OLD FORGE BOROUGH COUNCIL OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA IN RE: COUNCIL MEETING NOVEMBER 15, 2022 7:00 p.m. 310 SOUTH MAIN STREET OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA APPEARANCES: RICK NOTARI JIM HOOVER ANDY BUTLER MIKE LETTIERI RUSSELL RINALDI, PRESIDENT DAVID LOPATKA, BOROUGH ENGINEER BILL STULL, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF WILLIAM RINALDI, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR CHRISTOPHER HART, ZONING/CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER MOLLIE GILL, RPR COURT REPORTER 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I'd like to call the meeting to order with the Pledge of Allegiance, please. (Pledge of Allegiance.) MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Roll call, please, Bill. ATTY. RINALDI: Councilwoman Avvisato. Absent. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Here. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Febbo. Absent. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover. MR HOOVER: Here. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Present. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Present. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Here. Thanks, Bill. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the regular meeting in the 01d Forge Borough. Tonight is Tuesday, November 15, 2022. The purpose of the meeting is to 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 go through our agenda and we'17 hear from our department heads. We'11 hear from our solicitor, our council. There's a public sign-in sheet. If anyone from the public would like to sign in, we'11 give you a few minutes at the end of the meeting. The chief has it. With that said, we're going to go through a few of our nousekeeping motions. First motion would be motion to approve the minutes from the prior meeting. MR. NOTARI: I'11 make that motion, Mr. Chairman. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the Floor by Councilman Notari. MR. LETTIERI: I'17 second it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by Councilman Lettieri. On the question. Public input. Roll call, please. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover. MR HOOVER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Second item is motion to approve treasurer's report. Please note this does not include the sewer accounts. MR. NOTARI: I'17 make that motion, Mr. Chairman. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Notari. MR. BUTLER: I'11 second it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by Councilman Butler. On the question. Public input. Ro1l call, please. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover. MR HOOVER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Third item is motion to approve invoices for payment. Once again, please note this does include the sewer accounts. MR. NOTARI: I'11 make that motion, Mr. Chairman. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Notari. MR. HOOVER: I'11 second. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by Councilman Hoover. On the question. Public input. Roll call, please. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover. MR HOOVER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Fourth item is motion to approve sewer department financial report. 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. - LETTIERI: I'17 make that motion, Mr. Chairman. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Lettieri. MR. NOTARI: I'11 second. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by Councilman Notari. On the question. Public input. Roll call, please. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover. MR HOOVER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Fifth item is motion to approve sewer department invoices for payment. MR. HOOVER: I'11 make that motion. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Hoover. MR. BUTLER: I'17 second the motion. 7 1 2 3 4 5 0 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by Councilman Butler. On the question. Public input. Roll call, please. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover. MR HOOVER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Moving to our first department head, Joseph Lenceski, DPW manager. We have Joe's report. Anybody have any questions for Joe or, Joe, do you have anything to add? MR. LENCESKI: No. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone have any questions for Joe? MR. HOOVER: Joe, I just want to thank you and Brian Ravaioli and anybody else that had anything to do with the field 8 1 2 3 4 5 down there. Been down there a couple times with that sod that you put down on Lackawanna Stadium again, and you did a good job. Thank you. You guys put a lot of time in that. The lights are on. You're working in the dark. And I really appreciate that. 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 You did a great job. MR. LENCESKI: Thank you. MR. NOTARI: I would just like to mention that I was down there last week too with Joe, and him and Brian Ravaioli were both down there, and they mentioned that replacing the backstop may be easier than what we first anticipated. They both felt -- I don't want to speak for you, Joe - but Brian felt that : and I thought Joe agreed that we could just put new fencing up, that the posts are in good condition, and that we wouldn't need to replace the posts. So it will probably cost us a lot less to fix that backside. So I think Joe is working on that, and we'11 see how that goes. MR. LETTIERI: Joe, do they use any sod up at the fill at Pagnotti's? Did they 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 fix that or no? MR. LENCESKI: No. MR. LETTIERI: They're not going to? MR. LENCESKI: Well, just the timeframe, we had a small window to grab the sod, and it wasn't easy. We actually had to harvest it from the field. He came with a sod cutter, and he cut strips. We had to shovel it, pick it up, and then put it on the trucks. MR. LETTIERI: I got you. Because I know- we talked about the field up there also as well. A17 right. MR. LENCESKI: You know, they had the opportunity. They just didn't have the volunteers. MR. LETTIERI: Just didn't have it. MR. NOTARI: Ready for winter? MR. LENCESKI: Yes. I had a new box put on the 2010 F-550. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: The salt box. MR. NOTARI: The actual box itself. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Oh, the whole box. MR. LENCESKI: Because it was 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 rotting away. And I serviced the plow, put a new blade on it, and I picked it up today. The truck that I ordered in August of 2021 is on the way on its way to the dealer. So we should have that shortly also. I've also I'11 been up to Powell's and have that fitted up. MR. NOTARI: Sounds good. MR. HOOVER: Joe sent me this, the Apache Drive thing that we have to do. Apache Drive in front of Strazik's. He gave me a price from Earthworks for $12,000. That's with a 24-inch pipe. Do we need a 24-inch pipe there, Dave? The amount of water that's going to go in that pipe? MR. LOPATKA: I mean, it gets that whole road. I mean, we were matching what was coming in from the other pipe. MR. HOOVER: Is that what's there? MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. I mean, you could probably get away with an 18-inch pipe. I wouldn't go less than that. MR. HOOVER: Well, he gave me two estimates. He gave me one for a 24-inch 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 pipe for $12,000. Now, that's not going to cut it because we're gonna have to bid. MR. LOPATKA: No, $12,000. It's under 19.5. MR. HOOVER: Then he gave me a price of half that, which is a 12. I mean, I don't have a problem with 24 : $12,000 having them do this. Anybody else? Joe got me the price from Earthworks. MR. LOPATKA: That includes : what the inlet? MR. HOOVER: It includes placement of the PULS power supply and install one catch basin frame grate 55 feet of 24 inch plastic pipe in according to the plan back-fill compact with 2A sub-base. Patch roadway to final restoration -- patch roadway but no final restoration is included. And I said, we'11 take care of that intersection with our new paving program. MR. LOPATKA: Yep. No, I mean, that's a good price. You're not getting those when you're bidding. MR. HOOVER: And the question is, is 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 do you think we need to do it? That's the question. MR. LOPATKA: Do we : do we need the 8 to 24 is what you said? MR. HOOVER: No. I mean, we're going to build a 24-inch pipe. MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. MR. HOOVER: We're going to do that. But do we need to do the project? That's what I mean. MR. LOPATKA: I mean, I was just over there. I guess Chris was over there. I I mean, some water was down. I C don't know how much. MR. NOTARI: Well, I think if it helps alleviate the stormwater over there. I - understand your concerns, and I have those same concerns, but I think at this point, if there's any water going over her driveway, that we could prevent that. MR. HOOVER: I mean, I think that, you know, God forbid we do get a big storm and something happens on the inside, and she ends up with two feet of water in front of her garage, it's going to be our 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 responsibility. MR. NOTARI: Yeah. So we need to : do we need to approve that at a meeting? MR. HOOVER: Yeah, you need to approve that at a meeting. Right? ATTY. RINALDI: You can do a motion directing to follow through on that bid. MR. HOOVER: A11 right. We'11 do that. That's for Apache Drive stormwater pipe. MR. LOPATKA: What was that number? 