OLD FORGE BOROUGH COUNCIL OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA  IN RE: COUNCIL WORK SESSION  May 3, 2022 7:00 p.m. EAGLE MCCLURE HOSE COMPANY 375 MILWAUKEE AVE OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA  APPEARANCES: LOU FEBBO JIM HOOVER ANDY BUTLER BOB LEGG, MAYOR  RUSSELL RINALDI, PRESIDENT RICK NOTARI, VICE PRESIDENT  DAVID LOPATKA, BOROUGH ENGINEER BILL STULL, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF WILLIAM RINALDI, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR  CHRISTOPHER HART, ZONING/CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER  MOLLIE GILL, RPR COURT REPORTER    (Pledge of Allegiance.)  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Roll call,  please, Bill.  ATTY. RINALDI: Ms. Avvisato,  absent. Mr. Butler.  MR. BUTLER: Here. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Febbo. MR. FEBBO: Here.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Hoover. MR. HOOVER: Here.  ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Lettieri,  absent. Mr. Notari.  MR. NOTARI: Present. ATTY. RINALDI: Mr. Rinaldi. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Here. Thanks,  Bill.  Once again, ladies and gentlemen,  welcome to 01d Forge Borough work session. The purpose of tonight's meeting is to set the agenda for our meeting, which will be in three weeks - because it will be Tuesday the 24th of May because we postponed it one week because of Election Day. We'11 go through some of our department heads. We'11 hear from our mayor. We'11 go down the    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  table from our council. We'17 hear from our solicitor. If anyone from the public would like to sign in, there's a sheet with the chief. We'11 give you a few minutes at the end of the meeting. With that said, our DPW manager Joe Lenceski is absent. So we'17 go to our code enforcement zoning officer, Christopher Hart. Chris, anything for the  meeting?  MR. HART: Nothing for the meeting.  But the only thing I do have is -- I was just saying before, Lou Stassi resigned tonight from the planning commission. He just : he said he's had enough. It was just his time. It wasn't a good year for him, so. But on that note, I spoke with Dave Fife who was on the planning commission at one point, and he is willing to step up if you guys are, you know, willing to approve. He'11 come in as an alternate, and Billy would drop from the alternate down into the commission. And then Dave would come in as the alternate, and we'17 wait and see what ends up with Bob Potosky in the end. We'17 give him some time. Just as    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  long as, you know, we have enough to break a  tie. So it's up to you guys.  ATTY. RINALDI: When is the meeting  and where?  MR. HART: Tuesday.  ATTY. RINALDI: Next Tuesday? MR. HART: Yes, this upcoming  Tuesday.  ATTY. RINALDI: Here?  MR. HART: As of now, here, yes. ATTY. RINALDI: Okay. A11 right. MR. NOTARI: So we can put that on  the agenda then for the next meeting.  ATTY. RINALDI: Planning member  alternate we're going to add. Right? Because we only have one alternate now?  MR. NOTARI: Right.  MR. HART: Yes. We only had one,  which was Billy, and now Billy would step  down.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We'17 have to  vote on putting Billy on. We're going to have to vote on Lou's resignation first, and then we have to vote on putting Billy on because he is the alternate. And then we    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  have to vote on putting a new alternate on. So we'11 have three motions : three separate motions for the planning seat.  MR. NOTARI: Chris, I think we'1l  need Lou's resignation.  MR. HART: He's supposed to have his  resignation to myself or MaryLynn by Friday.  MR. NOTARI: Letter or email. MR. HART: Yeah. And then after  that, I mean, it's up in the air. I C don't want to go make assumptions with Bob Potosky. Hopefully, you know, everything works out and he comes back. But as of now, just in case, because I know there's a lot of things coming up in the future, so.  ATTY. RINALDI: If he's coming back,  then you just put the alternates and the alternates would do the job. If you're going to take his resignation, then yeah,  you have to fill the seat.  MR. HART: Lou is definitely  resigning. Bob Potosky, he is just temporary with medical leave.  ATTY. RINALDI: Okay. Got you.  Sorry, I was getting confused. So Lou    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Stassi is resigning.  MR. HART: Yes.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else,  Chris?  MR. HART: No, that's all. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have  any questions for the zoning officer?  Thanks, Chris.  MR. HART: Thank you.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Dave Lopatka,  engineer. Anything for the agenda or for  the meeting coming up?  MR. LOPATKA: Nothing for the  meeting, nope.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have  any questions for Dave?  MR. LEGG: How old are you, Dave? MR. LOPATKA: Double digits. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Happy  birthday, Dave.  MR. LOPATKA: Thanks. MR. NOTARI: Dave, how is the  progress at the borough building?  