1  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  OLD FORGE BOROUGH COUNCIL  IN RE: REGULAR MEETING OF COUNCIL  HELD:  Tuesday, February 20, 2024  TIME: 7:00 P.M. LOCATION:  OLD FORGE MUNICIPAL BUILDING 310 South Main Street 01d Forge, Pennsylvania  COUNCIL  MEMBERS:  RUSSELL RINALDI, President JIM HOOVER, Vice President MICHELE AVVISATO ANDREW BUTLER RICK NOTARI MICHAEL KOMENSKY JENNA JONES-SHOTWELL  MARYLYNN BARTOLETTI, Borough Manager  ROBERT LEGG, Mayor  WILLIAM RINALDI, Esquire, Solicitor  MICHELLE SMOLSKIS OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER    2  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  (Pledge of Allegiance.)  MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. - BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Shotwell?  MS. - SHOTWELL: Here: MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman  Komensky?  MR. KOMENSKY: Here.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari?  MR. NOTARI: Present.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: Here.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Avvisato?  MS. AVVISATO: Here.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover?  MR. HOOVER: Here.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Here. Once again,  ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the regular meeting of the 01d Forge Borough. Tonight is  Tuesday, February 20, 2024.  The purpose of our meeting is to go  through a few housekeeping motions, and then    3  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  we'17 go through our department heads, we'17 hear from our police chief, engineer, go around the table, hear from our mayor, Council members, solicitor and borough manager.  There's a public sign-in sheet at  the podium. If anyone at the end of the meeting would like to address us, we'17 give  you a few moments.  With that said, we're going to move  into our first housekeeping motion and that's going to be a motion to approve the minutes  from the prior meeting.  MS. AVVISATO: I'17 make that  motion, Mr. Chairman.  MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by  Councilwoman Avvisato.  MR. BUTLER: I'11 second.  MR. RINALDI: Second by Councilman  Butler. On the question?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Public input?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Roll Call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Shotwell?    4  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MS. SHOTWELL: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman  Komensky?  MR. KOMENSKY: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari?  MR: NOTARI: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Avvisato?  MS. AVVISATO: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover?  MR. HOOVER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. Second item is  motion to approve the treasurer's report. Please note, does not include the sewer  account.  MR. BUTLER: I'11 make the motion. MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by  Councilman Butler.  MS. AVVISATO: I'17 second that  motion.  MR. RINALDI: Second by Councilwoman  Avvisato. On the question?    5  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Public input?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Shotwell?  MS. SHOTWELL: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman  Komensky?  MR. KOMENSKY: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari?  MR. NOTARI: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Avvisato?  MS. AVVISATO: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover?  MR. HOOVER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. Third item is  motion to approve invoices for payment, and please note, once again, this does not include  the sewer account.  MS. SHOTWELL: I'17 make that  -    6  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  motion, Mr. Chairman.  MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by  Councilwoman Jones-Shotwell.  MR. KOMENSKY: I'11 second it. MR. RINALDI: Second by Councilman  Komensky. On the question?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Public input?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Shotwel1?  MS. SHOTWELL: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman  Komensky?  MR. KOMENSKY: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari?  MR. NOTARI: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Avvisato?  MS. AVVISATO: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover?  MR. HOOVER: Yes.    7  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. Fourth item is  motion to approve treasurer's report for the  sewer department.  MS. AVVISATO: I'11 make that  motion, Mr. Chairman:  MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by  Councilwoman Avvisato.  MR. BUTLER: I'11 second it. MR. RINALDI: Second by Councilman  Butler. On the question?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Public input?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Shotwe11?  MS. SHOTWELL: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman  Komensky?  MR. KOMENSKY: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari?  MR. NOTARI: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: Yes.    8  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Avvisato?  MS. AVVISATO: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover?  MR. HOOVER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. Fifth and last  item under housekeeping is motion to approve sewer department invoices for payment.  MR. KOMENSKY: I'11 make that  motion, Mr. Chairman.  MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by  Councilman Komensky.  MR. BUTLER: I'11 second it. MR. RINALDI: Second by Councilman  Butler. On the question?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Public input?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Shotwell?  MS. SHOTWELL: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman  Komensky?    9  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. KOMENSKY: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari?  MR. NOTARI: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  MS.  BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Avvisato?  MS. AVVISATO: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover?  MR. HOOVER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. We're moving to  our department heads. Our first department head, DPW manager Joe Lenceski isn't at the meeting. We have his report. If we have any questions for him, we could e-mail him or give  him a call.  Second department head, Mike  Sokolowski, code enforcement zoning officer.  Mike, anything for the meeting?  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: I have nothing for  the meeting.  MR. RINALDI: Does anybody have any  questions for the zoning officer?  MR. HOOVER: Mike, has Emlaw brought    10  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  plans in yet?  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Nothing.  MR. HOOVER: So, it's still $500 a  day?  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah.  MR. HOOVER: That's more money we  won't see, Rick, remember?  MR. NOTARI: Yeah. I hope it  doesn't get up to 300,000.  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: And no contact, no  phone calls, nothing, from him or his lawyer.  MR. HOOVER: A1l right. I just want  to know.  MR. KOMENSKY: Can we call the  magistrate and put some pressure on him or  something?  ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah. If he didn't  come or you got nothing from him, I would let  the magistrate know.  MR. KOMENSKY: This is going on how  long?  MR. HOOVER: A year that I know of. MR. KOMENSKY: Bill, when did he  MR. HOOVER: Fourteen months. ATTY. RINALDI: I'm looking to see    11  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  if I have a copy. I don't think I do. But I believe it said if he doesn't, sO :  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It was February  6th, I think.  