12? MR. HOOVER: 12,000 even. Gave it to me on November 8th. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else, Councilman Hoover? MR. HOOVER: No, that's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody else have any questions for Joe? MR. - NOTARI: One thing I just read in the report. Sunny Drive. You met with PA Water to discuss paving. So my guess is they're going to dig it up, replace the water main, and then pave it. MR. LENCESKI: They are already 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 have. MR. NOTARI: They already have? MR. LENCESKI: No, they haven't paved it. They did the line work. MR. NOTARI: So this meeting is to discuss when it's getting paved. MR. LOPATKA: It was : the meeting was to discuss when : MR. HOOVER: There's no basin. MR. LOPATKA: When they were doing the work, they said there's no base in the road. It's just : it's just a layer of pavement. So they are like, if we mill that, are we just putting down an inch and a half of pavement that's probably not going to stand up for very long? So that was kind of the discussion that we had. And sO the water company is required to pay Leeward for the milling and the overlay, but the thought was, is do we need to put some base under there and something a little bit more for pavement. Take the money that the water company was going to pay them to offset some of the cost, and then we would have to pay for the rest. 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. HOOVER: Now, the trench restoration from the Borough from the water company to the contractor is going to cost we're going to pay Leeward $30,000 for the trench restoration based on 6 or 7 feet wide. In the overlay of the road, 30,000 square feet. MR. LOPATKA: Was there a trench restoration right to the top? Were they putting asphalt? MR. HOOVER: Usually it's : usually right to the top, and then they usually MR. LOPATKA: And then they mill. MR. HOOVER: And then they mill it curb to curb and overlay it that way. MR. LOPATKA: Right. MR. HOOVER: But this, to do the trench restoration on the road, trench restoration on the trenches was about $30,000. To overlay the road is about $35,000. So I was up there today, and I told them sO for $65,000 -- you'11 give us $65,000 to the Borough, and then we'11 take care of the rest of road, do what we have to do to the road, whether we put three inches 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in there or decide what we want to do. They'11 give us a check for 65,000. MR. LOPATKA: They're going to pay 65,000. MR. HOOVER: They're going to pay for a permanent restoration in the trench and the overlay. MR. LOPATKA: So they didn't do the permit restoration of the trench. MR. HOOVER: They don't do nothing. They put some cold patch in. I mean, do you want them to do restoration on the trench? MR. LOPATKA: Well, I mean, I thought that they would have restored the trench at least up to the top. MR. HOOVER: We can have them do that. Then we're only going to get the cost of the overlay. MR. LOPATKA: Right. I mean, basically, it would have been the mill in the overlay to give up the money for it. I would prefer if they pay for the trench, and had the trench done : MR. HOOVER: Yeah, but the road is about 25 to 30 feet wide. 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LOPATKA: That's wide. MR. HOOVER: And there's no basin in either road. So you're going to dig the trench up. You're going to put four or five inches of BCBC in the trench, and the rest of the roads not going to have nothing in it, and we're not going to put nothing in it? I mean : MR. LOPATKA: No, I think you have to. MR. HOOVER: Well, we have to. That's what I mean. So the money that we're getting from the water company, I just think that we should just go in and see if we could just overlay it with three inches of something. MR. LOPATKA: I would use like a 19 mil. MR. HOOVER: A 19 millimeter. MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. MR. HOOVER: And then overlay the road. MR. LOPATKA: Well, yeah, right over the top. MR. HOOVER: Rather than do permit 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 restoration on the trench. MR. LOPATKA: It would make sense. And I don't think you want to go ripping it up because then you have to put basin. MR. HOOVER: And there's also a problem with some PP&L lines that are right, like three inches from the pave. MR. LOPATKA: Were they PP&L? MR. HOOVER: Cable TV or something. MR. LOPATKA: Communication lines. They're only three inches below the pave. So if you : MR. HOOVER: If you take the trench out, you're gonna hit every one of them. MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. MR. HOOVER: I just think, I mean, I don't know how you guys feel, but rather than doing four or five inches on the trench, I think we should put three inches on the road and then overlay the road. The only traffic that we get up there is the local traffic. It's not that it's a busy street. It's a dead-end street. MR. LOPATKA: It's the people that live there, yeah. 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. HOOVER: That's the only problem you're going have is the transition of the driveways. MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. MR. HOOVER: We'11 have to worry about that. We have to cut each driveway back a little bit. Transition them in. MR. NOTARI: So is the anticipation then that we will add that to our paving project next year? MR. HOOVER: We can. MR.-L LOPATKA: I mean, I would think that's the best bet. That's where you're going to get the best bang for your buck. You're going to have somebody come in and do a paving project, and you're going to get better numbers. I don't know if you can add that on. MR. HOOVER: Yeah, we can. We can add that on to it. MR. LOPATKA: Will they release that money to you guys as long as : MR. HOOVER: Yeah, all we have to do is invoice them. Send them a bill. MR. LOPATKA: How does that work 20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 with Leeward, though? MR. HOOVER: Leeward washes their hands. Leeward has nothing do with it. MR. LOPATKA: A11 right. MR. HOOVER: MaryLynn could just invoice them $65,000 for the overlay and the restoration of Sunny Drive, send us the check, and we could put that towards the paving program, and we could pay the difference of the Sunny Drive. MR. NOTARI: We just have to make sure that that money does go toward Sunny Drive. When we come up with our paving project for next year, and Sunny Drive is on the list, Sunny Drive can't get x'd. MR. HOOVER: No. MR. LOPATKA: Sunny Drive and Apache Drive. If we're going to do Apache the same way. You're going to do that intersection for Apache. MR. HOOVER: Yeah. MR. LOPATKA: And you're going to have to make sure both of them are getting done. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Bill, make 21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 sure we get it ready that they're going to give us the 65,000. ATTY. RINALDI: I was going to say, are you going to get the check? Do you have to sign off with -- who are they signed off with? Telecommunication? MR. HOOVER: Water company signed off with Leeward. Leeward will be out of it, and then we just send them a bill. And we'11 have to take responsibility for the road, and the water company won't be responsible. So that's when we get the check. MR. LOPATKA: Basically it's cutting them out of their responsibility. ATTY. RINALDI: As long as you get the check from Telecommunications. Right? Or are they going to get paid from Telecommunications and then they are sending you a check? MR. LOPATKA: No, this is only for the water line. MR. HOOVER: The water company. MR. LOPATKA: Telecommunication line is just below the pave. 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ATTY. RINALDI: So the water company is writing the check? MR. HOOVER: Yeah, the water company is writing the check. ATTY. RINALDI: So they need your permanent waiver fees, and when they do the waiver, get the check. MR. HOOVER: I talked them into it today. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else for Joe? Thank you, Joe. Christopher Hart, zoning code enforcement officer. We have his report. Chris, anything to add? MR. HART: No, nothing. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Does anybody have any questions for Chris? MR. BUTLER: Chris, did the planning commission have the meeting on that shed? MR. HART: No. Two of the members were out of town. It's a zoning, but they did agree that they would do it -- it's like the first or second week of December. So everybody is around, but I only have five 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 members right now on the board, and two of them are out of town, so. MR. BUTLER: Does anybody go to that meeting? MR. HART: It was canceled. The meeting had to get canceled. MR. BUTLER: But I mean, when they have a meeting. I mean, can I go to that meeting? MR. HART: Yeah, it's open to the public. It will be advertised and posted around, and you guys will have the advertisement for it as well. But yeah, they are thinking first or second week of December, and they'11 get it out of the way. MR. HOOVER: Just send us an email when these things are. Sometimes I would like to go to zoning. MR. HART: So now tomorrow night there's the guys coming in for the rezoning. MaryLynn told me it got moved to tomorrow. ATTY. RINALDI: Oh, I have it as the 17th. MR. HART: So did I, but she told me tomorrow. I'17 double check with her first 24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 thing in the morning. I'11 send a text to all of you. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Double check. have Thursday the 17th at 7:00 p.m. MR. HART: I have Thursday as well, but she told me today, sO I don't know if you called. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: 6:30 to 8:00. MR. HART: 6:30 to 8:00. I'11 send you guys a text tomorrow, send a group text to everybody, and confirm the time and date. She just told me just before. So I'11-let you guys know. But other than that, I don't have any other meetings. The only other thing I have coming up, the planning commission, Glenn Gress and his team, they are going to come to the planning commission meeting that I'm going have in December to present their project up on Keyser Avenue for that 32 acre property I was telling you guys about. He wants to bring a cold storage refrigeration company here. He is not moving. He just got a lot bigger. This will be his fifth location, and he wants to put his fifth location in 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 01d Forge. MR. LOPATKA: He didn't submit plans, did he? MR. HART: No, not yet. They are in the process of purchasing the property. BUT they will be at the planning commission meeting if any of you guys want to attend. I mean, that would be probably the best bet. This way all answers could be : or all questions could be asked. MR. NOTARI: Can we notify the residents on Amity Avenue that : when he is scheduled to come to planning. MR. HART: Yes. MR. NOTARI: Just sO we're aware and we make sure -- I'm sure we'11 all have an opinion, but make sure that everything is done the right way. MR. HART: Yeah. ATTY. RINALDI: There will be after the process, there will be a public hearing with you guys and all that. MR. HART: There's going to be some rezoning and stuff too sO it will be out to the public. 26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. HOOVER: December what? MR. HART: The second Tuesday of December, 13th. 7:00. But I'11 inform the neighbors. I'11 talk to them personally, and I'11 send a letter and give notice. MR. NOTARI: A letter will probably be best. That way it's official where they can't tell us that they didn't know. MR. HART: Absolutely. You got it. MR. NOTARI: Thank you. MR. BUTLER: Another question, Chris. What's going on behind Puckett's garage? What are they building on the back? MR. HART: Oh, that's in addition to Master Millwright there. They are putting up a : pretty much a big warehouse. Their operation got bigger and bigger, so they needed room to expand to a larger garage. So that was all done through BIU through the planning commission and everything. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else, Chris? MR. HART: Nothing. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody else have any questions for Chris? 27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Thank you, Chris. MR. HART: You're welcome. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Dave Lopatka, have any questions for engineer. Anybody Dave? Anything to add, Dave? MR. LOPATKA: No. I think : did MaryLynn leave you guys that proposed : (Simultaneous talking.) MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yeah, that's on the agenda tonight. MR. LOPATKA: A11 right. Yeah, that's it. MR. HOOVER: Dave, the paving program, the streets that we picked, there's like six of them on there, five or six. MR. LOPATKA: Okay. MR. HOOVER: I'm going to add Sunny Drive to it, and I'm going to add Apache Drive to it, and then I'11 send you the preliminary. They are going to think about it, but at least it will be preliminary. And next meeting, we'17 make it a definite which streets. MR. LOPATKA: A11 right. Do you 28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 want to give me the list just sO that I can see where they are at? MR. HOOVER: Yeah, I'11 send it to you. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone else have any questions for Dave? Thanks, Dave. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Chief Dubernas. We do have the chief's report. Anything to add, Chief? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yeah, just a few things. So after our last meeting and our conversation, I was able to get four officers in that NASRO class in Archbald for December. So it would be December 12th through the 16th. That's the SRO class. So on that -- also, I forgot on the monthly report, I forget to put the abandoned vehicles. We had removed four of them for October. And the final thing, too. The sergeant's test is December 2nd. It's a Friday at 10:00 here proctored by the civil service commission. 29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. NOTARI: Chief, those abandoned vehicles, are they coming off the streets? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yes, off the streets. MR. NOTARI: Good work. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Chief, the SRO training, you're sending four. We already have two certified? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Two, and I'm sending four. Two full-timers, two part-timers. The two part-timers I'm sending are my guys that normally cover day shifts. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any questions for the chief? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Then I'11 start looking for another class, when they are going to be held in the area, to send a couple more. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else, Chief? CHIEF DUBERNAS: That's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Thank you. Bill Stull, assistant fire chief. We have your report. Anything to add? 30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. STULL: No, nothing at all. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have any questions for Bill? MR. NOTARI: I - do. Bill, on the report under : you have life safety inspections of the duplex of six duplex two families and one multifamily three unit. They all have violations. Are they -- what happens? Do you go in and report a violation? They need to obviously fix that, but what happens if they don't? MR. STULL: It gets turned over to Chris. MR. NOTARI: So you give them a certain amount of time? MR. STULL: We give them 30 days. Depending on how many violations they have, goup to 30 days, and if we have to go back after 30 days, we'11 see where they are at. We might extend it out, but if it takes more than 60 days, everything gets turned over to Chris. MR. NOTARI: Then you would take the landlord to the magistrate for violation of safety? 