MR. LOPATKA: Everything, as far as  I know, is done other than the cameras. I    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  don't know -- Vector is doing the cameras. They weren't part of the project. They were separate. She hired them separately. But they are having issues with Supulski with regards to : we have the cameras outside, and he's saying that they need some kind of connection sO that if someone who is hearing-impaired or something can plug like a - device in to type into the office. So Vector is supposed to be getting that.  Now, I called DMG, who is the MVP on  the building project, and they are looking into it for me too to see if they can get me the idea. But all the wires and everything, we've been back and forth a couple times. They were there a couple times, and they are all active. Everything is good in there. So that part of it should be done. It's really the cameras at this point.  MR. NOTARI: How about the railing  out the front?  MR. LOPATKA: The railing, I'm still  waiting for them to get back to me. I sent them an email last week. They were : and MaryLynn said that they had somebody else    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  there that was wiping something on there, but you know, I don't think anything that they wipe on there is going to fix the  issue.  MR. NOTARI: No. They should just  replace it.  MR. LOPATKA: They should just  replace it.  MR. NOTARI: If it's rusting it's  obviously bad.  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. I mean, it's  supposed to be stainless steel.  MR. FEBBO: Stainless steel doesn't  rust. Right?  MR. LOPATKA: Doesn't rust. So  whatever is on there or whatever they used isn't the right stuff. So I'11 follow up with them, and I'11 set up a meeting with them out there and tell them, you know, we're not comfortable with it. We want it  replaced.  MR. FEBBO: Dave, with that being  said, if we're going' to replace the railing, what about the flagstone that's embedded in it? How do we get that pipe out?    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. LOPATKA: Well, it's cord. The  railing has cord into it. So they can get the railing out without messing with the  flagstone.  MR. FEBBO: OKAY.  MR. LOPATKA: I'11 get a meeting set  up. I'11 call them tomorrow and get something set up maybe before the end of the week and try to get that resolved.  MR. NOTARI: Thanks, Dave. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody else  have any questions for Dave? Thanks, Dave.  Chief Dubernas, anything for the  agenda or for the meeting?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: Just the civil  service rules. I already talked to Attorney Rinaldi about it. He is meeting with Attorney Solfanelli next week.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have  any questions for the chief?  MR. NOTARI: Chief, did you ever get  any answer on any of the officers interested in the county bike safety fair, helping out?  CHIEF DUBERNAS: I forgot to ask.  I'17 look into it tomorrow. So I'17 find    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  out.  MR. NOTARI: May 14th --  CHIEF DUBERNAS: I have the email  from Eric.  MR. NOTARI: The County is having a  bike safety fair at McDade 11 to 2, and they are looking for some volunteers from the local police departments to help with helmet fittings for the kids. Okay. Let me know.  Thanks.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody else  have any questions for the chief? Thanks,  Chief.  CHIEF DUBERNAS: I got one sign-in.  Ms. Strazik.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Okay. Sure.  Bill Stull, assistant fire chief, anything for the agenda or for the meeting?  MR. STULL: No, nothing at all. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have  any questions for Bill?  MR. FEBBO: Bill, did you sell any  tickets?  MR. STULL: I - did very good over  there. If we didn't get the call, I think    we would have sold out. Yeah, we did very  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  well over there. Thank you.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone else?  Thanks, Bill.  Attorney Rinaldi, anything for the  agenda or for the meeting?  ATTY., RINALDI: Civil service rules  may be on the agenda if they get approved by the Civil Service Commission. I have a meeting with their solicitor next week to just finalize them. He can get them approved, and they'11 come to the council to  approve.  And as we already discussed, the  accept a resignation, add an alternate, and fill a vacancy on the planning commission. And that's all I have for the agenda.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone have  any questions for the solicitor? Thanks,  Bill.  Borough manager is absent this  evening. If anybody has any questions, you can email her or call her tomorrow. It's her mom's birthday, I believe, this evening.  Right?    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. LEGG: Uh-huh.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Before we go  down the table, we'1l go into public  comment. Mrs. Strazik.  MS. STRAZIK: Yeah, I am back. I  haven't given up. I just want to know how, you know, you're going to help me resolve my  water problem.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Apache Drive. MR. LOPATKA: I have the plan. I  brought it to the one meeting. We have a  solution for it.  MR. FEBBO: You brought the plans to  the council?  