1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 OLD FORGE BOROUGH COUNCIL IN RE: SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL HELD: Thursday, July 27, 2023 TIME: 5:30 P.M. ORIGINAL LOCATION: OLD FORGE MUNICIPAL BUILDING 310 South Main Street 01d Forge, Pennsylvania COUNCIL MEMBERS: RUSSELL RINALDI, President RICK NOTARI MICHELE AVVISATO MICHAEL LETTIERI LOUIS FEBBO ANDREW BUTLER MARYLYNN BARTOLETTI, Borough Manager WILLIAM RINALDI, Esquire, Solicitor MICHELLE SMOLSKIS OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RINALDI: Good evening everyone. I'd like to begin with the Pledge of Allegiance, please. (Pledge of Allegiance.) MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please, MaryLynn. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman Avvisato? MS. AVVISATO: Here. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler? MR. BUTLER: Here. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Febbo? MR. FEBBO: Here. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover is absent. Councilman Lettieri? MR. LETTIERI: Present. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari? MR. NOTARI: Present. MS. - BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Here. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, welcome tonight, Thursday, July 27, 2023. We're going to begin the public hearing for our proposed LERTA 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 request from Mr. George Dunbar and Holly Ridge Estates. To open up the public hearing, I'm going to need a motion. MR. BUTLER: I'11 make a motion. MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Butler. MR. FEBBO: I'17 second it. MR. RINALDI: Second by Councilman Febbo. On the question? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Public input? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please, MaryLynn. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Avvisato? MS. AVVISATO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler? MR. BUTLER: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Febbo? MR. FEBBO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Lettieri? MR. LETTIERI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari? 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. NOTARI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. Bill, if you would like to just take us through the steps? ATTY. RINALDI: Sure. So, at the last : actually, two meetings ago, Mr. Dunbar, representing Holly Ridge Estates, requested that the Borough Council entertain a LERTA, which is a program that is being authorized by the State which is called, it's actually the full title is the Local Economic Revitalization Tax Assistance. It enables a developer or a property owner to improve a deteriorated industrial, commercial or other business property. So, pursuant to that, prior to the Council entertaining a LERTA, the Council has to determine if the property is deteriorated. So, in order to do that, we're holding this public meeting sO that Council can hear input from all those involved as to why this property is deteriorated, in addition to what they already know about the property in terms of it's abandoned Pennsylvania coal company, and the planning commission had previously, for 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 another state program, recommended to Council and designated it as blight. So, with that being said, Mr. Chairman, we could proceed with the public hearing on hearing this specific property, which is located on Forge Street and Howard Street down by the river as a deteriorated property. MR. RINALDI: So, how we'17 handle the public hearing, we're going to give Mr. Dunbar and his associates a few moments to come up and address us, explain the property, let the public hear. We'17 let the public, if anyone from the public has any questions, we'11 let you ask us a few questions, we'11 let the Council ask a few questions, and then once we're all through, we'11 adjourn the public hearing. We're going to ask Mr. Dunbar and his associates, whoever you would like, to come forward first and explain your proposal. ATTY. GALLAGHER: Good evening, Council. I think you all know, my name is Mike Gallagher. I'm counsel for Mr. Dunbar and Holly Ridge Estates. 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 We're going to be brief tonight. We've been through two hearings on this already, or two meetings on this already. As counsel for the Council indicated, the property is at Howard Street and Forge Street in 01d Forge. It's an old coal mine property. It has been deteriorated for a number of years, nothing's been done with it. It had been declared as a blight property by the 01d Forge Planning Commission in 2009, by the school district in 2009, as well, and then Borough Council in 2010 and the County of Lackawanna in 2010. Nothing has changed with the property since that time. The blight condition has not been removed. It's our position that it is still a blighted property, that blight was never changed, and we're asking that Council move forward tonight and grant the LERTA. And that's about all we have unless Council has questions. MR. RINALDI: Does Council have any questions for Mr. Dunbar's attorney? MS. AVVISATO: No. ATTY. GALLAGHER: Okay. Thank you 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 very much. MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. Anyone from the public, would you like to comment or any questions? MR. LETTIERI: Jim. MR. RINALDI: Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see you. If you'd come up to the podium? Just state your name, please. SHANNON BLEDSOE, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: COURT REPORTER: Please state and spell your name. MS. BLEDSOE: Shannon Bledsoe, B-L-E-D-S-0-E. I'm here because my husband was unable to make the meeting because he's at work and he asked me to read what he had typed up in favor of Mr. Dunbar. Okay. Good evening, Council. I, Mike Bledsoe, am unable to attend the meeting due to work. I would like this statement to be put into record. I fully support the new proposed development of Mr. Dunbar. 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Here in 01d Forge we do not have what Moosic, Dickson City, Taylor or Pittston currently have. We don't have big retailers or warehouses. We also need to grow our borough. The last time I looked around 01d Forge, there is not much property to be able to develop. I - believe this will bring revenue to our borough, which, in my opinion, is much needed and it will also develop a horrible looking property. Mr. Dunbar's other properties are beautiful and I believe currently bring in more revenue than they have since they've been developed. This new development will help local businesses and bring in a lot to our community. Mr. Dunbar has also brought a lot to our community as he is a valuable part of this community. Thank you, Mr. Dunbar, for everything you have done and everything you continue to do and contribute to the community. Thank you for the time to hear what Ih have to say. Thank you. Michael Bledsoe. MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. We appreciate your comments. Let Mike know. 