ATTY. RINALDI: Right. So, whatever  that letter is you got from the Judge, review it and call his office and see what he needs.  MR. RINALDI: Mike, quick question,  Id didn't see the letter from the Judge, is there a timeline that the Judge gave him? Is  there a date on there?  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: It started February  6th, I think. I'm not positive of that.  MR. RINALDI: But he doesn't have  any date on there that says 500 a day until  such and such?  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No, I don't think  sO.  MR. RINALDI: Okay. Then I would  say, also, go off the advice of our solicitor, contact the magistrate and let him know that we still haven't heard anything from him.  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: A17 right. MR. RINALDI: Any other questions  for Mike?    12  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. NOTARI: Mike, I received a call  from neighbors down near Agostini's Bakery regarding loose dogs, pit bulls.  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah, I saw that.  Kucklas.  MR. NOTARI: Yeah, Kucklas.  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah. I talked to  him.  MR. NOTARI: Did you talk to him?  Okay. I don't know if there's anything we  could do about that or :  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Jason, did Kucklas,  over the weekend, I think it was Saturday he  called me, dogs?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: I have to look. I  know we got one. I'm not sure if it was Kucklas. But we contacted the dog warden because we actually have a good number for the dog warden. He's given me all the information.  I'11 check to make sure there's not  a report first, but I know there was one but I didn't think that it was Kuckla on it.  MR. NOTARI: The house left of  Agostini's Bakery supposedly has four dogs, pit  bulls, that they let loose.    13  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  CHIEF DUBERNAS: That's by  Mucciolo's Winery over there?  MR. RINALDI: No.  MR. BUTLER: It's on the other side. MR. RINALDI: To the left. The  other side.  MS. SHOTWELL: Oh, the apartment  building, yeah. Right?  MR. NOTARI: I can't picture a house  there either.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: So, if you're  looking at Agostini's Bakery -  MR. NOTARI: To the left. CHIEF DUBERNAS: To the left?  That's Chicky's apartment building there.  MR. NOTARI: Regardless, four pit  bulls running loose along the tracks and down that field behind Kuckla's house across the  tracks.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Right. I'17 check.  IH know there was one about dogs reported. It was e-mailed to the dog warden. Let me see which one it is. I'17 let you know.  MR. NOTARI: A17 right. Just look  into that, please.    14  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: He called me  Saturday, he said he was going to call the police. So, that was -- I think it was Saturday afternoon or maybe Sunday. I'm not  sure.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: I'17 look. I know  there's definitely one. I saw them. They were e-mailed to the dog warden. But I thought it was a different name they used. But I'11 look.  MR. NOTARI: It could have been  Rubreck. That's Adrianna lives up on top of the hill. Her property goes overlooking the  Kucklas, her parents' house.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Maybe that's the  name, because I didn't think it was Kuckla, it was something different. But I'11 look.  MR. NOTARI: Okay.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: But I know there's  a definite report e-mailed to the dog warden  about pit bulls this weekend.  MR. NOTARI: Thanks guys.  MR. RINALDI: Any other questions  for Mike?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Thanks, Michael.    15  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Thank you. MR. RINALDI: Dave Lopatka,  engineer. We have the report. Anything for  the meeting?  MR. LOPATKA: Nothing for the  meeting.  MR. RINALDI: Anybody have any  questions for David?  MS. AVVISATO: Anything on Edgewood? MR. HOOVER: Did we get a price off  of :  MS. AVVISATO: We were supposed to  get a price off the :  MR. HOOVER: Earthworks.  MR. LOPATKA: I - thought you were  gonna get a price. I don't know, I could talk to - Joe and have him give me the price.  MR. HOOVER: I called Louie Mancuso. MR. LOPATKA: Oh, you did?  MR. HOOVER: He must be out of town  because he hasn't called me back.  MS. AVVISATO: I was gonna say, he  didn't call you, Dave?  MR. LOPATKA: Nope.  MR. RINALDI: We may have asked Joe    16  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  to contact them instead of Dave.  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah.  MR. RINALDI: I think we did ask Joe  at the last : not the last meeting just because he wasn't here, the meeting before that; I think we asked Joe to :  MS. AVVISATO: To contact them?  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. MS. AVVISATO: Okay.  MR. RINALDI: Yeah. To get us a  price for that.  MS. AVVISATO: Okay. I could ask  Joe. Okay. Thanks.  MR. BUTLER: Russ, I see one of the  things on his report that they're putting a new  infield in down Pagnotti's.  MR. RINALDI: Item four? MR. BUTLER: Yeah. Their new  infield and I guess they're putting new diamond  tex or whatever down there.  MS. BARTOLETTI: That's us. MR. BUTLER: Are we going to do  anything with that road or no, or are we still going to come in from Connell's Patch?  MR. RINALDI: The road coming    17  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  down :  MR. BUTLER: From Keyser.  MR. RINALDI: :- from Keyser from  Milwaukee?  MR. BUTLER: Milwaukee. Right. MR. RINALDI: Well, if we're going  to do anything with that road : you're talking  about Villa Drive?  MR. BUTLER: Yeah.  MR. RINALDI: If we're going to do  anything with that road, Bill :  ATTY. RINALDI: You'd need a bridge  to get across.  MR. BUTLER: Right.  MR. RINALDI: Well, we need a  walking bridge.  MR. BUTLER: Right.  MR. LOPATKA: A bridge or a culvert  you need to -- you'd need to get it permitted  first from DEP.  MR. RINALDI: Well, our thoughts  that we talked about were only just through conversation, and we said a walking bridge.  MR. LOPATKA: Right.  MR. RINALDI: Not a bridge to drive    18  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  over.  MR. LOPATKA: Either way you still  need a permit.  MR. RINALDI: Right.  MR. LOPATKA: Because it's an  encroachment, technically, over the water ways.  MR. RINALDI: So, Councilman Butler,  are you asking, would you like Dave to go down and estimate maybe a walking bridge?  MR. BUTLER: Well, yeah, if that's  feasible.  MR. RINALDI: Okay.  MR. BUTLER: Because, like I said,  we run into all kinds of problems when, you know, we can't pave the parking lot down there, we can't pave the road up to the parking lot. People down there are always complaining because there's dust all over the place. I mean, that road there, it's all our land on the  left-hand side.  MR. RINALDI: On the left once you  get down before the dip.  MR. BUTLER: We could build a bigger  parking lot there, we could fix the road, and there's never any problems, you know what I'm    19  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  saying? It's just people could come in there and they basically come over the bridge, they're right behind the back stop.  MR. RINALDI: Dave, would you be  able to look into that and get us some cost  estimate on :  MR. LOPATKA: Sure.  MR. RINALDI: : a walking bridge  across : you know where he's talking about?  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah, I know.  MR. RINALDI: Where we had the : we  used to have a parking lot there.  MR. LOPATKA: Yep. Where the bridge  washed out.  