MINUTES August 13,2024  PAGE COUNTY: PLANNING COMMISSION  Members Present  Catherine Grech, Secretary, District 1 Jared Burner, Chairman, District3 3 William Turner, Vice Chairman, District 5  Chris Adams, District 2 Susan. Kile, District 4 Tracy Clatterbuck  StaffPresent Josh Hahn Call to Order  Chairman Burner called the August 13, 2024 Page County Planning Commission Regular Meeting to orderi in the Board of Supervisors (BOS) Room located at the Page County Government Center, 103 S Court Street, Luray, Virginia at 7:00 p.m. The call to order was followed by The Pledge of Allegiance and a Moment of Silence. Chairman Burner reminded all commissioners and speakers to please turn on and/or speak into the microphones. Mr. Hahn conducted an attendance roll call. [Susan Kile was not present at roll call, but arrived as indicated int the minutes, below.] Ms. Grech made a motion to adopt the agenda as presented. Mr. Turner seconded the motion. Chairman Burner asked all those in favor to signify by saying "aye," and members present all indicated "aye." Chairman Burner stated the agenda was adopted as presented.  Adoption of Agenda  Public Hearings  A. Lucas Homes, LLC: Rezoning  Mr. Hahn read portions from the staff memo dated July 25, 2024, including the background Chairman Burner opened the public hearing at 7:07 p.m. He reminded the speakers that there was a three-minute time limit that will be enforced. He reminded them to make sure the  agency comments, and the Page County Comprehensive Plan review.  microphone was turned on; as indicated by the green light. 1. Audra Beers: She indicated that she had no questions at this time.  2. David Good: He has lived on this road for over 30 years. It's a dangerous, and it's a hazardous road. VDOT has done a study on this road, and it's approximately 900 cars a day; he thinks they had 870. That's when school was not ins session, on July 2. That'sa lot of vehicles for a narrow road. There have been lots of accidents on this road. He referred to the reports for the last three or four years in the packet for the Commission. [Mr. Hahn showed this on the monitor.] He referenced pictures oft the road also included int the packet [Mr. Hahn showed these on the monitor.] It's a dangerous road. He described telephone poles and fences and mailboxes being hit. He has replaced his mailbox three times - they haven'te even been reported. They said this is kind ofi in the growth area of Page County. But growth for what? These houses are not going to be for locals. People around here are not going to be able to afford these houses. They're going to be for other people coming into our county, and who knows what they're going to do with these houses, It could be short-term rentals, guest houses. They said five family! homes, but oncet they get them, they can do what they want with them, as if we don'talready have enough short term rentals in    Planning Commission Minutes- August 13, 2024  the county, as it is. Especially on ai road like this with someone not very familiar with this county. It is possible that they are saying five homes are being built, but it could be ten or twelve. Once he gets the land, that'sit. He doesn'tneed but a halfa an acre to build on. And the' Town isn't going to deny him water. The Town is saying they'l! supply him for five. If he builds ten, you bet the Town is going to supply ten. He doesn't have a problem with a house or two being built there, but under agriculture codes, one and three-quarters of an acre, split every five years. This is going to happen too quick for this location. He referenced cod 125-10-8-1. This is the character of this county: agriculture land. It's predominant. The goal is to maintain low-density in this area. Hej just can'tsee the growth area here. Maybe we do need affordable housing around here. [The timer indicated three minutes had expired, and Chairman Burnerir informed him. He requested extended time, and Chairman Burner stated it was three minutes for each person.] He stated it was just a dangerous situation, and that three minutes wasn't enough time. [Note: Ms. Kile arrived 3. Nancy Sottosanti: Shel has 20 acres across thei road from this. Years ago when they changed the rules, she divided 18 ofher acres into three acre pieces. That's the most that she wants to see people build in that area. It still keeps iti rural. It'ss still agriculture. She can'tsee him building four houses on eight acres. It becomes like Luray. She doesn't want her 20 acres tol become part ofLuray and pay double tax. The road is dangerous. People come speeding through at 55 miles per hour, and some maybe slow down to 45 right in front of her driveway. It is not a good road. She also hopes he is honest with his buyers about the railroad. She lives right across from the railroad. Ity wakes you upi int the middle ofthe night. She hopes he puts sound-profvindows and walls on that side ofthe houses, because they will be much closer to the railroads. She stated, good luck to him. She asked the  during this time.]  Commission to keep it out ofagriculture. 4. Charles T. Leverich: He declined to speak.  