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah, I brought them  to a meeting. It was a while back, though. I'17 bring them again. I'17 bring them to  the next meeting.  MR. HOOVER: What was the solution? MR. LOPATKA: Put an inlet above :  above the driveway and a pipe across and tie into the existing inlet that's down there. Not an overly difficult solution.  MR. HOOVER: Let's just get some  estimates and get it done.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Ir remember Joe  saying something about it : or you saying something about it that we were just waiting until the weather got better; is that  correct?  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. I mean, the  plan :-  ATTY. RINALDI: I do remember Joe  saying something :  MR. LOPATKA: I'11 send the plan to  MaryLynn and have her distribute it to you  guys.  MR. FEBBO: So that being said, next  meeting let's take a look at these plans and move to get this done. You've been here, what, a year now? You've been coming here to the meeting? Almost a year? I thought  that was done.  MR. NOTARI: Do we have to wait  until the next meeting?  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I don't think  we have to wait at all.  ATTY. RINALDI: You can tell  MaryLynn to get the votes now.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: It's only an    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  inlet and a pipe. We said we're going to  put it up before the house.  MR. LOPATKA: Put an inlet up on the  high side of the driveway.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: On the left  side. If you look at the house, on the left  side.  MR. LOPATKA: On the left side. MR. BUTLER: I was over there  looking at it, and you can see the dirt in the front of her driveway where the water is actually pulling the dirt right in front of her driveway. And the lip in front of the driveway is pretty high, sO the water has got to be coming down there pretty good to be going over that lip. A11 of that dirt is there because of the water. So the water. is basically hitting her driveway right in  front of her house.  MR. FEBBO: Okay. So if we have  plans, and we have the okay on it, okay. Get ahold of Joe and find out what we have to do, and perhaps in two weeks when we come back to this meeting, she can come in and  tell us that the job is done.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  ATTY. RINALDI: Well, she can tell  us that it's fixed if it's under :  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah, and it's all  going to depend on what the cost is, I guess. Whether or not you have to bid on it. We'11 get quotes first, and if it's under 20 grand, then it could be done. If  it's over, it has to be bid.  MR. HOOVER: Why don't you get the  estimate for us, Dave. And then in the meantime, get three bids and we'17 see where  we're at.  ATTY. RINALDI: The most you'11 have  to do is just approve it.  MR. LOPATKA: Well, the inlet and  the pipe, you have to cut the road and you have to repair the roads. So I mean,  there's some cost to it.  MR. FEBBO: Catch basins?  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah. I'11 send it to  her tomorrow and just tell her we'11 send it  out and we'17 get some numbers.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yeah, let's do  that.  MR. BUTLER: Dave, is having that    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  drain right in front of her driveway a  problem or no?  MR. LOPATKA: It's not going to be  right in front. It's actually :- if you're looking at her driveway, that whole road drains down. So we're putting an inlet on the upper side of her driveway. So all that water it's coming down from Apache.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: It will drain  before it will start.  MR. LOPATKA: Gets into that inlet  before it cuts across in front of the house.  MS. STRAZIK: It's not going to  help. Beaver said -- he looked at it. It cuts right across where : because the road is eating away about this deep now right in front of my driveway. Putting it before that is not going to help. It cuts directly across from where the road is all eaten up. That's where the water cuts across.  MR. LOPATKA: It comes down the road  across the street from you?  MS. STRAZIK: Yes.  MR. LOPATKA: Well, that's not what  I mean, we had it surveyed.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MS. STRAZIK: The middle of the  driveway. That's where it cuts right  across.  MR. LOPATKA: And we can put an  inlet in there, too. I mean, then you're  collecting it both ways.  MR. FEBBO: Dave, take a look at  that and see what  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah, I'11 take a ride  by when we're leaving. I mean, we had it surveyed, sO the contours kind of show you where everything is going. But if it's coming straight down from across, then we could always set one in front and where the 1ow spot is, as well as the upper side, and  mean :  MR. BUTLER: Where all that dirt is,  all that soot in there, that's the low spot because that's where all the dirt is. There's no dirt on either side of her  driveway. It's just :  MR. LOPATKA: Well, there's a low  spot there.  MR. BUTLER: It's about ten feet  long.