MR. RINALDI: The patrons just  walked across. Well, the road washed away. They would just walk over the road right through behind the back stop. Anything else,  Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: No. That's it.  MR. NOTARI: Speaking of, Mr. Butler  brought up that entrance down there, we did ask Mr. Ciuccio at one point if we could use the lower part of that lot as an emergency entrance into the back of the field in case we needed to    20  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  get an ambulance down there or fire truck or whatever, and it was cleared out for a while,  but now it's all grown back in.  MR. BUTLER: Right. Yeah. MR. NOTARI: Can we have our DPW  clean, because I think they did it the first time, clean that out, clear out a path at least wide enough for an ambulance to get to that  gate?  MR. RINALDI: What road are we  coming down?  MR. NOTARI: So, I would be -- I  guess it would be Park.  MS. BARTOLETTI: I think it's Park. MR. RINALDI: Park. Right. MR. NOTARI: Park and Villa. MR. RINALDI: Park and Villa.  Right. You're talking about on the opposite  side?  MR. NOTARI: Yeah. And I think it  was the road part, I don't even think it was on  one of his lots.  ATTY. RINALDI: We got an easement  to connect this.  MR. NOTARI: Right.    21  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  ATTY. RINALDI: And I know there's a  drawing of it.  MR. NOTARI: Right. Yeah. We did  get permission. He did give us permission a  couple years ago for that.  MR. RINALDI: So, it's almost right  before where the road's cut off coming from :  MR. NOTARI: Yes.  MR. RINALDI: :- already inside the  development, right?  MR. NOTARI: Yes. MR. RINALDI: Okay.  MR. NOTARI: From inside the  development.  MR. RINALDI: Yeah.  MR. NOTARI: So that way it would  give us emergency access if we needed it. Okay. That's all I have. Thanks.  MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. Any  other questions for Dave?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Thank you, Dave.  Chief Dubernas, anything for the meeting?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: No. The only  thing, Councilman Komensky, we're trying to    22  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  locate the owner on the two cars that are off of - -- that's actually a paper alley.  MR. KOMENSKY: Okay.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: That has easements  for both properties right next to the car.  MR. KOMENSKY: Okay.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: So, we're in the  process of that. The resident, I believe,  lives on Abington Street.  MR. KOMENSKY: Okay. Thanks, Chief.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yep.  MR. KOMENSKY: I appreciate it.  I'17 let the people know that call me.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: I have nothing  else.  MR. NOTARI: Chief, the red car on  Oak Street in front of Mayor Legg's residence : it's not yours, is it?  MAYOR LEGG: No, it's not.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: No. We know whose  it is. The guy's out of town.  MR. NOTARI: But it hasn't moved for  months.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: The guy's out of  town. He lives in the apartment building right    23  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  on the corner of Church Street.  MAYOR LEGG: I - can't see pulling  out.  MS. SHOTWELL: It's terrible. MR. RINALDI: Is this the red car  that's directly right up to the no parking  sign?  MS. SHOTWELL: Yeah.  MR. NOTARI: Can't we tow it? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Well, it's legally  parked. We could ticket it, you know what I mean, because then it's our responsibility if we damage the car. Like I said, it's legally parked. It's beyond the sign. We're just  trying to make contact with --  MR. RINALDI: It's like right up to  the sign.  MR. NOTARI: Isn't it considered an  abandoned vehicle?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: No. Everything is  registered on it. We ran it.  MR. NOTARI: Even though it didn't  move?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: It comes back that  lives in : the gentleman lives on Alirosa Lane    24  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  that owns the apartment building. He's an  older gentleman.  MR. NOTARI: But it's not his car.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: No.  MR. NOTARI: It's whoever lives in  the  MR. KOMENSKY: Oh, Chesser? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Chessers. MR. RINALDI: One of his tenants? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yep. Yeah. He  travels for work, because we already have the neighbors, as soon as he gets home, to let us know, because he could park in the back. That lot is, like, a big square lot there that he  could just leave it there.  MR. NOTARI: Right.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: No, that's been  we've been trying to work on that for, like,  three weeks now.  MR. RINALDI: Could we get in touch  with the landlord to see if we could get a  number for him?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: I can. MR. RINALDI: Okay.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: I'11 try to get    25  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Mr. Chesser, see if he'11 give us the phone  number.  MR. NOTARI: Could we move the sign? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Listen, that was  brought up.  MR. BUTLER: Rick, I was looking at  the sign, we could actually double the distance going back and still not bother the hair salon.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: That was brought up  about three, four years ago :  MR. RINALDI: A little Tonger. CHIEF DUBERNAS: : to move the sign  back maybe 50 or 60 feet, and it got shot down because all the businesses complained that they  have no where to park.  MR. BUTLER: Yeah, but there's only  one business there, the hair salon.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Two hair salons. MS. AVVISATO: Two. There's two. MR. BUTLER: Two of them, right, but  if you double the distance, because I looked at it, if you double the distance that the sign is now, you're still before the hair salon. You're right at the door of the first hair  salon.    26  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RINALDI: So, you would actually  knock it back one more parking spot, basically?  MR. BUTLER: Right. Yeah.  MR. RINALDI: So, where the red car  is now, the sign would be a little bit behind  it's trunk?  MR. BUTLER: Right. MR. RINALDI: Right. MR. BUTLER: Yeah.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: We would have to  look. I - don't remember what it was going to be, but I know they wanted to move it from where the sign is now going back, and they shot it down because the businesses use that for parking there, the Hair Mill, and I'm not sure of the other business, the Mane Tamer or  something.  MR. RINALDI: Not to get off topic  and not to cut anybody off, where are we with  the study?  MS. BARTOLETTI: I sent Dave the  contract.  MR. RINALDI: For the :  MR. LOPATKA: She sent it to me, I  sent it back to them, and he's supposed to get    27  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  back to me with a date that they're going to actually go out and do the counts, but we should have something back from them in three  to four weeks, the report.  MR. NOTARI: So, it's in the works?  MR. LOPATKA: Yes.  MR. RINALDI: There's a lot of good  little fixes, but a street light there is key. That'd be the safest for everybody involved. So, how much longer do you think we have?  MR. LOPATKA: Well, I just got it  from Marylynn Friday : or Monday.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Last week. Uh-huh. MR. LOPATKA: So, I sent it to them  and :  MR. RINALDI: So we're waiting for  them?  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. I told him to  get me a schedule.  