Chairman Burner closed the public hearing a 7:14 p.m. He asked for discussion from the Commission members. Ms. Grech thanked the public for their comments. She stated that we're about to look at the Comprehensive Plan, and she thinks there are some misconceptions. One oft them is the Community Service Areas, also call the growth tiers. Mr. Hahn brought this up on the monitors. One of the problems in Page County is that we're mostly zoned Ag, and we should not have scattered development around the County. We shouldn't have a little subdivision here and a subdivision there. The recommendation from the Berkley Group, which are professional planners, and from Mr. Hahn who has studied planning, ist that growth should occur around towns. That'st the kind of growth we're talking about. That's where you want to have a more intensive use, such as agriculture to residential or agriculture to commercial. It should take place around town. It seems to her in that particular aspect, this is what the Comprehensive Plan dictates. What it would not dictate is for something to be rezoned, such as something like this, right in the middle of agriculture land in the county not adjacent to the town. She thinks there is a misunderstanding of what the growth tier are. We've talked about them. There just areas around the towns where the towns would be allowed to grow. She just wanted to clarify that point for whoever doesn'tu understand that. Ms. Grech asked Mr. Hahn if Mr. Turner stated he went by there today and looked at it. He wouldn'tconsider that prime ag Chairman Burner askedi ifthere was any other discussion. Hearing none, he asked fora a motion to proceed. Mr. Turner made a motion to recommend approval to the Board of Supervisors.  this was correct, and Mr. Hahn agreed.  land. He thinks it would be a good place for houses.  Page 2of11    Planning Commission Minutes- August 13, 2024  Ms. Grech seconded the motion. Chairman Burner asked Mr. Hahn to conduct a roll call vote.  The motion passed unanimously (5-0).  B. Subdivision ofLand Ordinance Amendments: VDOT Entrances  Mr. Hahn referenced the proposed amendments in the packet. Basically what we are doing is changing language within the Subdivision ofLand Ordinance, specifically under the definition for "SUBDIVIDE," to require VDOT entrance approval before the Clerk of the Commission can stamp approval for special typesofdivisions, namely boundary line adjustment, non-family divisions, family divisions, and 25-acre divisions. [Note: boundary line adjustments are not  actually being changed.]  Chairman Burner opened the public hearing at 7:18 p.m.  1. Audra Beers: [Note: Audra Beers' comments seem to be in reference to the preceding agenda item related to Lucas Homes, LLC's rezoning application.] Her biggest concern about all oft this - her address is 143 Lakewood, on what used to be a dancing cow farm - the big white cape cod. It is on the corner of3 340 and Lakewood. She sees on the map that this isa acrosst the road: from them. The only concern that theyl have is, yes the traffic because they do have animals on their farm - what happens ifthis goes through?1 Is it going to affect them and their agriculture? They don't want to have to face one day them being told that they can'thave theiranimals: anymore. They are right on that corner. Ifthis is the beginning of something where they aren'ts going to be able to have their animals, and they are going tol bei rezoned residential all the way down tot the corner, then her and her husband willl have a problem with it. They currently have sheep and pigs and chicken on that property. She 2. David Good: [Note: David Good's comments seem to be in reference to the preceding agenda item related to Lucas Homes, LLC's rezoning ppication.egarding the growth zone around the town. He asked if other towns have this. Mr. Hahn indicated nonverbally that they do. He asked if the growth zone worth the safety of the people of Page County. Hel has lived there for: 30 years. That's why hel brought it up - he has seen al lot ofaccidents. His family lives on this road. And we're going to build morel houses? They say five or six houses, but who knows what he might build? And what are they going to turn into? They may be short-term rentals. They aren't going to be purchased by locals. Not our community. He could see affordable houses, but these are not going to be affordable houses. The geological and environmental price we're going to payf for this piece ofl land - it has oak trees like what is outside. 150-year oaks that they are goingt to tear down to build af fewl houses on.' Tol him, this county is built on agriculture. People come to see our country. They don't come to see these subdivisions built. Houses all over the place. That's why the city people come upt to our county. He doesn'tunderstand how [the Commission] can pass something like this on all ofthese people in the County, on agriculture. Hel has no problem with] him building houses. But keepi it agriculture. Thisi is Page County-itis is country. There isn'ta city around here. People come: from the city to see our country. The only thing we're doing is building up on our agriculture land. He referenced safety concerns. Each one of thesel houses is going tol have a separate entrance. When school! lets in, you're going tol have 1,000 vehicles a day within al half-mile. He's lives there, and he's almost gotten hit many a day. It's dangerous. Hei referenced fire hydrants and culverts. People who livel below this subdivision have a water problem on that hill. All this water is going to be going down to them. Forest Hills and Hudson have one entrance going in. They don'thave an entrance to each house. These will have one entrance for each house to the road. Somebody is going  thanked the Commission.  