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. FEBBO: When it comes down the  road, and it comes across the road, does it come directly or does it come from different  MS. STRAZIK: No, it cuts directly  across right at the middle of the driveway.  MR. FEBBO: The flow. The flow  itself, is it a big flow? Like, a wide  flow? Or is it :-  MS. STRAZIK: Yeah, it's wide. MR. FEBBO: Dave, check that out. MR. LOPATKA: A11 right. I'11  actually drive by there when we leave. When I leave I'17 go take a look at it.  MR. FEBBO: Thank you. MS. STRAZIK: Thank you. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You're  welcome. Anything else?  MS. STRAZIK: No, that's it. MR. FEBBO: I thought that was  already handled. I C didn't know that. I didn't think I would see you anymore.  MS. STRAZIK: I haven't heard  anything.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We'1l go down    the table, see if anybody has anything for the meeting or the agenda. Mayor Legg.  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. LEGG: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.  h have nothing.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You're  welcome.  Councilman Febbo.  MR. FEBBO: I have a personal issue but I discussed it with Bill : on Angela Drive. As a matter of fact, a year ago, two people were supposed to go see Mr. Ciuccio about turning the roads over, Angela Drive and Iacovazzi Drive. Jim, I think you were on the committee with Bobby a year ago.  MR. HOOVER: I don't remember that,  Lou.  MR. FEBBO: Russ, can we have :  appoint a committee again to go see him.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Sure. MR. FEBBO: I don't know if we can  get anywhere with it, but at least :-  MR. HOOVER: I'11 go see him again.  I'11 call him.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Make  conversation at least and ask.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. FEBBO: Yeah, ask him if he can  turn the roads over. Because I'm getting pelted up there with mud coming down off the property. Especially Iacovazzi Drive, all the soot on the roads is coming down to my yard. And there's a catch basin in there, a homemade one, that Piccolinis put in years ago when they owned the property. That's blocked up solid. So consequently there's no room for it to come down the sides of the roads. So it comes over the top and it comes right down my driveway.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Yeah, let's  call him and him and ask him.  MR. FEBBO: A17 right. That's the  first step.  MR. HOOVER: Where's that catch  basin, Lour? Right in front of your house?  MR. FEBBO: Catty-cornered.  Actually in front of Joe Arnold's house. Right on the intersection between Angela  Drive.  MR. HOOVER: A11 right. I'17 call  him when I leave here.  MR. FEBBO: Yes. See if he'1l turn    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  over Iacovazzi Drive, Angela Drive, and Pittston Avenue. They are all the three roads that he owns. Because I mean, the roads are deplorable right now broken up and all that. We paid to have them paved years ago. That's when Iacovazzi owned the road. Now, Ciuccio took over. And the bottom line with all that is, all the runoff is coming from his property. When he bulldozed it a few years back when he put the fence up, he  caused the water problem.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Let's have  Jimmy give him a call.  MR. FEBBO: Thanks, Jim. I  appreciate it.  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, I'11 take care of  it.  MR. FEBBO: That's all.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else?  Councilman Notari.  MR. NOTARI: I have a couple things.  First off, I was contacted by the County Economic Development Department. They have community development block grant  Coronavirus funds that they had originally    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  earmarked for a program. It wasn't a great  response for the program.  So now they have determined they  would like to use that money to provide hotspots at all of the housing authorities within Lackawanna County. Those hotspots would give free access to the residents there. We have two of those housing developments in the Borough. They would like : they are not looking, I don't think, for our permission, but they are looking for our blessing that we wouldn't have any problem with them using those funds to do that at our two county housing projects.  MR. LEGG: What are they going to  do? I C don't understand.  MR. NOTARI: They are going to  provide free internet to the residents.  MR. LEGG: Oh, okay.  MR. NOTARI: The one on Dunn Avenue  and the one on Eisenhower and Apollo. So they would have  they would then have access to internet. So I know we have a lot of low-income residents there, probably a lot of families and children at Dunn, a lot    of seniors at Eisenhower. So I think it's a good program. They were just looking for our blessing if we would agree to that.  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  I'm not sure -- I talked to MaryLynn  about it today, too. She didn't seem to think that we were going to need to present a resolution or anything. That they were just kind of looking for our approval, our  blessing.  ATTY. RINALDI: They own the lots,  the housing authority.  MR. NOTARI: So if that's all right  with everybody, I'11 give --  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Do we need a  resolution for that, Bill?  