MR. RINALDI: Okay.  MR. LOPATKA: When they're going to  come out and do the counts and then when we  could expect a report.  MR. RINALDI: Okay. If we don't  hear anything from them pretty soon, could you    28  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  contact them?  MR. LOPATKA: Sure.  MR. RINALDI: Not to rush them but  just to remind them.  MR. NOTARI: One more thing for the  Chief. Romar, I don't know what we could do there other than put a cop there when there's dance lessons going on, and I'm sure we have better things to do, but I was pulling up to the stop sign facing the dance studio and a car pulled up right on the corner to park illegally just to drop off their child, their daughter, and when the gentleman opened his door, the daughter opened her door, she couldn't have been older than five years old, and she ran out  into the middle of the intersection.  And, obviously, we can't control  people but there has to be something that we could do or try to do something preventative that's, you know, going to educate these people that they have to pay more attention. They  have to park legally.  (Inaudible crosstalk.)  MR. NOTARI: And if they were parked  legally, it probably wouldn't have made a    29  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  difference. The little girl still would have jumped out of the car and ran into the intersection. But there's just sO many cars there and sO much traffic there during certain  hours that :-  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Because she was  supposed to address that to have them pull onto  Sussex Street.  MR. RINALDI: Well, again, not to  interrupt you, there is people pulling on Sussex. I drove by, there's a lot, but there's  also :  (Inaudible crosstalk.)  MR. RINALDI: : he said there's not  enough room. There's an abundance of parents  and children.  MS. SHOTWELL: And it's all at the  same time.  MR. NOTARI: And, again, this person  didn't pull on Sussex Street, but it pulled and stopped in an illegal parking area and the girl just jumped out. And she jumped out of the car on the street side, not even on the sidewalk  side.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: A11 right. I'17    30  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  look into it and I'17 address that.  MR. NOTARI: I'm not looking to get  anybody in trouble, I just think we need to  make it more safe.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: No. Absolutely.  We already had an issue with a little child  there.  MR. NOTARI: Yeah. Thank you. I  appreciate that.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yep.  MR. RINALDI: Thanks, Chief. Any  other questions for the Chief?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Thanks, Chief.  Assistant Fire Chief Bill Stull, anything for  the meeting?  MR. STULL: Nope. Nothing at all. MR. RINALDI: Anybody have any  questions for Bill?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Thank you, Bill.  Attorney Rinaldi, solicitor report.  ATTY. RINALDI: Tonight for your  consideration there's an ordinance amending Chapter 339, Vending and Amusement Machines,    31  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  including in the definition skill games for use for purposes of receiving any types of monetary remuneration. And then there's a resolution because your Chapter 339 has a license fee and -- Mike, have you ever seen a license fee  for amusement of vending  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Nothing. ATTY. RINALDI: So, I gave you a  resolution just to read in that what the amount of that license fee is going to be since it was originally enacted in 19 -- I think it was  1983.  MR. RINALDI: '83.  ATTY. RINALDI: Then you have a  resolution ratifying the extension of Refuse and Bulky Waste Collection and Disposal Contract for the year, June 30, 2024 to June  30, 2025.  When the contract was originally bid  in 2021, it included two one-year options to lock in a price if the Council wanted to lock that in with the option to renew for each one year. So, the option for the upcoming year would be $507,060, which was included in the  original bid.    32  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  So, they were notified that we were  going to exercise their option and resolution  and just to ratify that extension.  And St. Lawrence Church lease. Was  it dropped off here?  MS. BARTOLETTI: No:  ATTY. RINALDI: It was supposed to  be here today. I did get an e-mail from Attorney Cherundolo. I just asked him to print in the names of who signed it and get it down to the Borough or have somebody bring it tonight. Does anybody know where it's at?  MR. BUTLER: They signed it last  night, I know that.  ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah.  MR. BUTLER: I saw them sign it. MS. BARTOLETTI: So it's somewhere. ATTY. RINALDI: It's somewhere. MS. BARTOLETTI: They just didn't  bring it to us.  MR. NOTARI: What did we ultimately  decide on? I mean, just rent or :  MR. BUTLER: Paying utilities. MR. NOTARI: Rent and utilities? MR. RINALDI: For them?    33  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. BUTLER: Just utilities. MR. RINALDI: Just utilities. MS. BARTOLETTI: Utilities. Yeah. ATTY. RINALDI: So, I have an e-mail  of a PDF, I mean, I believe it's Lou Febbo's signature, and the other person is -  MS. BARTOLETTI: John Romano. ATTY. RINALDI: John Romano, yeah.  That's all I have here.  MR. RINALDI: Mr. Febbo's the  president of the Sons of Italy?  ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah. So, I could  forward that to Marylynn and maybe you could print it out for the voting part of the  meeting.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Attorney Rinaldi,  if you send it to me, I'17 go print it.  ATTY. RINALDI: So, yeah, it  includes the terms that everybody discussed, that the tenant's going to pay all water, electric, gas and other utility service furnished to the premises, which now will include the basement, okay? Any charges for internet, cable, telephone service to the premises. The landlord is going to supply it    34  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  with hot water and heat, and : I'm sorry,  heating and air.  Refuse removal will be the tenant  makes their own arrangements to remove their refuse. The landlord is going to maintain and repair the building in common areas and do snow  removal.  And tenant will abide by the rules  and regulations set by the landlord which can be amended, and they're pretty much pretty standard that they can't block or obstruct passageways, doors and windows. Just standard stuff that will enable to manage the building.  They can't commit any disturbances.  They can't smoke in the building because you actually have an ordinance that says you're not allowed to smoke on any Borough property. You know, they can't do any changes to the building without notifying the landlord. It's pretty  straightforward.  And other than that, that's all I  have to report today that's not legal in  nature.  MS. AVVISATO: Bill, are they  changing the locks?    35  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MS. - BARTOLETTI: We waited until  everything was done sO we :  MS. AVVISATO: So kids can't go in  there. Good.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Yeah.  ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah. Part of it is  they have to make sure we have keys and  combinations to everything.  MS. AVVISATO: Good. Yeah.  ATTY. RINALDI: Or we provide them,  but they can't change it. That's part of one  of the rules.  MS. AVVISATO: Okay.  ATTY. RINALDI: No animals or birds  are to be kept in the premises. Pretty much  common sense stuff.  MR. RINALDI: Anything else for the  meeting, Bill?  ATTY. RINALDI: No. That's it. MR. RINALDI: Anybody have any  questions for the solicitor?  