Page 3of11    Planning Commission Minutes- August 13, 2024  to get hurt, especially when school session isi in when you'ret talking about 1,000 cars each day. Is it worth that? It's up to the Commission ifthey can live with that. Chairman Burner noted before the next speaker that this public hearing was for VDOT entrances, not the earlier rezoning matter. This is a completely separate item from what we  already discussed, voted on, and passed on to the Board of Supervisors.  3. Nancy Sottosanti: She declined to speak. 4. CharlesT.Leverich He declined to speak.  Chairman Burner closed the public hearing at 7:24 p.m. He asked ifthere was any discussion. Ms. Grech stated that we had discussed this many times. It looks like it is a much-needed addition to our code. There was no further discussion. Ms. Grech made a motion to approve these amendments to the Page County Subdivision Ordinance. Ms. Kile seconded the motion. Chairman Burner asked Mr. Hahn to conduct a roll call vote. The motion passed unanimously  (5-0).  Citizen Comments on Agenda Items  1. Patricia Long: She stated she speaks with an accent, and she hopes everyone understand her. She feels like she is at home with family. She has been a citizen for 45 years, and she lives across from Brookside Restaurant, almost across. That is the issue that really, really worries her. She is speaking as a citizen, and she is part oft the tourism industry. They started building cabins way back, and they have a couple of cabins on that hill, Pumpkin Hill. They notice and they love the high traffic area that comes from the Park, when they see all the visitors enjoy their home. She doesn't want a drug addiction center on the highway. That is the image ofour community, and like we have heard here, we want to preserve the agricultural sentiment oft the people of Page County, and the tourism that is basically becoming the bread and butter for the people who live here. Let's not change it. Drug addiction centers are good, inj principle. But she thinks that they need to be closer to a place where they can have better services, like a hospital. She talked to a person who was recently recovered from drug addictions. She has family members who have suffered addiction. She has friends. So, itis wonderful that there are going to be places that help them. But they told her, they wouldn't want to be right there on the highway, seeing happy people driving in: front of them, with canoes, tents, RVs, to go andl have fun times and enjoy life while they are depressed trying to get a grip on life. It is not a good location. Also, the Brookside Restaurant- = shel knows Mr. and Mrs. Wakeman used to own this before C. C. Castle. We love C. C. We love the fact that she is fed up with it, wants to retire, and move on. But that property was not marketed internally for the local citizens to have an opportunity to invest and make an awesome, footofthe-mountain restaurant, little shops. That would be al booming business for anyl local people who want to invest locally, instead of having people from outside investing in our community. Let's keep the money here, for the citizens, with the citizens. Give them the opportunity to hear that this property is for sale. Give them great ideas. People, when they are on vacation, give them a place to shop. There are no places tos shop, here. Those little cabins would make fantastic little boutiques. Let's keep the concept ofthe restaurant at the foot of the mountain, where people go home with the happy memory of the fantastic breakfast and meals for locals after church. She would love to see the same business to continue, but open the doors to locals to be able to invest and grown, like outsiders 2. KenJ Johnson: He would also like to make an observation on the public comments made by several representatives oft the short-term rental (STR) industry at the last meeting. He doesn't hold any particular views for or against STR's. His concern is for achieving the Comprehensive  do.  Page 4 of11    Planning Commission Minutes- August 13, 2024  Plan' 's objectives of managed growth, a steady rural character, and harmonious communities. STR's are, to him, just one ofthei issues to be considered. It seemed to him in listening to that conversation that thei members ofthes short-termi rental industry were almost surprised that some conditions were being considered in Page County. There is nothing unique here. As described in: an article he sent to Commission electronically, governments all over the world, our Nation and State are moving toi restore al balancel between the benefits sofshort-term rental development and its deleterious effects on some community standards. The Commission already has an outline from Ms. Anderson ofhow our neighboring counties have already acted. I see