ATTY. RINALDI: If they want one. MR. NOTARI: A17 right. I'11 find  out if they need a resolution, and if they do, we'11 put it on the agenda for the next meeting. Otherwise I'11 tell them we, you know - we have no problem with it.  Also, just wanted to remind  everybody that our voting sites are the same as the same election. May 17th is the primary election. There will be four of our    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  wards in this building: 3, 6-1, 6-2, and 2. The original one, of course. Right? And that Ward 1 stays at the park at Miles Street, and Wards 4 and 5 at the County  housing at Eisenhower.  And lastly, Councilman Febbo was  talking about how bad the roads are at his house. The roads are bad all over town. I can't get over how bad some of the roads are. I know that has a lot to do with the weather that we have in this part of the country and this part of the state.  So I noticed that this week in the  paper, maybe last week in the paper, Archbald approved a 20-year paving program let me back up. Maybe it was $20 million over 15 years. So I thought maybe that's something that we should consider. Now, I didn't get any details on it. My thought was they bid it all at once to make it  cheaper.  MR. LOPATKA: I doubt it. MR. NOTARI: You doubt it, Dave?  That it would be cheaper?  MR. LOPATKA: Well, I don't doubt    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  that it would be cheaper, but bidding it all at once, just with the fluctuation in oil prices, those contractors always have an escalator in there for oil prices. So I mean, they may have : they may have set it up sO they are breaking it down by area or something, and they are rebidding an area every year, but you would never get a contract of a lower price for more than a  year.  MR. NOTARI: A11 right. Well, I'm  going to ask MaryLynn to give Archbald a call and look into some of the details. And maybe our long range planning committee or paving committee, that can be something they can consider it. I believe they hired an outside surveying company or architecture company to come in and do up a plan where they should start, where they should finish. Because I know prices are, you know, sky-high, and I know we always have a plan every year to pave some streets, but, you know, maybe it's something that if we had a plan in place, we would know what would happen every year. So I believe that's all    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  h have. That's it. Thank you very much,  Mr. Chairman.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You're  welcome. Councilman Butler.  MR. BUTLER: I have one thing. I  was approached by people down Connell's patch. There is some really big holes, I guess, right in front of where Jimmy Popple used to live there. There is probably about five or six. They are not big. They are probably, you know, maybe 16 inches across and stuff like that. They want to know if there is anything we can do. They don't care if we can throw dirt in the hole.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Is this in  front of Humphrey Street?  MR. BUTLER: No, right over Maxon. CHIEF DUBERNAS: Oh, down near  Ripple street. Ripple Street Area.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Oh, down the  other way. Off of Union.  MR. BUTLER: There is five, maybe  six potholes there. They are not big, like S said, but they are deep. They got to be  six inches deep.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. FEBBO: Joe should take care of  that.  MR. BUTLER: Yeah, he is not here  tonight. It's not like they want the whole  street paved.  MR. FEBBO: Just tell MaryLynn. MR. BUTLER: Just something to throw  in the holes.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: They can throw  down a little bit of patch, and they can patch them up. Anything else?  MR. BUTLER: That's it.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Councilman  Hoover.  MR. HOOVER: A couple things. I  have been going over with Chris some of the permits over the last two weeks in regards to utility cuts, and just : we're going to change some of the permits, but the first permit I would like to change is for any utility company. It's $75 a hole to do if they are going to run a gas service or run a water service or a water leak or a gas leak or whatever. It's only $75, and the inspection fees are $55 an hour. So if an    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  inspector is there, we're losing money is what I'm getting at. We're losing a little  bit of money.  MR. FEBBO: We're getting 55, Jim? MR. HOOVER: Geosciences we're  paying $55 an hour. Now, sometimes they're there two hours. Sometimes they're there four hours, you know. It depends, but with 220 and 75 that we charge them, we're losing just a little bit of money, and it's coming out of our budget, which it shouldn't.  So I recommend that we up the gas  and utility water cuts to a hundred dollars a - cut, and that should cover us. Plus, I do want to look into : when I was at the water company, it was beneficial for us to go to the municipalities and tell them that, you know, we're going to put a water line in your road, a gas line in your road, run all the services. Then we'17 pave the road for you curb to curb if you waive the permit feet. Now that I'm on this side of the fence, it doesn't work. The boroughs are  losing money on that.  