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. BLEDSOE: Okay. MR. RINALDI: Thank you. Anyone else? MICHAEL ZUPON, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: COURT REPORTER: Please state and spell your full name? MR. ZUPON: Michael Zupon, Z-U-P-0-N. MR. RINALDI: Good evening. MR. ZUPON: Good evening everybody. I just want to point out in Pennsylvania here, it seems like all the small towns are starting to lose population, the people are moving out of the area, where 01d Forge, right now, we have a chance to gain population, gain more taxes, gain everything. I think this is a win-win for everybody, this development, and I just want to go on record stating that. MR. RINALDI: Thanks, Mike. We appreciate your comments, as well. 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. ZUPON: Yep. Thank you. MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. Any other members of the public? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Before we adjourn the public hearing, Council, any other questions or concerns? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Attorney Rinaldi. ATTY. RINALDI: I would just note that we do have Planning Commission members present here at the meeting. They were notified. Zoning was notified. So, I'm going to assume their silence means they're not opposing the deteriorated area. MR. RINALDI: With that said, the Chair would entertain a motion to adjourn the public hearing. MS. AVVISATO: I'17 make that motion. MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilwoman Avvisato. MR. FEBBO: Second. MR. RINALDI: Seconded by Councilman Febbo. On the question? 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Public input? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman Avvisato? MS. AVVISATO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler? MR. BUTLER: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Febbo? MR. FEBBO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Lettieri? MR. LETTIERI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari? MR. NOTARI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. Council agree to do a brief executive session. We'11 be back out to start the special meeting soon. (At this time a brief recess was taken.) MR. RINALDI: Ladies and gentlemen, 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 before we begin, there's a public sign-in sheet here, if anyone would like to come up and sign. We'17 give you a few moments to speak. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, good evening. Thank you for being patient with us. The Chair is going to entertain a motion to open up the special meeting. MS. AVVISATO: I'11 make that motion, Mr. Chairman. MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilwoman Avvisato. MR. BUTLER: Second. MR. RINALDI: Seconded by Councilman Butler. On the question? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Public input? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please, MaryLynn. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman Avvisato? MS. AVVISATO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler? MR. BUTLER: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Febbo? 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. FEBBO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Lettieri? MR. LETTIERI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari? MR. NOTARI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. The purpose of the special meeting tonight is there's going to be a motion on the floor for an ordinance affixing the boundaries of a deteriorated area within the Borough of 01d Forge of a certain parcel of land located off Howard Street and Forge Street in the Borough of 01d Forge and identified as part of pin No. 18412-040-004 owned by Holly Ridge Estates granting exemptions from real estate property taxes for the cost of new construction or improvements of said parcel; setting forth an exemption schedule for each year for ten years; and procedure for obtaining said exemption pursuant to the Pennsylvania Local Economic Revitalization Tax Assistant Act, LERTA. The Chair right now will entertain a motion to pass the proposed LERTA with the 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 amendments attached. ATTY. RINALDI: I can : MR. RINALDI: Could you read the two amendments? ATTY. RINALDI: Yes. So, there was a blank with regards to the redevelopment authority of County of Lackawanna for their meeting, sO we added the verbiage, Redevelopment authority of the County of Lackawanna as disavowed and terminated the TIF percent property as well as the TIF district for said property by resolution, and the blank is filled in with, Voted upon by all five authority board members responding in the affirmative that they are in favor of the resolution regarding disavowing and dissolving the Tax Increment Financing plan for the 01d Forge tax incremented finance district located at the ends of Forge Street and Howard Street, having tax map parcel Nos. 18412-040-004 and 18412-040-003, with formal ratifying resolution to be taken on the September 13, 2023 authority board meeting. Copy of the same attached to this ordinance. So, there's a copy of their 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 resolution that they're going to pass attached to our end. MR. RINALDI: And for the public's knowledge, that amendment would be if this LERTA was to pass tonight, the county has a TIF on that property. Once that TIF is disavowed by the county, the LERTA would then take place. Correct, bill? ATTY. RINALDI: Yes. MR. RINALDI: And the second amendment7 ATTY. RINALDI: The second amendment is a paragraph added saying : added to the paragraph five that the exemptions shall be forfeited in the event of four or five different things. That was in the advertised ordinance. We added a paragraph, Notwitnstanding the foregoing, Holly Ridge Estates, Inc., or other responsible tax payer or subsequent owner of the property shall be given 30 days to cure any default condition set forth in A through E, upon written notice sent by the Borough of termination of the exemption due to a default condition. After the 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 expiration of 30 days, the termination of the exemption shall be final. So, that was added in to that section. MR. RINALDI: Okay. ATTY. RINALDI: And, lastly, just a short little paragraph on the end of paragraph 10 reaffirming that I had listed that this exemption and ordinance are effective upon the redevelopment authority ratifying the resolution, and we just added the date that that ratification hearing was going to take place in September 13, 2023. MR. RINALDI: Okay. ATTY. RINALDI: So, those are the three amendments that we're making this evening. MR. RINALDI: Anything else before I go down the table? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: At the time the Chair would entertain a motion to pass the said LERTA on the statement I just read earlier. MR. FEBBO: I - have a question before we pass it. For the sake of clarity, 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Mr. Dunbar, are you okay with everything that's done? MR. DUNBAR: I am. MR. FEBBO: Okay. MR. NOTARI: Should we do public comment first before we bring up the new business? MR. RINALDI: Well, that will come up. MR. NOTARI: Okay. MR. RINALDI: Because we'1l go down the table and then we'11 go on the question and then public comment. ATTY. RINALDI: He always asks for public comment : MR. NOTARI: Okay. (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. RINALDI: Yeah. I always ask for public comment before we vote anyway. MR. NOTARI: I was just going by the agenda. That's okay. Okay. MR. RINALDI: Yeah. MR. NOTARI: I'm good with that. MR. RINALDI: Make a motion? MR. FEBBO: I'17 make a motion. 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Febbo. MR. BUTLER: Second. MR. RINALDI: Second by Councilman Butler. On the question? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Public input? MS. EMLAW: (Inaudible.) MR. RINALDI: Excuse me? MS. - EMLAW: We'd like to ask questions about what's going to take place with this whole project. When does it start? How are they bringing the equipment in? We have questions about it. MR. RINALDI: What's your question, ma'am? MS. EMLAW: When is this project supposed to be : MR. RINALDI: You have to come up to the podium, please. JANICE EMLAW, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COURT REPORTER: Please state and spell your full name. MS. EMLAW: J-A-N-I-C-E, E-M-L-A-W. 118 Howard Street. I would like to know when the project is going to begin so I know when to put my house up for sale. It's true. We don't know? ATTY. GALLAGHER: Well, I think what we're here tonight on is the issue of the LERTA, whether or not to grant the LERTA. (Inaudible crosstalk.) COURT REPORTER: I can only take one person speaking at a time. Everyone has to wait their turn please. ATTY. GALLAGHER: The issue tonight is the granting of the LERTA. The project itself was approved long ago. MS. EMLAW: Well, we know that. You can't tell me when it's supposed to start? MR. DUNBAR: We're not sure yet. We have to : MS. EMLAW: It's a secret. MR. DUNBAR: It's not a secret. For the record, my name is George Dunbar, president of Holly Ridge. 20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So, as of now, I don't have a start date in reference to my sequence of construction. Hopefully, tonight I'm awarded a LERTA, then I need to go back to the bank and tell them that I have a LERTA, then I need to put financing in place. So, to answer your question truthfully, I do not have a set date. And you asked how are we going to enter it. So, we have two ingresses and egresses, that means in and out, correct. A1l this went through engineering, so there's a lot of compliance a developer like myself has to go through. So, two ingresses. One's going to be on Forge Street and one's going to be on Howard Street. MS. EMLAW: This is how the equipment's going to be coming in? MR. DUNBAR: When you say a lot, could you define a lot? Like, what's a lot to you? MS. EMLAW: I C didn't say a lot. I said the equipment. MR. DUNBAR: Equipment. MS. EMLAW: Which way it was coming 21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in. MR. DUNBAR: We'11 be ingressing on Howard and Forge Street with our equipment, which will probably remain on site for about seven or eight years. So, you're not going to see that every day. MS. EMLAW: That's all right, I'm selling my house anyway. You've screwed everybody back there. I hope you're happy, because that's what you do, take away everybody's privacy, everything. You're disgusting. DAVID SKUTACK, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: *** COURT REPORTER: Please state and spell your name. MR. SKUTACK: David Skutack. COURT REPORTER: Could you please spell that? MR. SKUTACK: S-K-U-T-A-C-K. COURT REPORTER: Thank you. MR. SKUTACK: I'm here on behalf of 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 my daughter, which is also on Howard Street, my sister. How are you going to monitor the superfund site that's down there to see if there's any leaks? They didn't clean that one out either. MR. DUNBAR: We don't own that property. I don't own that : MR. SKUTACK: I know, but you're still going to be down there bulldozing it. MR. DUNBAR: No. MR. SKUTACK: What do you mean no? Your property borders right through it. MR. RINALDI: Mr. Skutack. MR. SKUTACK: And what about the retention ponds? MR. RINALDI: Mr. Skutack. MR. SKUTACK: Yes. MR. RINALDI: One property owner can't go on another property owner's land. MR. SKUTACK: I understand that. MR. RINALDI: So, Mr. Dunbar can't goon (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. SKUTACK: When you're disturbing ground 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RINALDI: I would say he's not allowed to go on their land and dig. He'11 only be digging up his own land. MR. SKUTACK: But it bumps right into his down there. MS. EMLAW: Yeah. It's side by side. MR. RINALDI: So, do you think that something's buried under his land? MR. SKUTACK: I don't know back there. I'm saying the land that's there, if he disturbs that property. MR. RINALDI: Well, he's not going on that land he just stated. Correct? MR. DUNBAR: Correct. Yes. MR. RINALDI: He's staying on his own land. MR. SKUTACK: Wé understand that. But if he's coming within 15 feet of the borderline with his dozers, isn't he going to pull a cap off of a zone? Like, nobody's monitoring up here? He's up here digging and stuff. And what about retention ponds? You made the guy down the road put a retention pond 24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in for one building. His buildings are, like, twice the amount of rain that's going to come off of that building. Id didn't see any retention ponds over at this one on Keyser right down : (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. RINALDI: That would be a question for Mr. Dunbar. MR. DUNBAR: So, ladies and gentlemen, I went through the compliance process. Your time, and I'm being respectful to you, sir, your time to speak about that has been long passed. I'm in compliance with the municipality MS. - EMLAW: (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. DUNBAR: : I'm in compliance with the municipality ordinance, I'm in compliance with the Lower Lackawanna Sewer Authority, I'm in compliance with the Conservation District, and I'm in compliance with the Department of Environmental Protection. We're here tonight respectfully requesting a LERTA from this Council. So, your time to ask these questions had been gone. 25 If you want to come to the site, you 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 can call me when we start, I don't know the date yet, and I'd be more than happy to show you. But you have to sign a waiver when you come on the property. MR. SKUTACK: Well, there you go. MR. DUNBAR: I C don't want you to get hurt. MR. SKUTACK: Also, is EPA or whatever going to go down and check the superfund site and see if there's anything leaking there now? (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. DUNBAR: Listen. So, I've made a huge investment with obtaining that property, doing engineer, architectural, so the former developer had an E-1, which means an environmental study done. I took it a step further, I retained a geo sciences and we did an E-2 environmental study on the land to make sure the land was good. As a developer, the last thing I want to do is buy any parcel of land, may it be 35 acres or a half acre, that's contaminated. So, hopefully that answers your questions. I 26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 would not be a good businessman. I'd be out of business. MR. SKUTACK: I - totally understand that. MR. DUNBAR: So, to answer your question, the land is good. We have documentation to support it. MR. SKUTACK: The land where you drilled, but where the superfund site : MR. DUNBAR: That has nothing to do with me, sir. ATTY. GALLAGHER: He can't drill there. MR. SKUTACK: Right. I totally understand that, but it is a superfund site that I believe was capped. So, how deep did it go? Does anybody have that answer? So, again, if he starts going down, we know how water runs, it goes uphill, downhill, left and right, once you get water from the river start seeping in there, everything else, it's on a coal pile, sO is it going to disturb this cap? I don't know if there's : well, this is something you guys need to look into. 27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Again, I'm not picking on him, but they built over here : (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. RINALDI: I understand, but I'm saying, if he's digging on his own property and none of that stuff is under there, then I would suspect that, no, it wouldn't be disturbed. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. So, you guys are going to stick behind that? MR. RINALDI: Just for clarification, that's my opinion. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. MR. RINALDI: I'm no engineer. That's my opinion. I would say that if there's a superfund site here and there's a proposed development here and stuff is buried under here, not under here, and you're digging over here, I can't see it disturbing over here. But, again, that's up to the Department of EPA and DEP, not me. MR. SKUTACK: Well, he says egress and regress, too, Forge Street and Howard, does that mean they're changing, it's going to be both one ways? Or he could go up one with 28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 equipment and out the other? MR. RINALDI: No. He could take the designated roads the way that they're already ordained. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. We're not going to be changing it to one ways or anything like :- MR. BUTLER: No. MS. - AVVISATO: No. MR. RINALDI: No. MR. SKUTACK: Just to suit this development? MR. RINALDI: No, no. What he means by ingress and egress on those two streets, those two areas, where cars would go in and out. MR. SKUTACK: Yes. Exactly. MR. RINALDI: And if those streets were to be changed, which I don't see them being changed, that has nothing to do with Mr. Dunbar. Only the Borough could do that. MR. SKUTACK: And what type of housing : (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. DUNBAR: So, we're going to 29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 build a combination of upscale town homes, three bedrooms, two and a half bath, two car garage, and we're going to do apartment buildings. MS. EMLAW: (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. RINALDI: Ma'am, if you could please. MS. EMLAW: Yeah. MR. RINALDI: If you'd like to come back up to the podium, you could, but it's hard to hear Dave and George speak when you've got a lot of sidebars. MR. DUNBAR: So, that's my plan to build high end. Have you seen our current evelopments? MR. SKUTACK: Yes. MR. DUNBAR: Okay. So, I plan on making it better. However, the LERTA is a huge factor that if I'm not granted the LERTA, I may not be able to build that quality. Just : MR. SKUTACK: Okay. Well, the only thing I have is, again, we're going to be back here disturbing, to me, a superfund site, because he's close enough. There's a lower road that goes in there, which I think he owns. 30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. DUNBAR: That's not an ingress or egress. MR. SKUTACK: No. MR. DUNBAR: Pursuant to the approved plans. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. And it's also a column bank, sO now we might be looking at the homes that are there, once they start disturbing this, also getting : starting to get water in cellars and other things, again, underground. It was a coal bank. They had, over in 01d Forge Estates, they built on a coal pile and they all have pumps in the cellar because water : you can't control that rock. MR. DUNBAR: The current topography, right, I'm no engineer, but I know a little bit of something about topography and water flow being a developer, sO the current topography, we're at the low end, sO water, right, sO if you run water, it always goes to the lowest point, so water's not running uphill. So, I'm lower than you or your daughter on Howard and Forge Street. Just note that. I'm lower. Forge Street is here, Howard 31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Street is here, my development is here (Indicating). I'm lower. MR. SKUTACK: How far down are you going? MR. DUNBAR: Our foundations are going to be 48 inches. MR. SKUTACK: No, because Howard Street, there is just a coal bank there. You go over the coal bank, and you're level with Howard Street. And, again, Forge Street, when you go up the top, there's a little pole bank and you're almost level at the top of Forge Street. MR. RINALDI: Excuse me. Dave, Howard Street, when you go down Main right before the bridge across from the ambulance house, you make a left, you go up Howard Street : MR. SKUTACK: Yeah. MR. RINALDI: : sO you go up a hill : MR. SKUTACK: Right. MR. RINALDI: - he's building down here. So, you wouldn't be higher, right? (Inaudible crosstalk.) 