nothing that would make Page County immune from such global, national, and regional pressures. In fact, there mayb be considerable risk to this county should we choose to be the' 'Wild West' while communities around us tailor constraints on the short-term rental industry to their community needs. We can assume that these communities are as eager for tax revenue and tourist dollars as is Page County. Yet they see aspects ofthe short-term rental evolution which require careful government action to preserve community values. As discussed in the article he sent the Commission, some communities have been far more aggressive than anything that has been considered here. Our community values are well described in the Comprehensive Plan. He urged the Planning Commission to continue its broad consideration of conditions on the short- term rental industry, which will balance their interests with those of other landowners, our 4. Nancy Sottosanti: She declined to speak. She noted that she was not able to hear what others  neighbors and our communities. He thanked the Commission.  3. Audra Beers: She declined to speak. 5. David Good: He declined to speak. 6. Charles Leverich: He declined to speak. A. Adoption of Minutes- July 23, 2024  are: saying.  New Business  Chairman Burner allowed some time for any necessary changes to bei noted. There were no changes. Ms. Grech made a motion to the minutes as presented. Mr. Turner seconded the motion. Chairman Burner asked all those in favor to signify by saying "aye,"andr members present alli indicated "aye."  Chairman Burner stated the minutes were approved as presented. A. Brookside Restaurant and Gift Shop, Inc.- Special Use Permit  Unfinished Business  Ms. Clatterbuck stated that when this was last discussed, there were a couple of conditions that the Commission wanted staff to get legal advice on. She referenced Condition 4, there was language that referenced Jim Davis' email. Michael Helm, the County Attorney, did agree that this should be changed a bit. Ms. Clatterbuck added that she noticed that int the last sentence, "...Ther maximum number ofresidents shall be forty-one (41)at any given time, unless al lower number is mandated by the Health Department." She noted that in the engineering report prepared by Racey, they actually specify the number of residents, the number of staff, professional counselors, and visitors. She asked ift there was a desire to list these others in that condition. Ms. Grech answered, absolutely. If the Health Department saw fit to make that comment, we need to follow. These are people who will be present most oft the day. There was considerable discussion, and they reviewed the document on the screen. Mr. Janney, representing the applicant, came forward. Mr. Hahn noted that this was from the Racey report. Ms. Clatterbuck read Condition 8: "The Zoning Administrator or its designated representative may visit the site at any time upon reasonable: notice to ensure compliance with the special use  Page 5of11    Planning Commission Minutes- August1 13, 2024  permit."S She stated that with no disrespect to the applicant, as Zoning Administrator 1, she is nevera a fanj providing any notice to any applicant. She would personally not show up at 3a a.m. to the facility. However, if we were to put that we are going to provide some sort ofnotice for one applicant, then other applicants will expect the same. They need to bei in compliance at all times. Her personal opinion would be that she would show up at any time during normal business hours. Mr. Janney noted that he was fine with that. Ms. Grech stated shei is not sure if she is fine with it. She seconded what Ms. Kile said at the last meeting. She doesn't see why there should be any notice, at all. Campgrounds are not provided notice. AirBnBs are not provided notice. Nobody is provided notice. She doesn'tsee why we need to provide reasonable notice, at all. She thinks Condition 8 should be stricken. She thinks it creates a nefarious precedent. Ms. Clatterbuck stated she thinks we should leave it, but just eliminate "upon reasonable notice.."That'st typically what we do. Chairman Burner agreed. Mr. Janney stated Chairman Burner asked to, go back to Condition 4. He doesn't think we: need to be sO specific to say can have certain number of councilors or visitors. They again looked at Racey Engineering's June 12, 2024 letter to Jim Davis which contained occupancy number and wastewater values for staff, residents, food preparation and visitors. Mr. Janney stated that this was maybe already addressed by saying that all Health Department requirements are met. Ms. Grech expressed agreement. There was more discussion. Mr. Janney stated it shouldn't be micro-managed sO much; the Health Department is going tell us if we don't have enough capacity. Chairman Burner rasked what type ofvisitors the document is referring to. Mr.. Janney answered patients, and Chairman Burner added, family members. Mr. Janney confirmed that this was what he understood. He stated they don'tanticipate: al loto ofvisitors, because the nature of the facility does not promote the visitation. Chairman Burner stated he isn't as concerned with the number ofs staff as the number of visitors; that's the number that can get out of hand. Ifthe Health Department has it, they have it. Ms. Clatterbuck stated she thinks it is up to the management of the facility to control the visitors. Mr. Janney added that it isn't open to the Ms. Clatterbuck noted the public hearing is scheduled on August 27, and notices have gone out. Mr. Hahn noted that they will still see this version of the conditions in the packet, but they  this was fine. Ms. Clatterbuck stated that this was all they had to review.  