MR. NOTARI: The boroughs are losing    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  money on that?  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, because of the  inspection fee. Because of all the  inspection fees.  MR. NOTARI: Even though we're  getting the road paid for?  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, even though they  are paying for the road. So I think we should look at that and charge them for the service cuts, not charge them for the main line trench that they put the water line in and the gas line, but still charge them the hundred dollars a service cut, and that will pay for the inspection for that job. Because if we put an inspector on that job, and they are doing 25 services, they are putting a thousand feet of pipe in, all that inspection fee is just being turned over to the utility, and they are paying the bill.  MR. NOTARI: So, Jimmy, do we then  have to require as part of our permit that they are going to have to pave curb to curb?  MR. HOOVER: Yeah. That's still in  our requirements that they have to pave curb  to curb.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. NOTARI: Okay.  MR. HOOVER: So right now I would  like to set up a motion just to up it from 75 to 100, and we're gonna : I'm going to look at the projects that they're doing, and  we'11 discuss that further.  ATTY. RINALDI: Can you email me  that, and I'11 just do a resolution.  MR. HOOVER: Yeah.  MR. FEBBO: Jim, the end of the  drive on the Rosemount, the project's pretty much finished with the insulation?  MR. HOOVER: Well, the main line is  in. I was there today.  MR. FEBBO: Okay.  MR. HOOVER: The main line pipe is  in. They have to do all the services to each house. So as you go up, they have to run the services out. So you're going to see a lot more service cuts in the road. If you go up : water main is on the left hand side. So they are going to be across the street. I don't know if there's rock up  there or what. I don't know.  MR. FEBBO: I - don't think sO.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HOOVER: But they're going to  have to run all the services and the nydrolaterals and everything like that. So it looks good now, but once they start cutting the roads, they are going to put  service cuts in the roads.  MR. FEBBO: Yeah, it will be like  speed bumps. So then they will pave all that road completely when they are done?  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, they are supposed  to pave that curb to curb when they are  done.  ATTY. RINALDI: Can we send up our  inspector to see if there's any rain gutters hitting those new roads where they are going  to pave curb to curb?  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, we should send  Joe in.  MR. HART: There's a lot of them. I  was up there, and I went through them. I mean, just taking a ride I can see.  ATTY. RINALDI: Otherwise we're  going to cut it off where the right of way is because it will save you : the pave will  last longer.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HOOVER: I don't know if the  people are going to want us to go in their  yard and cut it off.  ATTY. RINALDI: What I'm saying is,  the right of way is in their yard. You got  the room to cut it.  MR. LOPATKA: Most of them are  buried, though.  MR. FEBBO: If they have to cut the  road, they're better off going through the yard. Anyone that has gutter coming out of the road, put an X in front of where it's  at.  MR. HOOVER: See, That's the problem  you're going to have. You're going to see that the curb : where the curb goes down the street, it's going to be notched to the curb -- notched out of the curb. You're going to see that round thing there. But as you go back in the yard, it may be two-feet deep in the yard because all those hills come down like this. So you run that straight, it may be 2-feet, 18 inches. So who is going to go up there in that yard and  dig that    MR. FEBBO: No, we should notify  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  them. Actually, the rain gutters just come off the house a couple feet. It doesn't have to go all the way down the middle of  the yard.  MR. HART: They can remove them  right at the house, and :  MR. NOTARI: You're going to hear  from them.  MR. HART: From Every single one of  them because 90 percent of them are out there. They're right out to the road.  MR. LOPATKA: It's the same thing  that the sewer authority did in Scranton and Dunmore because everybody was tied into the water into the sewer main, and they just made them cut them right at their gutters and put a meter out into the yard.  MR. HOOVER: Is there anything in  writing that says that we have to cut them  at the --  ATTY. RINALDI: Well, there's in  writing that you can fine them for running them into the road because we sent that  letter.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HART: It's in the ordinance. I  mean, but like said, I mean, they've been  there for :  MR. HOOVER: You sent that letter  out to them during this water project?  MR. HART: No, it was done before  me.  ATTY. RINALDI: I want to say right  when we finished paving those roads, within  a year.  MR. FEBBO: Before you came on  board, Jim.  MR. HOOVER: You know what, maybe we  should do that now.