  miss the number? The cost?  MR. LOPATKA: It's the last page or  second to last page. I think it was broke down by phase. This page. Third to last.  Broken down to three things.  MR. NOTARI: I have a problem with  the traffic costs. We're going to pay all this money to have this person design and architect and do all the work, and they are going to charge us per mile from where they  are located.  Is that standard, Dave? MR. LOPATKA: Honestly, it is.  Honestly, I don't think that they are going to make all that many trips here during the design phase of the project. They are probably going to come measure sO that they have all the dimensions, and then they design off of that. It won't be like a daily trip coming to the Borough building.  MR. NOTARI: Okay. A11 right.  That's my only question.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So, Bill,  those three phases, that's the estimated    71  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  cost that they are saying?  ATTY. RINALDI: Yep.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Okay. For the  record, phase one is $2,950; phase two is $3,450; and phase three is $2,500; with an  estimated cost of $8,400.  Motion by Councilman Hoover. Second  by Councilman Butler. On the question. Public input. Roll call, please.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover.  MR HOOVER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes.  Bill, the next two items, we have to  add them to agenda first.  ATTY. RINALDI: Why don't you just  make a motion and direct MaryLynn to follow  through. She can handle that.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Okay. Next    72  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  item under new business will be a motion to approve the Apache Drive stormwater project that's located in front of Mrs. Strazik's  house.  MR. BUTLER: Are you going put it  where she wants it? Like, right in front of  the driveway?  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: It's right in  the middle of the driveway.  MR. LOPATKA: Right where that low  spot is. That's where she wanted it.  That's where it's going.  MR. BUTLER: Okay.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  floor?  MR. HOOVER: I'11 make the motion. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  floor by Councilman Hoover.  MR. BUTLER: I'17 second. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by  Councilman Butler.  On the question.  MR. NOTARI: I want the drain to be  put where it's going to work best.  MR. BUTLER: That's where it's going    73  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  to work best.  MR. NOTARI: Okay. I want it where  it's going to work best, not necessarily where the resident wants something. That's  all I have.  MR. HOOVER: Dave. MR. LOPATKA: Yes, sir.  MR. HOOVER: Where is it going to  work best?  MR. LOPATKA: I mean, I think that  spot is the best. We originally had it designed on the upper part on the high side of the driveway sO water wouldn't get in front of the driveway, but she is saying it's coming across the street. I was out there. I didn't witness it coming straight across the street, but if that's where the water is coming into her property, and that's where she is comfortable with it, I don't have a problem with where it's at  honestly.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Like  Councilman Notari said, though :  MR. LETTIERI: We had stated that  multiple times that it's coming across the    74  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  street. So if we put it on the top, and it's coming across the street, it's not  going to do anything.  MR. LOPATKA: Right. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Like  Councilman Notari said, it has to go where the best place is going to catch the water.  So if that's the place best :  MR. BUTLER: The water is going to  come right in between the two drains -- I'17 guarantee it : if we put it by her mailbox.  MR. LOPATKA: I don't disagree. I  know that there's a low spot right in that  spot.  MR. HOOVER: Right between the two  drains.  MR. LOPATKA: Which is fine. We  were down there, and the survey shows the water coming along the edge of the cave. You know, whether it comes across the  street :  MR. BUTLER: When it's drizzling. I  was down there in the downpour.  MR. LOPATKA: Well, if it's  downpour, then that's where coming.    75  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. BUTLER: That's the only time  that she gets water is when it really rains  hard.  MR. NOTARI: I was down there, and  there wasn't a drop going down the driveway.  MR. BUTLER: Chris Hart was there  with his camera.  MR. NOTARI: You can show me any  video you want. I have been there too in the pouring rain, and I haven't seen a drop roll down the driveway. So again, if Dave  agrees it's in the best spot.  MR. LOPATKA: It's fine where it's  at.  MR. NOTARI: Then that's fine. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  floor by Councilman Hoover. Second by  Councilman Butler.  On the question. Public input.  Roll call, please.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover.  MR HOOVER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri.    76  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Next item will be a motion to  advertise on December 6th of 2022 at 7:00 p.m. a special meeting before our work  session.  MR. NOTARI: I'17 make that motion,  Mr. Chairman.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: For any and  all business.  Motion on the floor by Councilman  Notari.  MR. BUTLER: I'11 second. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by  Councilman Butler.  On the question, public input. Roll  call, please.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover.  MR HOOVER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri.    77  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. No more items under new business.  We'11 go down the table to see if any council members have anything to add before  we adjourn.  Councilman Lettieri.  MR. LETTIERI: Not at this time. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Councilman  Notari.  MR. NOTARI: Yes. I would like to  add to new business. I would like to make a motion to add Sam Ceccacci as a secondary grant writer at no cost to the Borough just to give us another option in case Mrs. Hatala is working on something and can't help us pursue a grant that the Borough may  need to pursue.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  floor by Councilman Notari.  MR. BUTLER: I second that. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by    78  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Councilman Butler.  On the question, public input. Roll  call, please.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover.  MR HOOVER: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes.  Councilman Notari, anything else?  MR. NOTARI: I have nothing else.  Thank you.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You're  welcome.  Councilman Butler.  MR. BUTLER: No, I'm good. Thank  you.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Councilman  Hoover.  MR. HOOVER: No, I'm good. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I have no    79  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  items. Just to inform the public, council had an executive session after our last meeting, and we're going to break it tonight into an executive session as well, both for  personnel matters.  If nothing else, the chair will  entertain a motion to adjourn.  MR. NOTARI I'17 make that motion. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  floor by Councilman Notari. A11 in favor?  (Unanimous. Meeting adjourned.)    80  1 2 3 4  CERIIFICATE.  I hereby certify that I attended the forgoing proceeding, the notes taken by me are contained fully 5 and accurately of the above cause, and that this copy is a correct transcript of the same to the best of my  6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23  ability.  Mlli K.0D Mbllie Gill, RPR Court Reporter  (The foregoing certificate of this transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means unless under the direct control and/or supervision of  24 the certifying reporter.)  25