public. There was consensus to not further change Condition 4.  will also include a version with the changes discussed tonight. B. Zoning Ordinance Amendments: Non-conyentional Dwellings  Mr. Hahn reviewed previous discussion on non-conventional dwellings. There was a lot of public comment a few months prior regarding certain types of construction, especially as it relates to short-term rentals. These are two separate issues which we are not intending to conflate, but they are ties between them. What we. have been discussion especially on this item are yurts, domes, and other types ofs structures used more for temporary occupancy. There was lengthy discussion on this. Ultimately, the Commission instructed staff to look more at individual types ofn non-conventional structures, definitions, and supplemental regulations. Mr. Hahn asked if they would like this for the next meeting, and Chairman Burner agreed, ift that  was enough time to create a document given the discussion.  Page 6of11    Planning Commission Minutes- August 13, 2024  C.Z Zoning Ordinance Amendments: Short-Term Tourist Rentals  Mr. Hahn stated the draft before them was just a modified version based on discussion the last time this was on the agenda. This is the SUP-version. Staff would still like to address some issues with this version before moving back to the non-SUP version. He suggested that since the Commission had already gone through the version item by item, this time they might just discuss whichever items they wished to. He noted that any changes that were made since the Ms. Grech thanked a member of the public, Mr. Johnson, for taking the time to produce a document drawing our attention to certain things. It's always good to have feedback from the public. She likes the fact that he suggested BI should bei in list form. Site plans are list, and this should probably have the same thing. That would make it more clear. There are many other comments that useful, some of them we are still reviewing. Ms. Grech asked in D2, regarding responding "immediately"- - should this bei in a "timely manner?" Mr. Hahn noted that wel have acomplaints process and a violations process. He doesn'tknow that we need tos specify at time. Chairman Burner stated there may be times where there are extenuating circumstances where someone can't respond immediately. The premise is that there are points of contact for complaints and issues at hand. It's in the interest ofthe point-of-contact to respond. There was further discussion, and general consensus to. just replace the word "immediately" with "in a Ms. Grech had concerns with C, regarding not allowing short-term rentals if expressly prohibited in the restrictive covenants of a subdivision. She had a discussion with a local attorney, and many subdivisions don't have this in their covenants. It's a very cumbersome process to change covenants in a subdivision. She thinks they'lI find that many subdivisions do not have an expressed prohibition. She thinks they need to seek legal opinion. There was further discussion, and staff stated they would seek legal opinion on this particular language. Ms. Grech asked about E, where it states "except approved non-conforming ones." She asked why we are saying this, if this is the definition of non-conforming. There was further discussion. Mr. Hahn agreed that it was redundant to our existing non-conforming rules. Ms. Clatterbuck added that this was language exited from when this changed to a by-right use. There was discussion on whether E(1), regarding the need to apply for a business license, is necessary or should be changed. After discussion, there was, general discussion to leave this as Mr. Hahn noted on E(4), hel had moved some language regarding the setbacks and the greenbelt to conditions, and added "may" rather than "shall" as there was general consensus to do SO. Ms. Grech noted for the record that there wasn't consensus, because she strongly disagreed. When they were writing the solar ordinance, they wanted to have standards - teeth to enforce. If we don't have a setbacks and greenbelt requirements, and it is left to future planning commissions, there isn'tany teeth. There'sn nothing to enforce. We need tol have some kind of standards. Chairman Burner stated that a rental is not a solar facility. Fifty feet of trees on a two-acre propertyi is absurd.. At some point wel have tol be reasonable. He understands it depends on the size of the property, which is why he suggested moving it to the conditions. Basically, we' re going tol have prison cells oftrees around short-term rentals. Ms. Grech: stated she agrees,  last version were. noted in the margin comments with the date.  timely manner."  There was more discussion.  worded.  