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Let's not :  let's not fine them.  MR. HOOVER: No, let's send :- MR. HART: No, let's send a letter  informing them what's going on.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Let's send a  letter to them explaining to them what :  MR. FEBBO: And that's what I'm  saying. Right where the gutter comes out of the road, put a white X there, and then send  them a letter.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. HOOVER: This is a water  project. We have to terminate your water service : your run off water line somewhere  on your property.  MR. FEBBO: And that's an easy fix  with the rain gutter, right to the house.  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, it is. ATTY. RINALDI: Save those roads. MR. HOOVER: Yeah, if they're going  to overlay the roads again, I think we should do that. Send that letter out again.  MR. HART: It's not the only area.  It's not the only development. I mean, but as we go along. I mean, if you made it, you know, publicly known, you know, as of now and the future any roads that are being done, you know, your rain gutter lines are going to be pulled back to your yard. You  know, give people :  MR. FEBBO: In Rosemount, the amount  of people -- everybody's gutter runs down  the road.  MR. HART: Pretty much. I would say  at least 90 percent.  MR. LOPATKA: They all do.    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  MR. FEBBO: So we need 100 percent  cooperation from them to do it.  MR. HART: Right. And if it's all  done up there, then you can get people to cooperate throughout town. I mean, it's :  MR. LOPATKA: You know, 90 percent  of rainstorms are two-year storms or less. So those are the smaller storms. The smaller storms, all that water that would go directly out to the road will get sucked up by the grass, and you won't have that water  on the road.  Now, the bigger storms, you know,  they are what they are. I mean, everybody there's water, and you're going to have a lot of water on your roads, but 90 percent of the storms are two-year or less. So most of that water wouldn't have to get out onto  the roads most of the time.  MR. FEBBO: And, again, it's a cheap  easy fix to do that.  MR. LOPATKA: It is.  MR. FEBBO: You know, not dig the  yard up. You're talking about cutting the elbow at the down spot, put an elbow on it,    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  and a piece of pipe.  MR. LOPATKA: Yeah, you can leave  the pipe in the yard.  MR. FEBBO: Yeah, exactly. Easy  fix.  MR. HOOVER: Dunn Avenue. That  portion of Dunn Avenue up there, it's about 200 feet, Dave. I think we should take a look at that and have somebody go up there and  just that 225 feet because there's a lot of people that walk on that road, and people are telling me that between the cars flying down there, two cars back-to-back, people walking on the road, somebody is  going to get hurt up there.  MR. FEBBO: At that intersection?  Before you came on board, that was a big hot  topic. Right, Dave?  MR. LOPATKA: Is that like a block  or sO in?  MR. HOOVER: It's about two blocks  in. You can't miss it. It's a shame. I would like to do the whole road, but it's going to cost us $625,000 to do the whole road. If we just do that one portion, it    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  shouldn't be too bad curb to curb.  MR. LOPATKA: We can get it  measured, and we can probably just send it  out and get some pricing on it.  MR. HOOVER: Maybe that guy from  Taylor can do it. What's his name? Conte?  Maybe he can do it for us.  MR. NOTARI: He's not from Taylor  anymore. again.  MR. HOOVER: We'11 get bids on it  MR. LOPATKA: Maybe you don't have  to. What are you looking at milling it and  base replacement?  MR. HOOVER: I think it needs a base  replacement there.  MR. LOPATKA: Even at 200 feet it's  going to be a pretty good cost probably because oil is a little higher right now.  MR. HOOVER: Yeah, we have the money  in our paving budget, sO. I mean, it would be nice if we have a couple other spots that  we could have him do.  MR. LOPATKA: We probably at least  got you rough numbers on that. Just show me    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  the extent of it.  MR. HOOVER: A11 right. I'11 send  you a picture of it. That's all I have. I mean, I don't know what you want to do with the paving program. I mean, they have 12 or 13 streets that I would like to do, but we  only have 900,000.  MR LEGG: From what I heard about  the price of blacktop today, it's  ridiculous.  MR. HOOVER: $120 a barrel. MR. LOPATKA: Well, it's all gauged  off of the oil price.  MR. NOTARI: We have 13 streets on  the list. We have more than 13 streets.  MR. HOOVER: Oh, yeah. It's cut  down.  MR. NOTARI: If it's going to be  double the cost, then I think it's worth  waiting.  MR. HOOVER: Okay. That's all I  have.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I have no  items. The only thing I would call for is just a brief executive after we adjourn. If    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  no one else has anything, the Chairman would  entertain a motion.  MR. NOTARI: I'11 make that motion,  Mr. Chairman.  MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Motion on the  floor by Councilman Notari. A11 in favor.  (Unanimous. 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