32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. SKUTACK: No, it's not. It won't be higher. Unless he's taking a lot of stuff out. That's what I'm asking. MR. DUNBAR: So, hold on. Again, respectfully, I'm here tonight for a LERTA, you're talking about land development plans. We really, you know, we shouldn't be having that discussion. You're :- MR. SKUTACK: But it's all going to come out in the plans? MR. DUNBAR: You can contact the Borough, the plans are here in the municipality, and you could review the plans. I'm sure they will let you do that, if you submit a written : MR. SKUTACK: Okay. MR. DUNBAR: So, when we develop, there's two types of plans, there's civil and there's architectural. Civil means sanitary, storm water, grading, topography, etc. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. MR. DUNBAR: Architectural means the buildings. So, the architectural plans to date have not been submitted. Again, if you want to review the plans, you can bring your engineer 33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and review the plans. They're here in the municipality building. MR. SKUTACK: That would be the Borough's engineer to check : MR. DUNBAR: We already did. We already went through that. MR. SKUTACK: Is there going to be a retention pond there like we had over : you made them put down here? Any retention ponds? MR. DUNBAR: So, there's already a retention pond in place that the former developer put there. It's already there, because, you know, he planned on developing, sO he put the retention pond in and, you know, couldn't get financing, to my understanding, and the project was dead. But the retention pond is there. MR. SKUTACK: That is on your property? MR. DUNBAR: Correct. It's already done. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. That retention pond :- MR. DUNBAR: When it overflowed. MR. SKUTACK: That retention pond, 34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 again, is 30 feet from the fence where the superfund site was. MR. RINALDI: That retention pond was approved 13 years ago. MR. SKUTACK: I understand that. I understand retention pond, but I'm getting back again, the part that concerns me is they have to work on this retention pond because he doesn't know if everything's all in place there for sure. MR. DUNBAR: No, we do know that. Don't put words in my mouth. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. MR. DUNBAR: I'm being respectful to you MR. SKUTACK: I know there's overflow there : (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. DUNBAR: : respectful to me. MR. SKUTACK: But is it deep enough? n mean, do you have all that? MR. DUNBAR: Listen. We're in compliance with the municipality ordinance. My best recommendation to you, hire an engineer, come review the plans that are in the zoning 35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 office, and then you can be comfortable what's been approved. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. Well, you're the one that's supposed to do this for me, because I'm a taxpayer. Your guys should be checking the plans, making sure everything is going according to plan like it was issued. MR. RINALDI: The plans were already they've already been approved. ATTY. RINALDI: I know I see November 2021, but were they approved in '22? Because I don't have : MR. DUNBAR: Yeah. We came back. MR. SKUTACK: And let me ask another question. ATTY. RINALDI: They went through planning meetings, actually almost twice because their : MR. SKUTACK: (Inaudible crosstalk.) ATTY. RINALDI: : to the 2006 plans. So, they were reviewed twice, once by the former Borough engineer and by the current Borough engineer. MR. SKUTACK: When was information sent out to the people that live up there to 36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 come to these meetings? Was there anything generated to send to them to see if they wanted to show up, or they weren't public meetings or what's : MR. RINALDI: No, they were all public meetings. ATTY. RINALDI: They were public planning commission meetings. Planning commission meets every month. MR. SKUTACK: I believe tonight, all those people, did you guys get anything? MS. EMLAW: I got nothing. I knew nothing about it. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. Nobody knew : (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. RINALDI: It was advertised in the paper. MS. EMLAW: Well, not everybody gets the paper. MR. SKUTACK: That's okay, but what about the people that live there, you didn't send letters out to them? ATTY. RINALDI: No. There's no : MR. SKUTACK: I could understand for me because I'm at the other end. 37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RINALDI: We're required by law to post in the paper. MR. SKUTACK: Just to post in the paper? ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah. We don't : there's nothing in : MR. RINALDI: Yeah. ATTY. RINALDI: -- either the municipality's planning code that says when somebody comes in to do a development, we send out letters to all the neighbors. There's planning commission meetings every month, and those projects sometimes take multiple meetings of presenting, re-presenting, sketch plans, final plans, preliminary plans. Im mean, if people come to the planning commission meetings, they would see what's going on. mean, last week we had a lot consolidation for a gentleman who had put two lots together. That's like normal business for the planning commission. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. If I'm not mistaken, when they tried to put a building 38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 down near my house, a big barn style, there was letters sent out that it was going in, to come to the Council meeting. ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah. That's because that was a zoning change, and under the zoning you have to notify property owners within 100 feet of the property line : MR. SKUTACK: Okay. ATTY. RINALDI: - if you're proposing a zoning change. So, we were changing that zone from a C-2 to a, I forget, a C-2 to C-3, I think. That's why. That's a special. That's a change in your zoning map. That gets special notice. MR. SKUTACK: What's the current zoning on the :- ATTY. RINALDI: R-2 and : the project is in the R-2 zone, and then what borders it is an E-1 zone. MR. SKUTACK: So, he can build there because : ATTY. RINALDI: No, no, no. MR. RINALDI: No. Only in the R-2. ATTY. RINALDI: Only in the R-2. MR. SKUTACK: That's what I'm 39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 saying, just the R-2 zone. MR. RINALDI: Just the R-2. ATTY. RINALDI: Just the R-2 zone. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. ATTY. RINALDI: If you look at his plan, you will see how it's up towards Howard and Forge Street. MR. SKUTACK: So, the only way they would have letters is if there's a zoning change somewhere? ATTY. RINALDI: We're required to notify the property owners within 100 feet. MR. SKUTACK: Okay. ATTY. RINALDI: That's the state law. I C can't : MR. SKUTACK: Yeah. I still think there might be an issue down there, but I guess we have to wait and find out. I mean, I'm here because, I don't know, I don't think it should be developed because of the fact of it is sO close to a superfund site, but the way things go, I guess we have to deal with what we're dealt. I guess that's all I have to say right now. 40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RINALDI: Thanks, Dave. We appreciate your comments. MICHAEL FALVO, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: COURT REPORTER: State and spell your full name. MR. FALVO: Michael Falvo, F-A-L-V-0. So, my only question is, like, I understand everybody wants to make money, whatever, we weren't really, you know, notified. As you said, it was in the paper. My question for Mr. Dunbar is how are you tying it in to us? Like, are you using our sewers, electric, water? Like, how is that going to work? We have enough issues on Howard Street the way it is. Two people flush their toilet, their flood : (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. DUNBAR: So, Members of Council, again, respectfully, I'm here requesting a LERTA. I've been through the process, but I 41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 will answer the gentleman's questions. MR. FALVO: Real quick, before : (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. FALVO: No, I just want to ask you something before. MR. DUNBAR: Sure. MR. FALVO: Like, I understand your team of lawyers. Michelle Henry's a great family friend of ours, so if anything reeks of corruption, there will be nobody here. MR. DUNBAR: Are you saying I'm corrupt? MR. FALVO: No. MR. DUNBAR: Is that what you're saying? MR. FALVO: Did I say that? MR. DUNBAR: That's what you were saying. Are you saying I'm corrupt, yes or no? MR. FALVO: I never said you were. MR. DUNBAR: Okay. MR. FALVO: I understand, I'm new to 01d Forge, I've heard your name dropped a lot. A lot of good things, not bad. I heard you were cocky, whatever. I'11 shake your hand, I have no issues, no qualms. 42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RINALDI: Michael, what's your question? MR. FALVO: So, you're going to tie into us. You were heard the other day up the road talking with, not PP&L, it was on your phone with the water company, yelling that, I'11 put F'ing wells in the ground if I have to. MR. DUNBAR: So, what that statement you just made, and I'm on the record, George Dunbar, president, is totally frivolous. So, don't make accusations that aren't true because you're going to get yourself jammed up. MR. FALVO: With who? MR. RINALDI: Mike. Michael, you want to know how if he's going to tie : MR. FALVO: Yeah. MR. RINALDI: If he's going to tie into the sewer? MR. FALVO: (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. RINALDI: The sewers belong to the Borough. MR. FALVO: Exactly. But : MR. DUNBAR: So, here's how it's gonna work 43 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. FALVO: I'm up here. MR. DUNBAR: Well, you asked me a question, I'm going : MR. FALVO: Let me address the Council first. So, my question is he's going to potentially tie into us : MR. RINALDI: Well, he's going to tie into the Borough, not you. MR. FALVO: Okay. So, he's going to tie into Howard Street, correct? But here's the thing, so we already have enough issues on Howard, we can't even get the bottom of our road paved let alone put a whole million-dollar townhouses in the back. Like, the bottom of our road looks like freaking Beirut. Like, come on guys. MR. RINALDI: That's not anything to do with Mr. Dunbar. MR. FALVO: No. MR. RINALDI: That's the Borough. MR. FALVO: But I'm just saying, like, guys really? Like, you can't pave the bottom of our road but you'11 let him build townhouses and stuff in the back, the superfund 44 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 site? Like, come on. Like, we pay you guys to sit on this frigging board. MR. LETTIERI: It's on the list. It's on the pavement list, Howard Street. MR. FALVO: Thank God, because last : (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. FALVO: And I almost wrecked my bike and blew my skull open on the ground. Like, come on guys. We pay you guys to be here. MR. RINALDI: Paving just began about a week ago. MR. FALVO: Good. Dude, I've lived there for five years and our road looks like frigging Iraq in 2004. MR. FEBBO: We can only do so many roads in a year. MR. FALVO: I know, but : (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. FEBBO: : your taxes going out, you could send them out : MR. FALVO: They're probably gonna do them anyway. You're giving him ten years tax free. Like, come on, let's be real. 45 1 2 3 4 5 MR. RINALDI: It's not ten years tax free. MR. FALVO: What is it going to be? ATTY. RINALDI: It's - (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. FALVO: Hold on. Wait. Say it 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 again. ATTY. RINALDI: It's an extension for the improvements he's putting in. He still pays taxes on the property the same as if it's vacant and nobody's in there. MR. FALVO: Yeah, which is fine. MS. EMLAW: (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. FALVO: And that's another thing, dude, I'm an avid fly fisherman and I fish that river sO much. There's beautiful fish. There's deer running everywhere. Like, I understand, bro, you got a beautiful watch on, nice suit, team of lawyers behind you, but you don't care about that shit. You don't : MR. RINALDI: Michael. MR. FALVO: Sorry. I apologize. MR. FEBBO: You're out of line. I don't think he should be subject to the abuse 46 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you're giving him. MR. FALVO: How is it abuse? (Inaudible crosstalk.) COURT REPORTER: One at a time, please. MR. FEBBO: Let's