31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. HART: Yeah, I'11 send a letter out first, and then I'11 give them 15 days to respond on that. Most of them are out-of-town. I have been having some decent luck with them coming in and actually meeting me, to be honest. If they do, then I'17 end it there and I'11 allow them to do the work. And if they don't, if it goes past 15, then it goes right to the magistrate. Lately, we actually have been having some decent luck that. We. got a guy in from New York with 15 properties that were pretty bad, and they actually -- I just got them turned over to ERA, and ERA is actually managing them for him, and he has money going into accounts. So ERA, I just notify the guy that's maintaining the property, and they put the money right into it. MR. NOTARI: And so we're registering those properties in a list of what we have. MR. HART: Yeah, we're starting a list now. We'11 start to build a list with tenants; obviously landlords; good contacts 32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and everything like that; location. And then now we're starting with tenants. Tenants change, but as soon as we get everything going with the rental, they'11 be notified. MR. NOTARI: So if any of these properties that the fire department are inspecting and fire violations are vacant, do we then not allow them to be rented until the violations are solved? MR. HART: So the vacant ones we really haven't been getting into. A lot of the vacant ones are actually going up for sale. A lot of them are sold, believe it or not, that you wouldn't even know of. Right here on Oak Street, four of them went already. There's another four that are actually going, and they are actually locals that we are working with. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Can I ask you a question, and not to interrupt you, when you say four, four buildings or four units? MR. HART: Four buildings. Four of them just went. They just closed within the past month. I don't know if you sawover 33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 there right up from Dooley's, that one got started. They are redoing that. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I saw some work going on. MR. HART: Anthony Piccolini and a couple investors are actually : they are trying to buy up anything they possibly can on Oak Street, specifically Oak Street for right now, including Bobby Barcola who just completed his project. So I have been working with them trying to get them in touch with landlords and everything. So it's actually been working out pretty well lately. MR. NOTARI: Good. Thank you. MR. BUTLER: Bill, what about the houses that are abandoned and nobody's living in them? Can we go in there. MR. STULL: There's nothing the fire department can do on those. They are privately owned. It doesn't even fall under our jurisdiction at all. MR. BUTLER: So basically it don't matter if they are a fire trap or not? MR. STULL: As long as nobody's 34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 living in them. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So, Bill, what's the solution if there's an abandoned property? Contact the landlord? ATTY. RINALDI: If there's no utilities, he can condemn it, and then as long as the windows are boarded up, and it's sealed tight, it's not falling down. That's what they are required to do. Nobody has to live it in per se. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: How do we make certain that no one is living in it without being able to get into it? ATTY. RINALDI: If there's no water there and there's no electric and nobody's living there : MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'm just saying. ATTY. RINALDI: But I mean, is there a - reason it needs to be condemned? MR. BUTLER: Yeah, it's falling apart. ATTY. RINALDI: Okay. Well maybe he can take a look at it. MR. NOTARI: Give Chris the address. 35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. BUTLER: Ray Street property. It's down right below the hose company where the lady has abandoned house on either side of her, and both of them are falling down. MR. HART: They are both owned by the tow truck guy. MR. BUTLER: No, he owns one. Scott Carey owns the other one. MR. HART: Right. But at the end of the day, I mean, determining if they are structurally sound, it's kind of hard without, you know, going onto the property. It's the only thing it would still be trespassing on their end. I mean, a lot of these houses are condemned. There's houses that have been condemned for about four or five years now in town, you know, that are just sitting there boarded up, but unfortunately, I don't know why owners don't want to, you know, get rid of it. MR. NOTARI: Why are they condemned? Do we know? If they are a dangerous structure, they can be torn down. ATTY. RINALDI: Well, if it's condemned because it's unhabitable because 36 there's no water, electric utilities, that doesn't mean that it's -- well, it's unhabitable. That's why it's condemned. But for it to be torn down, it's a different issue. It depends on, you know, what the 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 structure is like. MR. STULL: We just condemned one what was it in August. On South Main Street. Yeah. MR. HART: Yeah, right there on South Main Street. ATTY. RINALDI: I think those two properties you're talking about, one's in the back. That's Carey's in the back. The other one in the front, I think, is a foreclosure. MR. HART: It was bought up by : it purchased : the tow truck guy. CHIEF DUBERNAS: Pisko. MR. HART: Andy Pisko. He owns one. ATTY. RINALDI: Get both of them. See what the status is. MR. HART: If I can get in on structure, but I mean, then trying to get them to take them down, that's the hard 37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 part. I mean you're talking $30,000 out of somebody's pocket, and that's why they just board them up and let them go. You know, they are structurally sound, but : MR. NOTARI: What did we do with the (inaudible) property at that time? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Somebody purchased it. MR. NOTARI: Somebody did purchase it? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yeah, they purchased it after. we condemned it. MR. HART: We bought it. MR. LENCESKI: The neighbor bought it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We tore it down. MR. HART: That was my only other thought. I don't know grants or anything or program -- grants or programs that we could get money to knock them down. MR. NOTARI: I think the Land Dank kind of helps with that, but again, it has to be our property. It can't be a private property. 38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ATTORNEY RINALDI: The Land Bank can buy them at the tax sale. MR. BUTLER: My next question would be, how do we know that it's structurally sound or not if we can't get on the property to look at? ATTORNEY RINALDI: Well, I mean, if you see that the roof is caved in, that's an issue. You know, the times we have done it, they were pretty obvious. The foundation is eaten away. I forget one Dave inspected. It was a foundation issue. Certainly, if there's a roof that's caved in, you know, that's an issue. I can't think of any other ones we've had. I mean, if it's a fire, we usually get the : there's no insurance we have the insurance check to tear it down. So then we usually move onto those. MR. BUTLER: I know Carey's house has no water in it because I saw the paper where the water company shut off the water because the water bill was $828. MR. HART: And there's a Tot of them. I have been working with the sewer authority on these properties, as well as me 39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 sending lists over every single week on the properties that the water was turned off. I send a letter, but like I said, at the end of day, we leave them abandoned and board them up, and I just don't know where we can go from there. MR. BUTLER: If it's structurally sound, you're required to, you know, board up the windows and make it tight so that nobody can get in. MR. HOOVER: What if they are not structurally sound and people don't want to do it? They just get away with it? MR. HART: That's the problem. I mean, I have one in court and the roof caved in. They don't have the money. MR. BUTLER: You know, $828 there must be a pipe broke in the house, and the water is just shooting all over the place. MR. HART: But like I said, I've been trying to get somebody to come up with that kind of money. MR. NOTARI: You would be surprised. MR. BUTLER: Well, the reason the tag was on the door was that there was too 40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 much water being used. So again, that tells me a pipe broke inside the house. MR. HART: But like I said, once again, you're trying to get them to put up that kind of money. I don't know any other option. MR. BUTLER: He isn't in the house. How is he using water for anything else? MR. HART: But, like I said, if the guy doesn't have money to take it down, what do you do? I mean, you're not talking a couple hundred. You're talking tens of thousands of dollars. You know, I don't know if there's any other option. MR. BUTLER: Probably let the house get condemned. MR. HART: They've been like that. MR. BUTLER: In the meantime, this lady's got to live between these two houses that are : nobody's living in that are basically falling apart slowly but surely. So she just has to hope they just cave in some day. MR. NOTARI: What was the one? Scott Carey you said? 41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. - BUTLER: Scott Carey and Pisko. That's what the girl told me that lives in between them. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Why don't we send Dave to them to check both of them to see if they're structurally sound? MR. LOPATKA: I mean, can you get in them? MR. HART: I can get in touch with them. I have both their phone numbers. I could reach out. MR. BUTLER: Scott Carey's house has garbage stacked up six feet on each side of his back porch. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: That's a zoning issues. ATTY. RINALDI: That's a code issue. The garbage is a code issue. MR. HART: But like I said, getting rid of the house, I don't know any way we could, you know. MR. NOTARI: So he has two houses, lives in one? Something like that? MR. BUTLER: He moved out to his mother's house just let to that house go. 42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So why don't we send Dave over to those two on Ray Street and get a hold of them and let Dave check them out and see if they are structurally sound or not. MR. BUTLER: We can do that. Start with that. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else? MR. BUTLER: No, that's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone have any other questions for Assistant Chief Stull? Thanks, Bill. Attorney Rinaldi, we have your report. Anything to add? ATTY. RINALDI: No, I was going to remind you about the planning meeting, but I also want to make sure you tell Joe Campolieto it moved because he wants to be at it. MR. HART: Okay. ATTY. RINALDI: And just a note to schedule the special, meeting for 7:00 before the work session on December 6th. Otherwise, nothing else to add. 43 I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have any questions for the solicitor? Thanks, Bill. Before we go into new business, we'11 move into public comment. Maria Gething. How are you? Good evening. MS. GETHING: I'm here about Apollo Drive. I live on Apollo Drive, and recently there's been four of us that have gotten tickets for parking face down instead of face up. And I don't know if anybody's been up that way that goes that way. It's : you go in and it comes back and you come back down. The road is kind of shaped like what your platform is up there. And it's hard, like, to park backing up because you're kind of : it's not straight, and you're backing it into a : like, a half circle. But that's : the point is I'm trying to make is that the tenants are the only ones that really could go in through there, and you could only fit one car either going up or coming down. If one is coming down, you have to go to the side and let them pass. 44 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And : MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You're talking about -- I don't mean to interrupt you. I'm sorry : Apollo Drive behind : MS. GETHING: Yeah. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: In the housing development. MS. GETHING: Yeah. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Lackawanna County Housing. MS. GETHING: Yeah. And now with winter. approaching, I live right in the middle of where the turn is. And now with winter coming with the snow and stuff, to start off in that middle there to go up the hill to around, I'm afraid I'm going to get stuck and I'm not going to get to work, for one thing. And then another thing is to park that way, you can't see cars coming up from Henderson or coming up to Apollo Drive because it's like a blind spot. So it makes it a little bit : not a little bit, but it makes it unsafe of getting hit. If you're up there, you know, trying to see to get up 45 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to pull out. We have been parking like that -- I have been there for three years, and we have always parked facing down. People who have been there for 12 years have said that they have been parking the same way. We just recently start getting ticketed. And I understand that you're supposed to park in the direction of traffic, but this way, you're going : the traffic : you're going in that way, but you're still coming out the same way, and you can't park on the other side of the street. You could only park on that left side of the street. What I'm asking is there a way we can get to park facing down sO we can get out. When the garbage men come, like, we have to wait : because I have to get out and go to work, and they're there. If I park the other way once they pass where we are, I can go to work. Otherwise, we have to wait until they down all come back around, come back down, which I take the chance of being late for work. So what I'm asking is if we can park 46 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the way we've been parking. And if you can't do it all the time, can we do it at least in the wintertime sO that we don't get stuck in that middle to turn around to go to work. There's about five of us, I think, that live in there on that road that actually go to work. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So you're saying that the cars are parking facing down on the wrong side of the road? MS. GETHING: That's how we were parking, yes. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: And that's how they were getting ticketed? MS. GETHING: That's how we got ticketed, yes. That's the way we have been parking for 12 years. MR. NOTARI: Is there not-off street parking there? MS. GETHING: There's a couple of spots, but they are taken. And those people that take them don't go to work. Sometimes the cars don't move for days. So we are right on that road. CHIEF DUBERNAS: So she's asking 47 1 2 3 for, like, the exemption I think that we have on the 600 block of George Street. That we allow them to park on the opposite side down the hill sO they are not starting off on the middle of the hill for the winter months. Like November 1st to, I think, April 1st or something like that. 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So that's mainly during the winter months? MS. GETHING: Well, during, you know, the other months too because it's hard to park your car straight -when the road is in that : curb is like that. You know, it's not straight. So you're not straight. So you're either going to be cockeyed with your front end sticking out or you're going to be curved because I can't get in there to make my car straight. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So, Chief, if we are going to consider some type of exemption, would you have to go there and do a traffic stop? CHIEF DUBERNAS: No. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: How about we send the Chief down, let him look at it. If 48 1 2 3 he has to, he can contact you or some of the other neighbors who are involved with it, and then get some information. Obviously he's going to look at it and see the best way to see if he can help you out. 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. GETHING: Okay. Like, I've been saying the only people that really go in there are the people that live there. And, you know, emergencies, garbage people, you know, the garbage men. But other than that, it's not a main road for people to come through because it's only really where the tenants are, and there's no other way to get out. There's no back road to get out. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Right. It's just the cul-de-sac that turns around and comes right back. MR. NOTARI: Are all the spots taken on the street? MS. GETHING: On the street. MR. NOTARI: Yeah. MS. GETHING: No. There's not a lot. They are taken, but : MR. NOTARI: But I'm saying, you're saying you have trouble your car sticking 49 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 out on the street. MS. GETHING: It could stick out on the street, yes. MR. NOTARI: So you have to parallel park because there's many cars parked on the street? MS. GETHING: Where we are, there's like four of us right at the vicinity where I live. And then there's off-street parking. Then there's more. But right where I am is actually where it's more of a curve. MR. NOTARI: Okay. MS. GETHING: If it was straight, if we had a straight part of it : MR. NOTARI: Understood. MR. BUTLER: Is there street parking for every unit or no? MR. HOOVER: I think you have to have two cars per unit. So two parking spots for each unite. If four people live there, there's not enough parking spots for every unit. MS. GETHING: Right. This is my opinion. I - don't know why they cut it off 50 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the way they cut it off. The street : like Is said, it's just small enough for one vehicle. I don't know why they extended it further and make spots like across the street, off street parking off the street, that would have probably eliminated the parking on the street where we wouldn't be parking the wrong way. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Let us send the chief down. If you want, before you leave, give him your number, just sO he can contact you if he has any questions to ask you or you want to ask him. Let him go down and take a look and then he'17 bring us something back for the next meeting. MS. - GETHING: Okay. Thank you. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else? MS. GETHING: No, that's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You're welcome. Pamela Evans. How are you, Pam? MS. EVANS: Good. How are you? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Good. Thank you. MS. EVANS: Good. Okay. First 51 thing is I see that the ordinance was filed. Okay. But it doesn't tell me what was filed. So were all three properties included in the zoning? A11 three 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 properties? MR. HART: Yes. MS. EVANS: Okay. And all violations. So the dilapidated foundation to that building? MR. HART: Health and sanitation on all of them. MS. EVANS: But I. want to make sure everything because last time you didn't put everything. MR. HART: The properties are all listed to be cleaned up. A11 of the properties that he has are on your property are listed to be cleaned under health and sanitation for the garbage and all the debris laying around. MS. EVANS: Okay. And the trailers? MR. HART: The trailers are in there as well. MS. EVANS: Okay. And you said that they were legal? 52 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. HART: Yes, that's what his attorney provided me. MS. EVANS: Okay. So when I emailed Attorney Rinaldi, he told me that trailers are temporary structures and are allowed in R1 -- R1A R2 zones as special exemptions only. So the property that's on West Morton Street is R1A. So that would have to be approved by zoning. Now, would you require a permit for that? ATTY. RINALDI: He would have to come to the zoning hearing board and apply for a special exception. MS. EVANS: Okay. And did he do that? MR. HART: No. MS. EVANS: Okay. So that's another issue that I have. MR. HART: He's in court for that. MS. EVANS: He's in court for that, but MR. HART: That property is back there in court. MS. EVANS: Okay. 53 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. HART: For the trailer. MS. EVANS: I agree. But the last time you told me that they were all legal. So I wanted to ensure that you put them all in there, all of the violations. Because the last time we all submitted them, you picked one property, and only certain violations. Am I correct with that? MR. HART: Correct. MS. EVANS: Okay. MR. HART: I : also called you to explain all of this to you, like I said I would. MS. - EVANS: Okay. But remember at the last meeting I said : MR. HART: Mr. Rinaldi is aware of that because I called him right after and told him. MS. EVANS: Okay. Remember at the last meeting I said that it would be via email, and we all agreed because he doesn't tell me the truth. So rather than him say that, Febbo and whoever else was up here agreed to email me. You told him that you contacted me. You have not contacted me 54 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 since the last meeting. MR. HART: Okay. I have no comment on any of this. If you guys want to talk. MS. EVANS: You said you that contacted me. MR. HART: I have nothing to say on this matter. It's in court. That's where it stands. MS. EVANS: Okay. I understand that. But my thing is, how can I work with him? He told you that he contacted me. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: He did. MS. EVANS: At the last meeting, we agreed it would be email. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Let me rephrase that. He told me he contacted you. Idon't know if he contacted you. MS. EVANS: He didn't. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Okay. MS. EVANS: He called me on November 1st. I C didn't answer because I'm not going to say something and him say I said something else because this is what we're going through. MR. NOTARI: Timeout. You want him 55 to contact you. He called you. You didn't 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 answer. MS. EVANS: No. He was supposed to contact me via email. We agreed on that last meeting, and you were one of the people who also agreed. I C said everything through email. I'm not going have a conversation with him because he tells me one thing and then says he says something else. So we agreed on that, and he was sitting here when we agreed on that, and then he didn't contact me until November 1st at 2:35 or whatever it was. MR. NOTARI: Let me stop you there. And I understand -- I understand that you're upset, and I understand that there's problems that need to be rectified, but I'm going to be quite honest with you. In my opinion, I don't think Chris needs to keep you in the loop tep-by-step-by-steP. I think Chris needs to do his job for this Borough and make sure that the codes are being followed to the way they are in the book. You have brought a problem to our 56 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 attention. You have brought the problem to his attention. A11 right. He, from our understanding, is following the steps that need to be done. If you don't believe that, then you have every right to come here and tell us that. MS. EVANS: Right. But : MR. NOTARI: Again : let me finish. MS. EVANS: Okay. MR. NOTARI: My opinion, I do not believe he needs to hold your hand throughout this whole- process, and that's what you're asking him. You're asking him to keep you informed every step of the way. That's not his job. His job is to keep us informed every step of the way. MS. EVANS: Okay. I agree. MR. NOTARI: And if he is not doing that, then we need to sit him down and make sure that he does. However :- however, you're asking him to contact you constantly with things that are being filed and things that are going on. In my opinion, that's not his job nor his responsibility. MS. EVANS: I am not asking him. He 57 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 said that he would notify me when he filed it. And then he told Rinaldi that he notified me : MR. NOTARI: Mr. Rinaldi. MS. - EVANS: Mr. Rinaldi, correct. He told him that he notified me. He didn't. He said that he was going to notify me when he re-filed. He did not. I'm not asking MR. NOTARI: Well, that's on him, and that's something you need to address with us, not with him. MS. EVANS: I am addressing. MR. NOTARI: No, you're speaking to him. Just address us. MS. EVANS: Okay. MR. NOTARI: And again, that's the way I feel. MS. EVANS: Okay. That's fine. So the trailer is in : it's in court now. My other question is, the meeting minutes. What is the timeframe and why are the meeting minutes not updated since July? Like, who does that? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Meaning the meeting minutes on the website? 58 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. EVANS: The council meeting minutes, correct. MR. HOOVER: We've had problems here. The wi-fi in this building was just fixed -- in this room was just turned on last week. That's why we couldn't use these laptops because there was a problem with the wi-fi. This wi-fi has been a problem for the last six months. Since July -- I don't know the minutes haven't been on since July. That, I don't know. But for the last six months, with this building being put up here, a lot of things haven't been put on the website, including the minutes. So is that our fault? Probably, yeah. But if you need to take a look at the minutes, just call MaryLynn, and she'11 give them to you. MS. - EVANS: I called last time when Idid need them, and they told me I had to wait until they were posted or pay for them. And it was more than a month after they were approved. MR. NOTARI: We have to address that, too. 59 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You don't have to wait until they are posted. You have to wait until we got them. MS. EVANS: Right, but they were approved when I needed the June minutes, and they just kept giving me the runaround on them. So you're saying once they are approved, if they are not posted, I could call here and get a copy of them? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. MS. EVANS: Without paying for them? MR. NOTARI: Yes, and they should be posted once they are approved. MS. EVANS: Right. So the meeting minutes is because of wi-fi, but if they are approved, then I can obtain a copy when I call. And just tell -- is it MaryLynn is gonna give them to me? Is that who I would contact? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yeah, or one of her secretaries, but they would discuss it with her if you got ahold of the secretaries, and then she would handle it from there. MS. EVANS: Okay. Because the last 60 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 time, they told me I could not get them until they were posted. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Posted on the website? MS. EVANS: On the website, correct. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: They might have made a mistake, and I can't answer for them, but I'm just guessing : MS. EVANS: She told me I had to pay for them. I'm like, they were already approved. It was like weeks after they were approved. We were already approaching the next council meeting. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'm just saying, when she said posted, she might have meant until we get the copy of them. MS. EVANS: So after they are approved, a week later I can obtain them? ATTY. RINALDI: So if you make a right-to-know request, you can get the printed out minutes. I don't know what she puts on the website. But if you want copies from the office, you have to write in a request, I want these meeting minutes. MS. EVANS: Okay. And then I don't 61 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 have to pay for them? ATTY. RINALDI: No, they are going to be whatever she charges a page. MS. EVANS: It was like 35 or 40 dollars. ATTY. RINALDI: Stuff that's on the internet, you can download it, but they are pretty thick. I ( don't know if they go on there. MS. EVANS: They don't. So what I'm saying is because they are not posted, I don't think that a month after they are approved, I should have to pay for them. It's public knowledge; am I correct? ATTY. RINALDI: Well, you have to pay for anything of a right-to-know request if it's over X number of pages. MS. EVANS: No, but they should be posted. ATTY. RINALDI: Like I said, I don't know if she posts them because they are very thick, and I don't know how much bandwidth we have. I don't think she : MR. NOTARI: Yeah, it's a PDF. ATTY. RINALDI: Okay. So you can 62 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 just hit click and try and download it. MS. EVANS: Right, and I could do that, but since July, they are not posted. MR. NOTARI: We'17 take care of it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We'11 talk to her. Maybe she was having a problem with the website. We'11 check everything out since you brought it to our attention. MS. EVANS: Okay. Thank you. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'm not sure when we got back up and running. Even when you were sending me a few emails. Remember? MS. EVANS: Yes. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We couldn't even get into our iPads. MS. EVANS: Right. But all of the emails are working now? MR. NOTARI: Yes, iPads are back. MR. - RUSSELL RINALDI: As of today, I'm pretty sure I could say mine is working. And I think they are all. As of today mine is -- because they've been going in and out for a while. Any other items, ma'am? 63 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. EVANS: No, that's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: No other public comment? We'11 move into new business. MR. REZZINO: I have a question. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Oh. Did you want to speak, sir? MR. REZZINO: I just want to ask you a - question about what you just spoke about. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Could you state your name, please. MR. REZZINO: Yes. Rezzino, James. You said that you've had no internet for : or access to your email for the past five months or so. Are you saying basically any communication has been no with the public or with any outside sources if anybody has been sending you emails? MR. HOOVER: Emails in the building have been working, but our iPads haven't been. MR. NOTARI: And not the last five months, the last two. MR. REZZINO: So there's been a breakdown in communication with : 64 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 obviously, if you can't upload something like that, the minutes, there would be probably done over a base unit. It wouldn't be done over wi-fi. Would it? That would be done :- MR. HOOVER: No. The reason we couldn't get on our iPads was one of the issues was the wi-fi. That was just one issue. MR. NOTARI: In this room. MR. HOOVER: In this room. We got that fixed. MR. REZZINO: Over : they wouldn't they would go from the computer up. MR. HOOVER: If there was something that was in dire need, she would send us a text or send us something that we needed to look at, and we would get the information. MR. REZZINO: And that affected the minutes too because : MR. HOOVER: No, the minutes were always done. They were done. I don't know why they weren't on the website, why they didn't put them on. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Are you asking 65 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 why the minutes may not have been loaded to the website? The website was under construction. And then while the building was under construction, the website was under construction, we got : our iPads had to be sent back because they're government iPads. They had to be sent back, and they had to be fixed because we had changed email email carriers : email access. And once we did that -- it took a little bit, to be honest with you. I can't answer why. The borough manager would have a better answer. But for about two months there with the iPads, we were having a hard time accessing emails. We were receiving some; we weren't. We could log in; we couldn't. There was something with our IT guy or our IT company we use. MR. REZZINO: Okay. Wasn't there problems with the phone communication in the building too? Like, people weren't getting their messages? They were going to different people? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yep. MR. REZZINO: So this has been - 66 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 this was an ongoing from the beginning of the year at least, I believe. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: That would have to come from the borough manager. I couldn't give you an exact answer on how long for the office. I - don't think it was that long, but : MR. REZZINO: Have we eventually sorted out : but if messages left could have taken months if not -- to get eventually to somebody if : MR. NOTARI: Sir, have you left a message and not received an answer? MR. REZZINO: I have been told that the messages were being shifted. MR. NOTARI: That's not my question, sir. Did you leave a message here at the borough building and did not receive an answer from someone? MR. REZZINO: Yes. MR. NOTARI: So do you have a problem? What's your question? MR. REZZINO: It's beyond that, but it's been : it's been earlier. It was an earlier issue that there's nothing that 67 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it's beyond that. It's not about that, but it was earlier on. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I think what Councilman Notari is asking : MR. NOTARI: Do you have a question for us tonight? Do you need anything? MR. REZZINO: I was asking you the question about the communication that you said : MR. NOTARI: Yes, we've had a problem with communication. MR. REZZINO: And that was the question I was asking. MR. NOTARI: And that's the answer. MR. REZZINO: That you brought up, and I was just asking for clarification, and you clarified it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: No, I think he was asking : when you called in the past and left a message and didn't get a response back, what was your question back then. Do you want to ask it now? MR. REZZINO: No, that's into something else already. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Okay. That's 68 what I thought you were asking. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. NOTARI: So that issue was solved? MR. REZZINO: I'm assuming since January it's been progressed. MR. NOTARI: You're not going to tell us what it is? MR. REZZINO: No, no, no. It's MR. NOTARI: Because we have had meetings continually through COVID through our time outside of this building twice a month, and we have not heard from you, sir, about any issue that you have had. MR. REZZINO: No, no, no, no, no. I'm not -- I didn't : no, no, no. MR. NOTARI: You didn't what, sir? MR. REZZINO: I didn't know. I'm just asking you a question. And you answered it. MR. NOTARI: Okay. Thank you. Can we move on now, Mr. Chairman. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Any other questions, sir? MR. REZZINO: Not right now. Not right now, but I will next meeting. 69 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. NOTARI: Very good. We'11 be here. MR. REZZINO: I'11 get my notes. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Thank you. With that said, we're going to move into new business. First item under new business is a resolution to hire an architect for the senior center renovation project. The Chairman will entertain a motion for a resolution approving a professional contractor architectural services for renovations to the first and second floor of the senior center : the senior center project with the Borough of 01d Forge and Potter K: Architecture and Design in the Borough of 01d Forge, Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania. MR. HOOVER: I'17 make that motion. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Hoover. MR. BUTLER: Second. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by Councilman Butler. On the question. MR. NOTARI: On the question, 70 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Mr. Chairman, do we have a number. Did I miss the number? The cost? MR. LOPATKA: It's the last page or second to last page. I think it was broke down by phase. This page. Third to last. Broken down to three things. MR. NOTARI: I have a problem with the traffic costs. We're going to pay all this money to have this person design and architect and do all the work, and they are going to charge us per mile from where they are located. Is that standard, Dave? MR. LOPATKA: Honestly, it is. Honestly, I don't think that they are going to make all that many trips here during the design phase of the project. They are probably going to come measure sO that they have all the dimensions, and then they design off of that. It won't be like a daily trip coming to the Borough building. MR. NOTARI: Okay. A11 right. That's my only question. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So, Bill, those three phases, that's the estimated 71 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 cost that they are saying? ATTY. RINALDI: Yep. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Okay. For the record, phase one is $2,950; phase two is $3,450; and phase three is $2,500; with an estimated cost of $8,400. Motion by Councilman Hoover. Second by Councilman Butler. On the question. Public input. Roll call, please. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover. MR HOOVER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Bill, the next two items, we have to add them to agenda first. ATTY. RINALDI: Why don't you just make a motion and direct MaryLynn to follow through. She can handle that. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Okay. Next 72 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 item under new business will be a motion to approve the Apache Drive stormwater project that's located in front of Mrs. Strazik's house. MR. BUTLER: Are you going put it where she wants it? Like, right in front of the driveway? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: It's right in the middle of the driveway. MR. LOPATKA: Right where that low spot is. That's where she wanted it. That's where it's going. MR. BUTLER: Okay. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the floor? MR. HOOVER: I'11 make the motion. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Hoover. MR. BUTLER: I'17 second. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by Councilman Butler. On the question. MR. NOTARI: I want the drain to be put where it's going to work best. MR. BUTLER: That's where it's going 73 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to work best. MR. NOTARI: Okay. I want it where it's going to work best, not necessarily where the resident wants something. That's all I have. MR. HOOVER: Dave. MR. LOPATKA: Yes, sir. MR. HOOVER: Where is it going to work best? MR. LOPATKA: I mean, I think that spot is the best. We originally had it designed on the upper part on the high side of the driveway sO water wouldn't get in front of the driveway, but she is saying it's coming across the street. I was out there. I didn't witness it coming straight across the street, but if that's where the water is coming into her property, and that's where she is comfortable with it, I don't have a problem with where it's at honestly. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Like Councilman Notari said, though : MR. LETTIERI: We had stated that multiple times that it's coming across the 74 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 street. So if we put it on the top, and it's coming across the street, it's not going to do anything. MR. LOPATKA: Right. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Like Councilman Notari said, it has to go where the best place is going to catch the water. So if that's the place best : MR. BUTLER: The water is going to come right in between the two drains -- I'17 guarantee it : if we put it by her mailbox. MR. LOPATKA: I don't disagree. I know that there's a low spot right in that spot. MR. HOOVER: Right between the two drains. MR. LOPATKA: Which is fine. We were down there, and the survey shows the water coming along the edge of the cave. You know, whether it comes across the street : MR. BUTLER: When it's drizzling. I was down there in the downpour. MR. LOPATKA: Well, if it's downpour, then that's where coming. 75 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. BUTLER: That's the only time that she gets water is when it really rains hard. MR. NOTARI: I was down there, and there wasn't a drop going down the driveway. MR. BUTLER: Chris Hart was there with his camera. MR. NOTARI: You can show me any video you want. I have been there too in the pouring rain, and I haven't seen a drop roll down the driveway. So again, if Dave agrees it's in the best spot. MR. LOPATKA: It's fine where it's at. MR. NOTARI: Then that's fine. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Hoover. Second by Councilman Butler. On the question. Public input. Roll call, please. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover. MR HOOVER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. 76 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Next item will be a motion to advertise on December 6th of 2022 at 7:00 p.m. a special meeting before our work session. MR. NOTARI: I'17 make that motion, Mr. Chairman. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: For any and all business. Motion on the floor by Councilman Notari. MR. BUTLER: I'11 second. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by Councilman Butler. On the question, public input. Roll call, please. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover. MR HOOVER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. 77 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. No more items under new business. We'11 go down the table to see if any council members have anything to add before we adjourn. Councilman Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Not at this time. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Councilman Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes. I would like to add to new business. I would like to make a motion to add Sam Ceccacci as a secondary grant writer at no cost to the Borough just to give us another option in case Mrs. Hatala is working on something and can't help us pursue a grant that the Borough may need to pursue. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Notari. MR. BUTLER: I second that. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Second by 78 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Councilman Butler. On the question, public input. Roll call, please. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Butler. MR. BUTLER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover. MR HOOVER: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri. MR. LETTIERI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Notari. MR. NOTARI: Yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yes. Councilman Notari, anything else? MR. NOTARI: I have nothing else. Thank you. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You're welcome. Councilman Butler. MR. BUTLER: No, I'm good. Thank you. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Councilman Hoover. MR. HOOVER: No, I'm good. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I have no 79 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 items. Just to inform the public, council had an executive session after our last meeting, and we're going to break it tonight into an executive session as well, both for personnel matters. If nothing else, the chair will entertain a motion to adjourn. MR. NOTARI I'17 make that motion. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Notari. A11 in favor? (Unanimous. Meeting adjourned.) 80 1 2 3 4 CERIIFICATE. 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