1 1 2 3 4 OLD FORGE BOROUGH COUNCIL OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA 5 IN RE: COUNCIL WORK SESSION 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 NOVEMBER 1, 2022 7:00 P.M. OLD FORGE MUNICIPAL BUILDING 314 SOUTH MAIN STREET OLD FORGE, PENNSYLVANIA COUNCIL MEMBERS: 20 RUSSELL RINALDI, PRESIDENT RICK NOTARI, VICE-PRESIDENT 21 LOUIS FEBBO JAMES HOOVER 22 ANDREW BUTLER WILLIAM RINALDI, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR 23 MARYLYNN BARTOLETTI, BOROUGH MANAGER ROBERT LEGG, MAYOR 24 25 Mark Wozniak Official Court Reporter 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I'd like to call the meeting to order with the Pledge of Allegiance. (The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.) MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Roll call, please, Marylynn. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Butler? MR. BUTLER: Here. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Febbo? MR. FEBBO: Here. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Lettieri is absent. Councilman Hoover? MR. HOOVER: Here. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilwoman Avvisato is absent. Councilman Notari? MR. NOTARI: Present. MS. BARTOLETTI: Councilman Rinaldi? MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Here. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to tonight's work session of the 01d Forge Borough, Tuesday, November 1, 2022. The purpose of our meeting will be to set our agenda for our next regular meeting which 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 will be Tuesday, November 15, 2022. We'11 hear from our department heads, we'1l here from our chief, our mayor, our council, our borough manager, solicitor. There's a public sign-in sheet. If anybody from the audience would like to address us with any questions we'1l give you a few minutes at the end of the meeting. With that said, we'17 move right to our first department head, Joseph Lenceski, DPW manager. Anything for the agenda coming up? MR. LENCESKI: Nothing. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have any questions for Joe? Thanks, Joe. Chris Hart, code enforcement/zoning officer. Anything coming up for the next meeting? MR. HART: I have nothing for the agenda. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have any questions for Chris? Thanks, Chris. for the next meeting, for the agenda? Dave Lopatka, engineer. Anything MR. LOPATKA: I don't have anything 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 for the agenda. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have any questions for Dave? MR. NOTARI: Dave, we received this prospective, I guess, from K. Potter. Is this your recommendation? MR. LOPATKA: Definitely, yes. He's very good. MS. BARTOLETTI: I was waiting for that for my : to input that on the agenda. We'1l put it on the agenda to vote on it next meeting. for design? MR. NOTARI: So this would just be MR. LOPATKA: Yes. MR. NOTARI: Design and plans. Then it will be approved and then put out for bid? MR. LOPATKA: Yes. MS. BARTOLETTI: The county will put it out for bid. We're going to use that money. MR. LOPATKA: We'17 put specs together, technical spec along with K. Potter, then the county puts it out to bid. 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. NOTARI: I just want to make sure when we get to the point that we have a construction manager included in the cost sO Marylynn doesn't have to be construction manager again. MR. LOPATKA: I - spoke with Marylynn about that, and aside from myself I'17 make sure I include Potter in the weekly meetings or bi-weekly meetings. MR. HOOVER: There's going to be somebody here during construction to inspect it. They go to an inspector or whoever it is rather than go to her. She's done. MR. LOPATKA: I can do that. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anyone else have any questions for Dave? Thanks, Dave. Chief Dubernas, anything for the agenda? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Not sure. I need to have a personnel meeting, find out where you stand. I got the results from the tests back. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: If council was ready to hire when would you be ready for us to hire? 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHIEF DUBERNAS: That's up to you guys. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: But when would you be ready? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Two weeks. It depends on how many you're hiring. MR. NOTARI: You have four candidates. Right? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Hiring all four? MR. NOTARI: Did they all past the test? CHIEF DUBERNAS: They all passed the interviews. We have to do packground checks. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: When do you want to have a personnel meeting? CHIEF DUBERNAS: You tell me. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'11 have a personnel meeting as soon as everyone's ready. I can have one tonight, after the meeting, if you want. MR. HOOVER: I'm free. MR. NOTARI: I want to start the process to hire, as long as we have four or five candidates, as soon as possible. 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So tonight I don't think Councilman Lettieri's coming. MR. FEBBO: Looking to hire four? Are we budgeted for four? ATTY. RINALDI: Are you increasing the size of the department plus four? MR. NOTARI: What do we have currently? MS. BARTOLETTI: Six plus the chief. MR. NOTARI: We don't have any vacancies? CHIEF DUBERNAS: We didn't lose any. MR. NOTARI: Only looking to hire because the school is looking for two? That's the understanding we had a few months ago. Right? We thought we were losing two in the summer. MR. HOOVER: But the chief is still in a pickle with shift here. The two people for the school, fine. That has to be done. ATTY. RINALDI: So we're creating two new positions? MR. HOOVER: He's still looking for shifts to be filled. CHIEF DUBERNAS: So if you hired 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 four I would lose one at the school, I have three more : MR. NOTARI: They want two at the school. MR. BUTLER: I thought they were paying for one, we were paying - MR. NOTARI: The school is here. MR. ROBERT NOTARI: We're going to split the cost. We're paying for during the school year, you're paying for the : however you want to look at it. When it's not the school year. ATTY. RINALDI: It's cheaper for you guys to hire. It's going to cost a lot of money paying us half. MR. ROBERT NOTARI: Part of that discussion is the cost effectiveness does not outweigh the benefit of what we have if there are police officers. That was part of the discussion in that committee meeting couple months ago. The school can save money by just going through the county and hiring two random, qualified security people, but it doesn't give us the level of what we want with the police department, and 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 we'11 talk about that. ATTY. RINALDI: You're looking at, like, $60,000, $70,000, $80,000. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I think we told them around a hundred and they said okay. ATTY. RINALDI: I know it's a high number. MR. ROBERT NOTARI: Part of the -- once you decide what you're doing we're going to have to sit down and figure out : I don't think we're going to say no with the finances. Again, it's going to be how you handle your contract. If your contract is five years long we're locked in for five years. Then when the contract comes up, if you decide you're going to start paying police officers $300,000 a year, then it's another discussion with the school on how we're going to pay for the next : whatever your contract is we're going to lock into. MR. HOOVER: Bill, in answer to your question :- ATTY. RINALDI: Chief, you're just going to rotate the schedule. You're going 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to have three guys on and two patrolling and one guy's going to do the school, then the next day somebody else. You're doing a specific hey, you're always at the school position. Correct? CHIEF DUBERNAS: It's what they want. If somebody at the school : ATTY. RINALDI: Is this then like a school officer or is this still a cop for us? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Well, our understanding was they want it for 180 days at the school. There's another 185 days he's on my schedule to fill shifts. Throughout the summer and all that wherever we need him he can fill shifts for us. That's what : ATTY. RINALDI: It doesn't have to be the same person. Is that what you want? CHIEF DUBERNAS: That's what they came to. I don't know how they want to do it. You have to have somebody there for eight hours. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'd like to hear what the school has to say tonight and 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 what they're going to specifically ask for. IV would like to see what they want first and then go off of what they're request is. MR. ROBERT NOTARI: I think we're looking for two specific people who are obviously school certified, whatever the certificate is, for 180 days. Now, if that changes the following school year we'd still like two people : whoever the person is, two people for that 180 days. Not to be a rotating whoever's available at the time. Even if four or five officers in the department have that resource officer coverage. Now, it helps us if there's a third or fourth : if one of these guys gets sick, one goes on vacation, something happens : where we still have coverage. That's why, too, there's redundancies. If both of them are down for whatever reason, then we have to come back and have a discussion. But we're looking for two specific people to be in the building 180 days a year. Get to know the kids, get to know the situation. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Same two 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 people every day. MR. ROBERT NOTARI: Yes. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I would like that as well if everyone else does. MR. BRIAN RINALDI: Well, 180 days is not 180 days in a row. You're going to have Mondays off. This month, November 11th we're not in session. That's a Friday. We're closed half a day Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Monday for Thanksgiving. So those are three. We can give you a calendar sO you can figure out when you're going to use them because you still only have them, I assume, 40 hours a week. Is that what your shifts call for, 40 hours? ATTY. RINALDI: So our holidays are our holidays, sO you're going to have to find somebody else to do it. MR. BRIAN RINALDI: There's going to bes some planning that takes place. It's not just 180 out of 365 days. MS. KEATING: Our school calendar is usually through -- the thing is you can't : sO everyone is clear, to be in a school you must have a national certification. So you 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 can't be in there without that certification, I know a couple officers have it already, Chief. ATTY. RINALDI: We only have one class of police officer, patrol. We don't have any desk jobs, we don't have anything else. So I want to figure out how the borough's going to do this without creating a new class of officer because that entails a - whole separate contract negotiation. That's why I asked him if he's going to schedule people. MR. BRIAN RINALDI: I don't know how you're going to do it without actually adding that class to your contract. ATTY. RINALDI: Well, we can make the class requirement. That's not a problem. I'm not worried about that part. It's like training for K-9. Same thing. MR. NOTARI: We have to figure that out on our end. MR. BUTLER: What are the hours? Eight to three? MS. KEATING: The two buildings are different. The high school technically the 14 kids start with the CTC buses early, 7:30 in the morning, and they dismiss at 3:00. The elementary school is early, 8:25 until 3:30. There two different time schedules. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. BRIAN RINALDI: So 7:30 to 3:30 covers it. MR. BUTLER: I'm thinking you can use part-time people instead of full time. ATTY. RINALDI: We have our shifts. If we're going to create : MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: That's why we have to create new shifts, new department new job title because they're not going to follow our hours because we don't have a shift from 7:30 right to 3:30. We have to create one. MR. FEBBO: A lot of work. MS. KEATING: In two other places that I worked there were MOUS that existed for those shifts while school was in section, and then when school wasn't in session rotation went back. CHIEF DUBERNAS: That's what a majority of the people do. So if they're tied up at the school and, say, November 15 11th they're off, the school doesn't have that person in the school they'd be assigned to a contractual shit of ours. Maybe it would be a day shift, a 2:00 to 10:00 shift 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 or a midnight shift. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Right. That's why you would have a schedule ahead of time sSO you would know. So, Doc Notari, obviously you're speak now for when you are going to : is there anything else but two police officers, and you're paying for one MR. ROBERT NOTARI: If it means anything and if you have any questions as council : and I don't know if the chief or the fire chief gave you a report. From my end to being a parent and a citizen I thought -- we had that last Monday. I thought everything went well. But it's a learning experience when you start hearing the reports of what was missed, what was this, what was that. Having two full time police officers in a building changes that a little bit because of the communication quickly with understanding what police 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 understandings are of what happens, and maybe there isn't so much confusion that the public thought happened while everything was under control at the building. The public thought this, the public thought that. In fact, Doctor Keating had a staff meeting to work things out, apparently. Overwhelming is we would like police in the building, and it's something that's been going on now at least for four and a half years. It's a discussion that needs to come to fruition. I'm unfortunately the one that will be saying is it doesn't matter what the cost is at this point because of the cost on the other end is much more costly than what we're going to pay for the safety of our kids. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Agreed. So, then, Bill, our next move is create : ATTY. RINALDI: Talk to you guys on MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So our next how you want to do this. move would be to create two school positions, two new shifts : ATTY. RINALDI: Maybe, but it 17 depends on how the chief wants to handle it. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. FEBBO: The schedule has to mesh with theirs. ATTY. RINALDI: They're under our control, sO it's more of a contract issue to see if we're going to have to open the contract and create a position or whether we're going to keep it within the contract and I'm just going to assign you over here today for these hours. MR. RUSSEL RINALDI: But if it's going to be two specific people day in and day out, the same people every day at the school, we would have to create two new positions. ATTY. RINALDI: Then it could be a seniority issue, which people with seniority are going to want those jobs. MR. NOTARI: And that's fine, but they're going to have to meet the requirements also. ATTY. RINALDI: Right. There's training. I'm sure they'11 get the training if they get the job. MR. NOTARI: When do those trainings 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 happen? CHIEF DUBERNAS: I would have to look. I know the last time there was : the closest one was sometime in December, but they usually have them during the summer months when schools are out because you need a S school setting for it. MR. NOTARI: I'm only asking questions because my thought is to get them into school for January. That's my thought, to try to figure this out in the next eight weeks, because we're starting a new budget. So this would be the time to put the money into the budget for either the whole year or half a year. But for me, I think it's important that we get this done. MR. HOOVER: Chief, how many officers do we have now that have the training that would be available to work at the school? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Two. MR. HOOVER: So right now we have two officers that can go to the school Monday if we had to. MR. NOTARI: No, because we'd be 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 shorthanded. MR. HOOVER: What I'm getting at is if we can't get the certification for the two, three or four we're going to hire they can just become regular cops until we get certifications besides the two we have up there. MR. NOTARI: Like Bill said, that comes to seniority. To me, why not send them all to be trained in the school. CHIEF DUBERNAS: That's what I was looking at last time. ATTY. RINALDI: You're going to have to because there's sO many vacations and holidays. You're not going to have the same two people. MR. NOTARI: That would be another advantage of having everybody trained. When somebody does get sick or is on vacation we send that other person there and now they get to meet the kids and staff. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Doc, there could always be some type of -- if we worked it out in the future, and we talked about it a few years ago. We can always have maybe a 20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 satellite office there. MR. ROBERT NOTARI: One of the conversations if you guys decide to become a partnership is to have somebody come over the school while we're in construction and be, like, okay, this is a nice spot here, this is a nice spot here, I want to add stuff here, there. Locations of where the cameras need to be. So there are things while we are in construction that could probably help to go back through : the chief's been there plenty of times. Walk through and hey, this is a problem area. To reinstitute that now it would be, like, yeah, before you start walling things off let's make sure we have a spot here for it. CHIEF DUBERNAS: Next month in Archbald. MR. NOTARI: Can we sign up our current officers that do not have it? CHIEF DUBERNAS: Yes. I'11 send out an e-mail tomorrow. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We currently have six and two currently have it. So we have four we need to send? 21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. BARTOLETTI: No, one we have is part-time. MR. NOTARI: So five full time officers need to be certified. Can we require that? ATTY. RINALDI: Yeah. MR. NOTARI: In case somebody says no. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Five full time. MR. NOTARI: Any other questions? We're moving in the right direction. for them. Just a matter of time. MR. ROBERT NOTARI: This is the time MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We're going to move on our end as fast as we can as far as the committee meetings, meeting with the chief, Marylynn and Bill to discuss the finances and if we have to create a new position. I mean, I think everyone sitting at this table would like to move on it as fast as possible. MR. ROBERT NOTARI: I guess the next thing is how the payment works. I don't know. It's a billing thing or bulk thing. 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. BRIAN RINALDI: We'1l work it out. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'm concerned about that last, but I understand what you're saying. Anything else? MR. ROBERT NOTARI: No. MR. BRIAN RINALDI: Thank you very much. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: You're welcome. Chief Dubernas, anything else for the agenda? CHIEF DUBERNAS: That's it. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Attorney Rinaldi, anything for the agenda? ATTY. RINALDI: Right now just a resolution for the Potter agreement. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have any questions for the solicitor? Thanks, Bill. Borough manager, Marylynn? MS. BARTOLETTI: I may have a possible change to the school agreement. We're going to discuss it. But I don't want to leave it out in case we have to do it for the next meeting. 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And not for the agenda but just for general, Veteran's Day celebration on November 11th is going to be here at the borough building, outside. Then there's going to be a Veteran's Day breakfast on Sunday, November 13th, from 9:00 to 11:00 at Arcaro & Genell's. That's all I have. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anybody have any questions for the borough manager? Thanks, Marylynn. Chief, anyone else from the public? CHIEF DUBERNAS: No. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: We'17 go down the table, see if any council members have anything for the agenda or for the work session. Councilman Febbo? MR. FEBBO: I'm good. MR. NOTARI: I have nothing. MR. BUTLER: One other thing I had. Somebody asked me again about that shed over on Kohler Avenue. Where does it stand? MR. HART: The application's filed. It's just got to go to a meeting for a variance in front of the zoning board. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: He applied for 24 a variance? 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. HART: Yes. MR. NOTARI: Thursday? MR. HART: It was supposed to be Thursday, but right now I just spoke with Joe Campolieto. I might have to reschedule it. I'17 know first thing in the morning. But it will be very soon. It won't be any further than November 10th. The board's going to make a decision. The zoning board will basically see what's going on, see the scenario and go from there. If they approve the variance, then I guess you guys have a right to appeal. MR. NOTARI: Councilman Butler, whoever is complaining to you, whether it's a neighbor or somebody in the neighborhood, they should come to that zoning hearing and voice their displeasure with where the shed is being placed. ATTY. RINALDI: So he got a notice of violation of the zoning ordinance and now he's appealing it? Or is it he didn't get a notice and he's just asking for a variance? MR. HART: He's asking for a 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 variance. MR. HOOVER: How many neighbors showed up for the zoning board meeting? MR. HART: I C didn't have one yet. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: What's the date? MR. HART: The date's up in the air right now. I'11 know first thing in the morning on availability. That's my only issue right now. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Councilman Butler, anything else? MR. BUTLER: No. MR. HOOVER: Nothing. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I have no items, but I see Mr. Thomas came in and signed the sheet. Chris, would you like to address us? MR. THOMAS: Yes. So I'm just here about my garden tools. It gets beat around the bush. This is a three year old thing. Ididn't have garbage that day. I put my tools on top of an upside down red container. The tools were taken as I drove my sister to school and came back. My 26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 neighbor said the only ones that were in the yard were the garbage men. Officer Kimbal came along, stopped the garbage truck, questioned the two guys in the truck. They said they took the stuff and put it in the packer. h haven't heard anything from the company or from here. It's three years now. So I heard it came up last month, sO I decided to show up myself. But why am I responsible for my own property in my yard taken by your contracted company? Why am I responsible? I didn't do anything wrong. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: First I'm hearing this. MS. BARTOLETTI: This happened a couple years ago, and when Chris brought it to our attention we sent it to Mascaro. We discussed it with Bill and Bill said to address it to Mascaro. Then Mascaro -- I thought it was answered to you, Chris, but they said that they will not - they do not accept responsibility, that they would make a donation for the amount of tools to something. They will not pay someone back. 27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 According to what their driver said they were left near the garbage and they took them. They didn't have stickers on them but they took them and threw them in the truck. That's what we got from Sam Augustine, the representative from Mascaro. This is going on for a couple years. MR. THOMAS: I ( didn't have garbage that day. There was not a bag of trash in front of my house. Nothing. It was red recycling. There was paper. No garbage bags. So there's no reason to even be on my lot. So them saying there was garbage, there was none, and Officer Kimball has the report. The chief was on. MS. BARTOLETTI: They said that they would not do anything. Bill said it's between Mascaro and Chris, sO we kind of backed out of it. Mascaro said that they were going to handle it. MR. BUTLER: Why would they give a donation instead of just giving him the money for the tools? MS. BARTOLETTI: Because they won't acknowledge anything. They bring up these 28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 stories that they had a person who put down a lunch back and ran in the house and came back and the lunch bag was gone, the bag happened to have money in it. They had a lot of things happen, sO they do not take responsibility for anything that's left in the area that they consider garbage pickup. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Chris, what was the value of the tools? MR. THOMAS: Over $200, I think, Russ. I'm looking for it on my phone. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: What's the number, though, you would want? MR. THOMAS: I'd have to go and price it out. That price is over three years ago. I didn't go and look at it anymore. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: What's the number that would rectify it? MR. THOMAS: Just to replace what was taken. There was a cord, a rake and hedge clippers. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: So the tools you want, not a dollar figure? MR. THOMAS: The dollar figure to 29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 replace the tools. what I'm asking. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Well, that's MR. THOMAS: I don't know. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'11 tell you what, if you get me a dollar figure I'11 replace them myself. I'11 give you it out of my own pocket. Bill, I can do that. Correct? ATTY. RINALDI: He can go to the magistrate and file a complaint against Mascaro. MR. THOMAS: Here it is. At the time : this was October 30, 2019. Hedge clipper, $129. Cord, $40.97. Rake, $9.98. And those were pictures Mascaro asked for that we sent down to them about what was done. MR. HOOVER: About $180? MR. THOMAS: That was in 2019. Let's go Brandon. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Do you want to MR. THOMAS: I'11 go find out what get me the price and I'11 write you a check? it is. 30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. - RUSSELL RINALDI: That's what we'11 do. You get me the price, I'11 write you a check. MR. THOMAS: I would rather do it this way: Cut Masacaro a check : if it's $29,000 or $30,000 write them a check for $29,800. ATTY. RINALDI: Can't do that. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: I'17 give you a ( check personally. Sound good? You give me a total and I'11 do it. Bill, legally able to do that? I'm donating tools. ATTY. RINALDI: You can pay him for whatever you want. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else? MR. THOMAS: That was it. MR. ROBERT NOTARI: Why don't you have Mascaro donate that to the little league and you give him the money. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: As long as Mr. Thomas is reimbursed what he lost that's going to satisfy me. MR. THOMAS: I'm the secretary of the little league. We'11 take Mascaro's money. 31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: Anything else? Anyone else from the audience before we adjourn? At this time the chair would entertain a motion to adjourn. MR. NOTARI: I'11 make that motion. MR. RUSSELL RINALDI: By Councilman Notari. A11 in favor? (Unanimous. Meeting adjourned.) 32 1 2 3 4 5 CERTIFICATE Ih hereby certify that I attended the foregoing 6 proceeding, took stenographic notes of the same, that 7 the foregoing, consisting of 31 pages, is a true and 8 correct copy, done to the best of my ability, of same 9 and the whole thereof. 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Mark Wozniak Official Court Reporter 1 $ $1291-29:15 $18011-29:19 $20010-28:10 $29,0001-30:6 $29,8000-30:7 $30,0001-30:6 $300,00019-9:18 $40.9710-29:15 $60,00011-9:3 $70,00010-9:3 $80,0001-9:3 $9.9819-29:15 1 12)-1:9,2:23 10:0011-15:4 10th/1-24:9 11:0011-23:6 23:3 13th/-23:6 1511-3:1 18071-10:12, 11:7, 12:6,1 12:21 18511-10:13 2 20199-29:14,29:20 airm-25:7 20229-1:9,2:23, 3:1 2:0011-15:4 3 3011-29:14 3111-32:7 31411-1:12 365/1-12:21 3:00/1-14:2 14:15 4 7 7:0011-1:10 14:15 8 8:251)- 14:3 9 9:0011-23:6 A abilityny-32:8 ablen-30:12 accept/-26:23 accordingio-27:1 acknowledger)- 27:25 add/1-20:7 addingi-13:15 address/3)-3 3:6, 25:18, 26:20 adjournip-31:3, 31:5 13:4, 13:16, 14:9, budgetedio-7:4 17:16, 17:22, 19:13, 15:23, 16:4, 16:9, 21:6, 22:15,24:21, audience [2)- -3:6, 31:2 18:19 Avenuer-23:21 Avvisatol)- 2:17 B backed/1)- 27:19 background-613 bagi-27:9,28:3 citizen!- 15:17 13:15, 13:17 clearl- 12:24 closed/1- 12:9 closest/1- 18:4 code1y-3:16 comingis-3:11, 3:17,7:2 21:17 15:24 company-26:8, 26:12 complainingt- complaint-29:11 concerned-223 consistingn-3 32:7 20:10 container/- 25:24 contractg-9:14, 9:16, 9:21,1 13:10, 13:15, 17:5, 17:7, 17:8 contracted/- 26:12 contractual- 15:3 control [2)- 16:4, 17:5 conversationsi- 20:3 copi1- 10:9 cops1-1 19:5 copyl)-3 32:8 cord/1- 28:21 Cordi- 29:15 correct/3)- 10:5, 29:9, 32:8 cost [61- - 5:3,8 8:9, 8:14,8 8:17, 16:14, council [41- 3:3, 5:23, 1:5, 1:18 23:16,24:15, 25:11 2:11,2:13,2:14, 2:17,2.19,72,31.7 county13)- 4:20, 16:20, 16:25,17:4, buildingis-11.23, class14-13:5, 13:9, 29:10, 30:8, 30:13 BUILDINGI- 1:11 clippern-29:15 23:4 bulkI-21:25 2:10, 8:5, 13:22, 27:21 25:12 C calendar12)- 12:11, 24:16 12:22 cameras!il- 20:9 6:25 celebration!l- 23:2 5:4,5:11,20:5, certificatel- 11:7 certificationg- 12:25, 13:2, 19:3 certificationsin- 19:6 certified-11:6, 21:4 certifylo-32:5 chair-31:4 15:23 cheapery-8:13 checkI5)-29:23, 30:3,30:5,30:6, 30:10 checks10-6:14 chiefi-3:3,7:9, 7:18, 9:24, 15:15, 15:16, 17:1, 18:17, 21:18, 22:10, 27:15 16:15 Chief(3]- -5:17, 13:3, costlyn- 16:16 23:11 CHIEF [19]- 5:19,6 6:1, 15:15, 23:14 6:5, 6:9, 6:12, 6:17, COUNCILI3)- 1:1, 7:12, 7:25, 10:6, 10:11, 10:20, 14:23, councilmanis)- 18:2, 18:21, 19:11, 20:17, 20:21, 22:12, Councilman [8)- 2:9, 23:12 chiefsi-20:12 Chris18)-3:16, 3:22, Councilwomann- 25:17,26:17,2 26:21, 2:16 27:18, 28:8 buildings [0- 13:24 clippersIy- 28:22 Augustinet)-27:5 busesI11- 14:1 availableI2)- 11:11, BUTLERI8)- 1:22, absent-2:14, 2:17 availabilityr)- 25:9 bushl-25:21 14:7, 23:19,25:13, committee12)- 8:20, Butler/3)- 2:9,24:15, communicationtl- adjourned-31:9 bags/-27:12 advantagen- 19:18 BARTOLETTInA- 11thg-12.7,15:1, agenda/12)-2:25, 1:23,29,2.11,21, Campolietom-246 confusionf- 16:2 3:11,320,3:24,41, 2:16, 2:19, 4:9, 4:20, candidates-6:8, consider/-28:7 22:11,22:14, 23:1, 26:16,2 27:16, 27:24 case-21.7,2224 constructiong)-53, 4:10, 4:11,5:18, 23:15 19:25,26:17,28:16 20:3 agreedn-1 16:18 agreementp-2216, best/1-32:8 22:22 ahead/1- 15:7 Allegiancerg-2.4, bidp-4:18,4:21, 2:5 amounti-26:24 ANDREW/-1:22 answerl-9:22 answeredt)-26:21 29:8, 30:11 appeal- 24:14 appealingr- 24:23 bit/-15:24 application'si- 23:22 applied!l- 23:25 approvedl-4:17 Arcarolil- -23:7 Archbaldn- 20:18 arean-20:13,28.7 borough! 13)-3 3:4, assign/-17:9 assigned,-15:2 assumetty- 12:14 attended/1- 32:5 attorneyt-22.13 ATTY2A-7:5,7:21, bringn- 27:25 8:13,9:2,9:7,9:24, brought/1l-: 26:17 10:8,10:18,1 12:16, budget[2)- 18:12, 7:9,21:1,22:21, beat/- -25:20 become [2)- 19:5, benefit/0-8:18 betweent- 27:18 bip-5:9 bi-weeklym-5:9 4:25 Bill6)-16:19, 19:8, changer-22:22 21:18, 22:19,26:19 changes-11:8, bill4-9:22,27:17, billing! 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