just address the issue, please. Address Council. MR. FALVO: I'm just being realistic. I fly fish that river. MR. FEBBO: You're attacking Mr. Dunbar personally. You know what, unfortunately, everything you're asking about, we've discussed this at other meetings here. If you came to the last meeting that he was here with his team, as you call it, he presented everything to everybody. As far as the sewers go, he has his own sewers down there. He has his own retention ponds. Take a ride down : is that Milwaukee Avenue : MR. FALVO: Listen, I know. I'm not : MR. RINALDI: Mike, also, Mr. Dunbar has no authority to tell you where you could fly fish or not. MR. FALVO: No, no. I get that. I 47 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 get that, but I don't want to see runoff and stuff go back there. (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. RINALDI: Members of the audience, we would need you to please be silenced when someone at the podium is speaking. MR. FALVO: I'm honestly, man to man, I'm just saying, like, he's taking away the wildlife, the potential for the fishing. That river was junk years ago. Who's going to say that runoff doesn't go back into the river? You know what I mean? Like, I'm just being real. MR. RINALDI: Well, because, as he explained earlier, his plans, which were approved, and then as he starts to develop more, he'11 have to come with more plans if something were to change. So he would need approval for that, too. But any type of runoff, water, roads, he's all responsible for that. So, if any developer in the Borough of 01d Forge develops and they don't follow their plan, well then they're held accountable. Mr. Dunbar has 48 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 proven, though, in the past on all of his developments, he followed through on all of his plans. MR. FALVO: Yeah. I just want to make sure, look it, I'm not going to say I'm for it, I'm against it. It could bring property value to our houses. You know what I mean? But at the same time, like, don't make a mockery of it. That's all I'm asking. MR. FEBBO: How's he doing that? How's he making a mockery of it? MR. FALVO: Do you live on Howard Street? MR. FEBBO: No, I don't. MR. FALVO: Exactly. MR. FEBBO: I'm quite familiar with it, though. MR. FALVO: So : MR. FEBBO: It's over Connell's Patch. MR. FALVO: That's perfect, but now we have to deal with this. MR. FEBBO: Did you ever think that maybe he's going to enhance the value of your properties? If you know Mr. Dunbar's history, 49 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 anything around him associated with him, he improves. Not only his property, but I'm sure that his clientele is not going to want to drive over Howard Street that's like the Ho Chi Minh Trail, if that's what it is, to get to this house. MR. FALVO: No, but all I'm saying is this, commonly speaking, you don't live on Howard Street, you don't have to see it every day. We have to deal with the construction all day. Are we going to abide by the laws? MR. FEBBO: Absolutely. MR. FALVO: You can't start until 8:00. It's an ordinance. MR. FEBBO: Absolutely. He does all that. MR. FALVO: It's not 7:00. It's actually 8:00, because I can't even work on my own house : MR. FEBBO: Let me ask you this, have you ever done his project, his development? MR. FALVO: No, but I've done construction half my life. MR. FEBBO: Okay. Take a ride down 50 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 his place :- MR. FALVO: Oh, I've seen them. No, I've seen them. MR. FEBBO: Drive through the place, especially at night. MR. FALVO: But here's the thing, I've seen it, it's beautiful. I'm not going to deny that it's not nice. I like the gas lamps. It all looks good. But at the same time we have to deal with the construction. We have to deal with the potential tie-ins to our sewer and stuff. MR. FEBBO: No, he's not coming to your sewers. He's not coming to your sewers. Correct, Mr. Dunbar? Your sewers are not going in 01d Forge lines? MR. DUNBAR: (Inaudible response.) MR. FEBBO: He has his own private sewers. MR. FALVO: Okay. Now question :- MR. FEBBO: Give him a break. Talk to the man personally : MR. FALVO: Oh, no, I would love to talk to him personally. (Inaudible crosstalk.) 51 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. FEBBO: Everything you're bringing up here, before it gets to Council here, everything goes through the zoning and planning : MR. FALVO: No, I understand. (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. FEBBO: -- it goes to a hearing. Everything that you're bringing up, you people are criticizing, we've done. When it gets to Council for us to decide on, we've got all the information from the people that were before us, our attorneys, our engineers. We don't just create it here then vote on it. MR. FALVO: I understand that. Like I said, I've done construction half my life. I understand how everything works. I still have a book : books on zoning and ordinances. MR. FEBBO: If you're construction, give him a break and go down and take a look at it. MR. FALVO: Yeah. MR. FEBBO: You'd be impressed. And all he's going to do is enhance the value of everybody's property there. 52 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. FALVO: That's good, Mr. Febbo, but you keep cutting me off. My questions are, very quickly and I'17 wrap it up, soas Mr. Rinaldi said, it was put in the paper, it's 2023, put it online. We have a Borough website, like, why couldn't this stuff be on there? MR. RINALDI: The law says we have to advertise it. MR. FALVO: No, I understand it has to be in the paper, but as citizens of the Borough, why wasn't it, for everybody here, why wasn't it on the website? MR. RINALDI: Because it has to be advertised, Mike. MR. FALVO: No, I understand. ATTY. RINALDI: We have to have legal documentation. (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. FALVO: But also putting it on the news : putting it in the paper, I understand that, but at the same time, put it on the website. That's just my close. MS. BUTRAM: The agenda was all put on the website in compliance with the Sunshine 53 1 2 3 4 5 Act. MR. FALVO: What's that? (Inaudible crosstalk.) MR. RINALDI: Debbie. Debbie. (Inaudible crosstalk.) MS. EMLAW: Don't speak, you'11 get 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 yelled at. MR. RINALDI: No, she won't get yelled at, ma'am. The thing is we can't keep order with people just blurting out comments. I have a quick question for you, dear. UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Dear? MR. RINALDI: Ma'am : MS. EMLAW: Dear? UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What'd you call my gir1, dear? Who are