MAYOR LEGG: I still think we should  get an appraisal on that property, find out what it's worth. I went around that property, the church and what have you, there's a ton of    36  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  land there right on Main Street, okay?  And don't forget, it was purchased  with tax money. I still think we should get an appraisal, see what it's worth and go from  there.  MR. RINALDI: Try to get both  buildings appraised, both properties?  MAYOR LEGG: Well, it's a package  deal, correct?  MR. RINALDI: No. Well, it's  separated right now, but I mean, would you like -- I mean, I have no problem getting them both appraised either. I'm just asking what  your thought was.  MAYOR LEGG: It doesn't matter if  you want to keep them separate or, you know, the whole shebang. I think that property is worth five times at least what we paid for it, okay, and since it was paid for with taxpayer money, I think we should look into it.  MR. HOOVER: Bill, does anything  revert back to the Diocese?  ATTY. RINALDI: No.  MR. HOOVER: Nothing? It's all  ours?    37  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  ATTY. RINALDI: The only thing that  reverts back is one of these, I think there was five lots that were combined for the church and then we separated out. The only thing that has it reverted back is if you provide liquor on this one lot that's in the middle of it.  That's it.  MR. RINALDI: So, Bill, the Mayor  brings up a good point, and, again, I agree, there's nothing wrong with us getting that appraised, I'm all for that, just to see what it's worth even, and then we could decide what  we want to do with it after that.  My question to you is, Bill,  legally, is the Borough allowed to profit off of real estate that we purchased with taxpayer  money?  ATTY. RINALDI: Well, I mean, if  you're selling your real estate, sure.  MR. RINALDI: No, no.  ATTY. RINALDI: Whatever you get for  it you get for it.  MR. RINALDI: Are we allowed to   ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah.  MR. RINALDI: - sell it for more    38  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  than what we paid?  MAYOR LEGG: It goes back to the  Borough, correct?  ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah. It comes back  to the Borough.  MR. RINALDI: I mean, obviously, the  profit would go back into the general fund and be used for the taxpayers in the future.  ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah.  MR. RINALDI: But I wasn't sure if  we were allowed -- I wasn't sure if the Borough legally was allowed to profit from real estate  transactions.  ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah.  MR. RINALDI: I just wanted to make  sure. Okay. So, Tet's order an appraisal.  MAYOR LEGG: I think we should. MR. RINALDI: Marylynn, would you  handle that, and Bill?  MR. NOTARI: I don't think it's a  bad idea. Can we get it appraised, the church property and the rectory property :  (Inaudible crosstalk.)  ATTY. RINALDI: They're two deeds.  You're going to get :    39  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. NOTARI: Two deeds. Okay. MR. RINALDI: They're two deeds.  Correct. They're two deeds currently. Right. That's what I said, Mayor, they're currently two deeds, sO : but, obviously, if we did decide to sell it, we probably should sell it  as a package deal.  MAYOR LEGG: Right.  MR. RINALDI: So, Bill, let's get  both of them appraised and at least we'17 get a starting point, see where we're at. Anyone else have any questions for the solicitor?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Thanks, Bill.  Marylynn, Borough manager.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Okay. Let's start  with the usual question. Any questions on any  of the financial reports?  (No response.)  MS. BARTOLETTI: No. Nothing.  Okay. So, just two other little things. I just wanted to give you an update on CDBG with our project. I spoke to our representative from the county today about it and they have been running behind, and the State kind of got    40  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  the blame. They said that over the last year and a half the State has been 15 months behind schedule with their funding and with the approvals of projects going forward.  So, our representative at the county  was going to be meeting with DCED today just as a follow up going forward with all the projects that are in house. Our project is definitely there, it's definitely ready, and with our money that would be coming in for this year, you know, we should be perfectly fine with being able to cover our whole project for the senior center, upstairs, downstairs, you know,  the whole thing.  So, for our next meeting, I'17 have  more details for you because she'1l be giving  me more details.  MR. RINALDI: Sounds good. Thank  you.  MS. BARTOLETTI: And then just as an  update, the cats, you know, the situation with the cat program, sO that's up and running again. So, we have 30 vouchers that anyone who does the normal trapping and all that stuff, that they're able to come and get the vouchers    41  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  from the Borough.  So, at this point we have 30, and  then if we run out, you know, we'1l put a bit of the Borough money toward it to get some  more.  Ik know it's a program that a lot of  people feel is very, very important. So, you know, with spring coming, I guess it's the time we have to do all that stuff, whatever.  And Lee Grimes, she usually takes  the lead on it, and I know she's very anxious to  get it going again and to get the vouchers  in her hands. So, that's it.  MR. RINALDI: Anybody have any  questions for the Borough manager?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Thank you, Marylynn. MS. BARTOLETTI: You're welcome. MR. RINALDI: Before we go into new  business, we'11 go into public comment.  Mr. Zukauskas.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Good evening,  Mr. Rinaldi.  MR. RINALDI: Good evening. How are  you?    42  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Good. I haven't  seen you in a while.  MR. RINALDI: Where you been? MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Enjoying my  retirement. First I wanna thank the Mayor for wishing me a happy birthday on my Facebook. I haven't seen you in a while sO this is the  first :  MAYOR LEGG: Happy birthday. MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Thank you. I  appreciate it.  MR. RINALDI: Happy belated  birthday.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Thank you. MR. RINALDI: When was your  birthday?  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: December 29th. MR. RINALDI: Happy belated, belated  birthday.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Seventy-four years  old. I was gonna thank Joe, too. The last meeting I had mentioned a street sign that was obstructed by branches. The next day he was there and cleaned it. So, I got to thank him for that. That was really nice of him. I    43  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  appreciate that.  There's three things that I want to  bring up tonight. The first thing is about the clock. Can you give me an update about the clock that's going in the town :  MR. RINALDI: The clock that Council  was discussing putting up?  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Yeah. Can you give  me an update on that?  MR. RINALDI: As far as : we don't  have any particular clock picked out yet.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Oh, you didn't order  it yet?  MR. RINALDI: No, no, it's not  ordered.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: I see.  MR. RINALDI: It's not ordered. MS. BARTOLETTI: Early stages. MR. ZUKAUSKAS: In early stages. Is  there any chance that we can maybe put a vote on it, like, a clock or a bus stop? I mean, do we have a choice now or do you : you just decide on that, or can we, you know, have some input on what could go there? Like I said, there's a clock right across the street, and    44  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  like many people have -- I thought it'd be a  little different :  MR. RINALDI: Mr. Zukauskas, you're  at public comment, this is your input right  now.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Oh, okay.  MR. RINALDI: Give us your thoughts. MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Yeah. I would think  that maybe if we had a vote or just say who wants a clock or who wants a bench and an enclosed bus just to see what the opinion is,  that's all.  MR. RINALDI: Are you asking if we  took a consensus of the Borough?  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: No. No. You  probably didn't, but I thought maybe it would be a good idea to do something like that. It's up to you, I'm just giving you my opinion,  that's all.  MR. RINALDI: I wouldn't even know  the first means to begin to ask 8900 people how  to vote for something like that.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Well, maybe just  people that come in here, if you just say, Next month we're going to have a vote if we want a    45  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  clock or a bench or a bus stop.  MR. RINALDI: I could answer this  for you real quick, as one of the  representatives of this town and one of the people who will be voting, I will be voting for  a clock.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Okay.  MR. RINALDI: I don't know how the  other members at the table would, but I would  rather see a clock there.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: I see.  MR. RINALDI: If that's what you're  asking me, my opinion.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Okay. I just want  to give the Chief and the town an update on : just a while ago the police were called to the bus stop in front of my house and I was removed from the bus, so that was quite an experience  there.  Let's see now. I want the Chief and  the Borough to know that this police issue has been resolved. My transfer chair, which I take on the bus, which I brought tonight with me, is perfectly legal and is compliant. That bus driver did not know his job and he hasn't been    46  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  educated on how to do his job.  Also, the police officer that was  with you does not know her job. She does not know what she is talking about as far as seat belts, passengers, and the bus driver's concerns. So, she should learn about the regulations about seat belts, passengers and bus drivers before trying to give me or other  people some advice on that.  The third thing I would Tike to  know, as you know, Mr. Rinaldi, we're here for the Emlaw, can you give us an update about the Borough has an issue with Mr. Emlaw, I was wondering? I haven't heard anything since that court date. Is there an update on that that  you could tell us about?  ATTY. RINALDI: We haven't gotten  anything.  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: We spoke about it  before.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Oh, you did? MR. SOKOLOWSKI: Yeah.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: I'm sorry. Has it  been resolved or :  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No.    47  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: It hasn't been  resolved?  MR. SOKOLOWSKI: No.  MR. RINALDI: Mr. Zukauskas, I could  give it to you real quick. Mike, I don't mean to interrupt you. It's in the Court's hands  right now.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Yes, sir. MR. RINALDI: The magistrate's  fining him $500 a day until the situation is  rectified.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: I see.  MR. RINALDI: We haven't heard  anything back from Emlaw, meaning we as our zoning officer. So, we asked him this evening to contact him tomorrow, let the magistrate know we haven't heard anything, what could we  do starting tomorrow?  Is he just going to continue to get  fined $500 a day, according to the magistrate's order? Did the magistrate give him a timeline? Will the magistrate give him a timeline? We won't know that until we contact the  magistrate.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: I see.    48  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RINALDI: But that's where we  are now, he's being fined 500 a day according  to Magistrate Seig.  MR. ZUKAUSKAS: Okay. Thank you,  Mr. Rinaldi.  MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. MR. ZUKAUSKAS: I was just  interested in that case. Okay. That's all I  got. Thank you very much.  MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. Thank  you. Anyone else from the public before we  move into new business?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Okay. With that said,  we're going to move into our first item, and that's going to be item number one is an ordinance amending Chapter 339, Vending and  Amusement Machines.  An ordinance of the Borough of 01d  Forge, Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania, an ordinance of the Borough of 01d Forge, Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania amending Chapter 339, Vending Machines and Amusement devices, of the code of the Borough of 01d  Forge.    49  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Whereas, the Borough of 01d Forge  has previously considered and prohibited the expansion of gaming facilities and slot machines within the Borough of 01d Forge, with the adoption and passage of Resolution number four of 2017, prohibiting a category four casino within the boundaries of the Borough and notifying the secretary at the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board of its decision pursuant to Pennsylvania Legislative Act 42 of 2017,  No. 4, Pa. Section 1305-1.  At this time the Chair would  entertain a motion to pass this ordinance.  MR. HOOVER: I will make that  motion.  MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by  Councilman Hoover.  MS. SHOTWELL: I'11 second.  MR. RINALDI: Second by Councilwoman  vones-Shotwell. On the question?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Public input?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman    50  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Shotwell?  MS. SHOTWELL: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman  Komensky?  MR. KOMENSKY: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari?  MR. NOTARI: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Avvisato?  MS. AVVISATO: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover?  MR. HOOVER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. Item number two  is a resolution setting the amount of a license fee for a license issue under Chapter 339, a resolution of the Borough of 01d Forge of Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania adopting the amount of a license fee under Chapter 339, Vending Machines and Amusement Devices, of the  code of the Borough of 01d Forge.  whereas, the Chapter 339-4, Vending  Machines and Amusement Devices, of the code of    51  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  the Borough of 01d Forge requires that any person, firm, corporation, association  displaying for the public patronage or keeping for operation any cigarette machine, vending machine, Jukebox, coin-operated amusement machine or mechanical amusement device as defined by 339-2 shall be required to obtain a license from the Borough of 01d Forge upon a payment fee of $25 at an annual rate.  At this time the Chair would  entertain a motion to pass that ordinance.  MS. AVVISATO: I'17 make that  motion, Mr. Chairman.  MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by  Councilwoman Avvisato.  MR. KOMENSKY: I'11 second it. MR. RINALDI: Second by Councilman  Komensky. On the question?  MR. NOTARI: On the question,  Mr. Chairman.  MR. RINALDI: Yes.  