you? MR. RINALDI: I said ma'am and then s said dear. UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, no, you said dear first. MS. EMLAW: He said dear. Let's go. UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You're isrespectrul. MR. RINALDI: That's disrespectful? UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, it's 54 1 2 3 4 5 disrespectful. MS. EMLAW: You should change the name of this town to Dunbar. UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And you're a piece of shit. MS. EMLAW: Change it to Dunbar. MR. RINALDI: Anyone else from the 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 public? Come up to the podium, please, Debbie. DEBORAH BUTRAM, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: COURT REPORTER: Please state and spell your full name. MS. BUTRAM: Yeah. Deborah, D-E-B-0-R-A-H, Butram, B-U-T-R-A-M. COURT REPORTER: Thank you. MS. BUTRAM: Just for your information, because I know, I always get on the Council about this, the Sunshine Act, they did put the agenda on the website within the required amount of time. Twenty-four hours before the meeting she has to put the agenda on the website for the Sunshine Act. And it was 55 1 2 3 4 5 on the agenda that they were doing this, and two things, I think, tonight, something else, but this was definitely on there. MR. FALVO: Yeah. MS. BUTRAM: Just FYI. MR. FALVO: Yeah, that's why I'm 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 here. MR. RINALDI: Any members of the public? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: We have a motion, we have a second. Roll call, MaryLynn. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman Avvisato? MS. AVVISATO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler? MR. BUTLER: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Febbo? MR. FEBBO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Lettieri? MR. LETTIERI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari? MR. NOTARI: No. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? 56 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RINALDI: Yes. Second item under new business is a motion to hire an executive secretary to the Borough manager. MR. FEBBO: I'11 make that motion. MR. RINALDI: State the name. MR. FEBBO: My name? MR. RINALDI: No. The - MR. FEBBO: Oh. Sandy Capasso (phonetic). MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Febbo for Sandy Capasso. Seconded by MR. NOTARI: I'11 second it. MR. RINALDI: : Councilman Notari. On the question? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Public input? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman Avvisato? MS. AVVISATO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler? MR. BUTLER: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Febbo? 57 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. FEBBO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Lettieri? MR. LETTIERI: Yes. MS. - BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari? MR. NOTARI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. Third item is going to be a motion just to add this to the agenda. It's a motion to add an alternate zoning member to the vacant seat. This is just an alternate zoning member. This is just to add it. MR. NOTARI: Mr. Chairman, I'11 make the motion to add to the agenda the naming of an alternate zoning member. MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Notari. MS. AVVISATO: I'11 second that motion. MR. RINALDI: Second by Councilwoman Avvisato. On the question? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Public input? (No response.) 58 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. FALVO: What was that for? MR. RINALDI: This is a motion to add an alternate zoning member. We have a vacancy. The Zoning Board is full, but then we have alternates we use in case members can't make a meeting or such. MR. FALVO: Okay. MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman Avvisato? MS. - AVVISATO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler? MR. BUTLER: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Febbo? MR. FEBBO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Lettieri? MR. LETTIERI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari? MR. NOTARI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. The Chair will ask for a motion for a name to add as an alternate to the Zoning Board. MR. NOTARI: Mr. Chairman, I'17 make 59 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 a motion to name Mark Palma (phonetic), Pine Street, 01d Forge, as an alternate to the Zoning Board. MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilman Notari for Mark Palma. MR. BUTLER: I'11 second it. MR. RINALDI: Seconded by Councilman Butler. On the question? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Public input? (No response.) MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman Avvisato? MS. AVVISATO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler? MR. BUTLER: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Febbo? MR. FEBBO: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Lettieri? MR. LETTIERI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari? MR. NOTARI: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? 60 1 2 3 4 5 MR. RINALDI: Yes. No more items on the new business. The Chair will go around the table if Council has anything to add before we adjourn. Councilman Febbo? MR. FEBBO: No. MR. RINALDI: Councilman Lettieri? MR. LETTIERI: Not this time. MR. RINALDI: Councilman Notari? MR. NOTARI: Nothing, Mr. Chairman. MR. RINALDI: Councilman Butler? 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. BUTLER: Nothing. MR. RINALDI: Councilwoman Avvisato? MS. AVVISATO: I'm good. Thank you. MR. RINALDI: I have nothing at all. George, congratulations on the LERTA. MR. DUNBAR: Thank you very much. MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. MR. DUNBAR: I'd like to thank the Borough Council for believing in me and believing in my projects. I want to invest in my community which I reside, and it's not only good for now but it's good for the future. So, again, I thank you very much for believing in me, in believing in what we're going to do down at Holly Ridge Estates. This 61 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 is huge for me tonight. MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. We appreciate your comments. Chair will entertain a motion to adjourn. MS. AVVISATO: I11 make that motion. MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by Councilwoman Avvisato. A11 in favor? ALL MEMBERS: Aye. MR. RINALDI: Good night everyone. Thank you for coming. 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