MR. NOTARI: I understand the reason  for this and I understand the possible need for this, but I'm not going to be voting for this because I just don't feel it's fair to give our    52  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  current businesses another fee that they have to pay for a jukebox or a video game that they may have in their establishment. That's all.  MR. RINALDI: On the question?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Public input? MR. BUTLER: Are they paying  anything already for this?  MR. NOTARI: No.  MR. BUTLER: There's no fee? MR. RINALDI: Are they currently  paying a fee for it? No.  MR. NOTARI: And I would doubt any  of them have a license.  ATTY. RINALDI: I think years ago,  and I'm talking years ago, people used to pay.  Ij just remember, but  MR. HOOVER: They didn't pay per  machine, though, they paid per establishment.  ATTY. RINALDI: Right.  MR. HOOVER: So, but you're saying  that anybody could come in here across the street and put a gaming license : or machine in there and not have any consequences?  MR. NOTARI: Well, I thought we took    53  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  that out, though.  ATTY. RINALDI: Right.  MR. NOTARI: I thought that's what  we just passed.  ATTY. RINALDI: This was your old  ordinance, but I couldn't find the fee anywhere  on what it cost.  MR. HOOVER: So, the ordinance has  always been there :  MS. AVVISATO: Right.  MR. HOOVER: : it's just that there  was  ATTY. RINALDI: Since 1983, anybody  operating those machines had to have a license.  MR. HOOVER: Well, I think $25 is  minimal. Okay. I'm done.  MR. RINALDI: On the question?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Public input? MR. STULL: Yeah, one question,  Mr. Chairman.  MR. RINALDI: Sure.  MR. STULL: Who are we trying to go  after, people that are putting in the skill  machines?    54  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RINALDI: The skill machines  were just voted on at the prior ordinance.  MR. STULL: Right. Correct. MR. RINALDI: To eliminate them.  Those aren't allowed in the Borough.  MR. STULL: They're not allowed? MR. RINALDI: As of right now. MR. STULL: So, I'm taking that all  the convenient stores, all the gas stations that have them in there, they're going to have to get them out of there, is that what the understanding is on that ordinance?  ATTY. RINALDI: If they are, and  I'11 give you the terminology if you give me one second, if they are entitling the person to receive cash, a cash equivalent or gift cards or vouchers for tickets or items, you know,  like you would as a payoff.  MR. STULL: Right.  ATTY. RINALDI: Yes. That's what  they're trying to eliminate.  MR. STULL: Okay. I know there's a  ton in the town.  MR. RINALDI: On the question?  (No response.)    55  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RINALDI: Public input?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Shotwell?  MS. SHOTWELL: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman  Komensky?  MR. KOMENSKY: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari?  MR. NOTARI: No.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Avvisato?  MS. AVVISATO: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover?  MR. HOOVER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. Item number  three is a resolution ratifying the extension of the existing refuse and bulky waste  collection and disposal contract, a resolution ratifying the election to extend for one year the refuse and bulky waste collection and    56  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  disposal contract with Solid Waste Services, Incorporated, doing business as J.P. Mascaro &  Sons, until June 30, 2025.  Bill, could you just state the  amount for the record?  MS. BARTOLETTI: I have that. MR. RINALDI: Marylynn. I'm sorry. MS. BARTOLETTI: $507,060.  MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor to  approve that extension of the contract.  MR. BUTLER: I'17 make the motion. MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by  Councilman Butler.  MR. KOMENSKY: I'17 second it. MR. RINALDI: A second by Councilman  Komensky. On the question?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Public input?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Shotwell?  MS. SHOTWELL: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman  Komensky?    57  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. KOMENSKY: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari?  MR. NOTARI: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Avvisato?  MS. AVVISATO: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover?  MR. HOOVER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. Bill, the next  item is item number four, the St. Lawrence Church lease. Are we able to put that to the  floor without the lease in hand?  ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah. I have a PDF  copy of it and Marylynn will get a secure one  of it.  MR. RINALDI: Okay.  MR. HOOVER: That's what this was. MR. RINALDI: No, but he said he  didn't have a signed copy.  MR. HOOVER: Oh, okay.  ATTY. RINALDI: That is signed. MR. RINALDI: Oh, it is signed now?    58  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  ATTY. RINALDI: Your names aren't  printed in.  MR. RINALDI: Okay. I get it. (Inaudible crosstalk.)  ATTY. RINALDI: : here if you know  who it is.  MR. RINALDI: Okay. I just wanted  to make sure.  ATTY. RINALDI: I know it's  Mr. Febbo and I think everybody knows who the  other gentleman :  MR. RINALDI: John Romano. Okay.  At the time the Chair would entertain a motion to accept the St. Lawrence Church lease modification between the 01d Forge Borough and  the Sons of Italy.  MR. BUTLER: I'17 make the motion. MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by  Councilman Butler.  MR. NOTARI: I'11 second it. MR. RINALDI: Second by Councilman  Notari. On the question?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Public input?  (No response.)    59  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RINALDI: Roll call, please. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Shotwell?  MS. SHOTWELL: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman  Komensky?  MR. KOMENSKY: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Notari?  MR. NOTARI: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman  Avvisato?  MS. AVVISATO: Yes.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Hoover?  MR. HOOVER: No.  MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RINALDI: Yes. No more items  under new business. If members don't have anything, we'17 go around the table. Mayor  Legg, any items?  MAYOR LEGG: Thank you,  Mr. Chairman.  MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. MAYOR LEGG: Good job tonight. We    60  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  had a ton of stuff to go through and you kind of just threw it at breakneck speed. Good job.  MR. RINALDI: Thank you. MAYOR LEGG: That's all I have.  Thank you.  MR. RINALDI: You're welcome.  Councilwoman vones-Shotwel17  MS. SHOTWELL: Yeah. Just on the  last new business item of the St. Lawrence Church lease, I know that we all spoke about this and we're going to continue to explore the future of what we plan to actually do with that building, sO I think the appraisal is a great  idea Mayor Legg brought up.  MAYOR LEGG: I'm glad I thought of  it.  MS. SHOTWELL: But I would like to  find a greater purpose for it or wash our hands  of it.  MAYOR LEGG: Yep.  MR. RINALDI: Anything else? MS. SHOTWELL: That's it.  MR. RINALDI: Thank you. Councilman  Komensky?  MR. KOMENSKY: I have nothing at the    61  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  present time, Mr. Chairman.  MR. RINALDI: Councilman Notari? MR. NOTARI: Two things,  Mr.  Chairman. I would ask that the solicitor draw up a resolution for a license fee for rental licenses in the Borough for our next business meeting sO we can get moving in that  direction.  We've been very lax on our rental  license enforcement. I've been told over the years that it's because we don't have a license fee. Within five minutes we came up with a license fee tonight for vending and amusement machines. Hopefully we could do something more important and come up with a fee for rental property license to try to clean up our town.  The second thing is do we have any  update from the zoning department, the zoning solicitor, on the mural for Main Street for the  building next to the bank?  ATTY. RINALDI: I - think we're  waiting for the new zoning amendment to pass  because that will cover murals.  MR. NOTARI: Okay. So, there is  something in the works?    62  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  ATTY. RINALDI: Because right now  you can't do them.  MR. NOTARI: Right. But they are  working on it?  ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah.  MR. NOTARI: Okay. Because other  businesses have approached me with interest in doing the same thing. Okay. That's all I  have. Thank you.  MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. Only  to - answer one question about the fee for the apartments. Councilman Hoover, at the last meeting, when we : not the last meeting, we met with NEIC and a few of their zoning department members, Councilman Hoover said maybe we should have a meeting with them. They  do a lot of :  MR. NOTARI: That's a good idea. MR. RINALDI: : zoning around  different boroughs.  MR. NOTARI: They could give us an  idea?  MR. RINALDI: And they could help us  with : well, we could come up with our own fee, like you said, but they said that they    63  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  could even help us, you know, get the --  MS. BARTOLETTI: Structure it.  Structure the whole thing.  MR. RINALDI: Yeah. Get the  landlord and tenant arrangements together between us and the Borough so we have a better understanding of who's living where, you know, like, structure the whole ordinance to it.  MR. NOTARI: Okay.  MR. RINALDI: But a fee for it is  definitely in place.  MR. NOTARI: I mean, we already have  the ordinance on the books, right?  MS. BARTOLETTI: Yes.  MR. RINALDI: Well, we were going to  ask them to help us come in and :-  MR. NOTARI: Enforce it.  MR. RINALDI: : enforce it with  Mike.  MR. NOTARI: Okay.  MR. KOMENSKY: To get the whole  rental registration.  MR. RINALDI: Or just ask them how  they do it in other boroughs just to get some information off them. But the fee is    64  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  definitely a major part. So, Councilman Notari had a great idea, if we could have that for the next time, that'd be very good. Anything else?  MR. NOTARI: No. That's it.  Thanks.  MR. RINALDI: You're welcome.  Councilman Butler?  MR. BUTLER: Nothing.  MR. RINALDI: Councilwoman Avvisato? MS. AVVISATO: I have nothing  tonight. Thank you.  MR. RINALDI: Councilman Hoover? MR. HOOVER: Joe, did we ever get a  price off of Earthworks for Mondo's driveway  going across the road?  MR. LENCESKI. He never gave me a  price.  MR. HOOVER: A11 right. I called  him last week but he knows with you :  MR. LENCESKI: Right. Right. MR. HOOVER: And he didn't call me  back yet. He must be on vacation.  MR. LENCESKI: I'17 call him in the  morning.  MR. HOOVER: A17 right. And, Rick,    65  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  when we discussed that thing with NEIC the other day about the zoning for said property that we're interested in, he had some good ideas. And I said, you know, I sat here and thought about it, and I said, you know, Ricky had a good point about the landlord-tenant agreements, and it's been going on a while doing nothing, and they can only help us get it off the ground. So, that's why I thought it  was a good idea.  And they're willing to help us do  whatnot. Now, it may cost us a little bit of money but I think it's going to be worth it because we can get this thing off the ground and they could take care of it, you know, even  on a part-time zoning base.  MR. NOTARI: That's fine by me.  MR. HOOVER: Okay.  MR. NOTARI: The quicker we get it  in motion the better.  MR. HOOVER: Yeah.  MR. RINALDI: Anything else? MR. HOOVER: No. That's it. I have  nothing else.  MR. RINALDI: The only item I have    66  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  is I would ask that we have a quick executive afterwards, and if the Chief could stay just for a few moments. Joe, before I -- I have to ask you, Jolene, I wanted to ask you, are you  here :-  MS. MILES: Baseball?  MR. RINALDI: : from the little  league?  MS. MILES: Yeah.  MR. RINALDI: Okay. Well, I was  going to -- I'm going to get to you in one  second.  MS. MILES: A17 right.  MR. RINALDI: Joe, did you have  anything for the meeting? I know you came late and we skipped over you right from the  beginning, sO :  MR. LENCESKI: No. I have nothing. MR. RINALDI: -- I didn't know if  you had anything for us or if any of the members had any questions for you. Does anybody have anything for Joe?  (No response.)  MR. RINALDI: Okay. I - just wanted  to give you the opportunity in case you did.    67  MR. LENCESKI: Thank you. MR. RINALDI: You're welcome.  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Jolene, the last we spoke about the mural down at Pagnotti, Council's okay with the mural.  MS. MILES: Okay.  MR. RINALDI: I told Carl last week,  I thought we had to vote on it, I talked to the solicitor tonight, we don't have to vote on it.  MS. MILES: Okay.  MR. RINALDI: The only thing we  require, and we're going to have Marylynn talk to Carl tomorrow, the only thing we said is we're okay with the mural, we're okay with you guys painting it, we just want the final rendering, the final, like, drawing of what's going to go on it sent to Marylynn first, and then we could just give the final approval for  it.  MS. MILES: Perfect. MR. RINALDI: Okay?  MS. MILES: Yeah. Thank you. MR. RINALDI: And then the other  thing we asked, Marylynn brought it up, or Jenna brought it up, we just want to make sure all the information is correct with the :    68  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MS. SHOTWELL: The date of  incorporation.  MR. RINALDI: : the centennial  year, the actual date.  MS. SHOTWELL: The date of  incorporation.  UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I did reach out to  David today.  MS. SHOTWELL: Okay.  UNKNOWN SPEAKER: He hasn't gotten  back to me yet. So, I'm just waiting for that.  MS. SHOTWELL: Okay.  UNKNOWN SPEAKER: He's the one that  gave me the original date.  MS. SHOTWELL: Okay.  UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So, I just want to  verify what that is for specifically.  MR. RINALDI: Right.  UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And then I'11  change it if necessary.  MR. RINALDI: So, we're okay with  the mural just as long as the final drawing and what you're ready to put up comes to Marylynn  first, then she'11 give it to us.  MS. MILES: Okay. Perfect.    69  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RINALDI: Okay? MS. MILES: Thank you.  MR. RINALDI: You're welcome. If  there's no other items, the Chair would entertain a motion to adjourn.  MS. AVVISATO: I'77 make that  motion.  MR. RINALDI: Motion on the floor by  Councilwoman Avvisato. A11 in favor?  ALL MEMBERS: Aye.  MR. RINALDI: Thank you everyone.  Good evening.  (Meeting adjourned.)    70  1 2 3 4 5  CERTIFICATE  I hereby certify that the proceedings and evidence are contained fully and accurately in the notes taken by me of the above-cause and that this copy 6 is a correct transcript of the same to the best of my  7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24  ability.  IN  Mihik Michelle Smolskis Official Court Reporter  (The foregoing certificate of this transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means unless under the direct control and/or supervision of  25 the certifying reporter.)