Page 7of11    Planning Commission Minutes- August 13, 2024  and it does say "except to the extent that existing vegetation [...] provides such screening." What she would like to see here is a minimum setback. Chairman Burner agreed. There was consensus to move the setbacks back to standards. He asked what the setbacks were. Ms. Clatterbuck answered that in the Residential District, the side setbacks are 15 feet, and in Agi it is20 feet. Ms. Grech stated she thinks the reason for the setbacks was to find an alternative solution tol havingaminimum: acreage. Mr. Hahn agreed. She doesn'tknow where 501 feet came from - it may have been another county. Chairman Burner suggested having a minimum setback from al house on and adjoining property. Ms. Grech stated this was not al bad idea. Ms. Clatterbuck asked if someone is building a new house as a primary residence, and he later has ajob change. Let's say it is on Residential with public water and sewer, which only requires 10 feet setback. He wants to sell this house or use it as a short-term rental. The dwelling only needed to be 10 feet, but now he can't apply for short-term rental? He's going to go to the Board of Zoning Appeals. Ms. Grech responded that Ms. Clatterbuck is suggesting it is counterproductive. Ms. Grech also asked what ift there are two short-term rentals beside each other- perhaps the setback could be waived. Mr. Hahn responded, saying hel liked the idea, but what if the neighbor moves out and no longer waives it. Now there is a business in operation that has to a cease operations. Chairman Burner stated we had this exact same conversation when we were talking about confined feeding operations, and when we discussed a waiver, and most oft the people in here were adamant that we should not have a waiver, because we don't have a waiver anywhere else, so he can't support a waiver even though he thinks it is a good idea. Ms. Clatterbuck expressed agreement. Ms. Grech asked what ifthe neighbor is the same person. Ms. Kile answered that they may not always be. Mr. Hahn stated that at least in that circumstance it's up to the property owner. not tos sell one ofthose properties. There was further discussion about setbacks, and whether having more rigid setbacks int the non-SUP version. Ms. Grech mentioned one idea that had been discussed about requiring 75 feet setbacks between short-term rentals. There was some discussion, and Chairman Burner stated that he didn't really care if there were short-term rentals close to each other. Ms. Kile asked about overlay districts. Mr. Hahn stated that this was a good idea, but in looking into it, overlay districts may bej just a dream. Overlay districts are used more to apply additional standards in areas, but uses still have to conform to the underlying zoning district standards. It's typically used for vronmemtaly-senstive areas. Chairman Burner asked ifs staffc could got to. legal with this. Ms. Grech liked the idea conceptually, but the Board has indicated they don't want to tinkerwitht the zoning map. Mr. Hahn displayed the short-term rental map discussed at previous Chairman Burner recommended having minimum standard language for parking spots. Ms. Clatterbuck stated this would be a good spot for mentioning minimum setbacks, Chairman Burner agreed. He asked how we did it for campgrounds. Ms. Clatterbuck stated she thinks it was one spot per two occupants. Chairman Burner recommended similar language be used. Ms. Grech added that these should be on the site map, and there should be setbacks. Ms. Grech There was discussion about E(5), which requires the owner or designated property owner to reside within 30 miles of the short-term rental. Mr. Hahn noted that public comment on this was, what difference does it make if the management of the rental is less than 30 miles away? Ms. Grechanswered that iti makesalthediferenc: int the world.Ifsomebodyi is closely located,  meetings and there was further discussion.  noted that this was alreadya addressed for the site plan.  Page 8 of11    Planning Commission Minutes- August13, 2024  ifthey are needed, they can drive out and tend to whatever the problem is. Ifthey are inl D.C. or the other side oft the country, they can't. She doesn'tt think it is unreasonable to require this. There was discussion about the number 30. Mr. Hahn noted that it was 30 miles distance, not driving distance. There was consensus to change thist toa3 30-mile radius. Ms. Clatterbuck asked ifthis would need to be described in the property management plan, and Chairman Burner agreed. Chairman Burner noted that "must" should be "shall" in a couple places in E(5). Regarding fireworks in E(II), Mr. Hahn stated that aerial fireworks are already prohibited by the states. Ms. Grech suggested adding the word "aerial." Mr. Hahn stated they could do that, or just eliminate this, entirely. There was discussion, and general consensus to leave this. Chairman Burner stated that if you're 20 feet off the property line, even the even the hand sparkler or fireworks that just pop can be aggravating. Ms. Grech noted that she thinks it was Mr.. Johnson who had recommended having policies to mitigate wildfires. We need to demand that int their rules, there is some mitigation of wildfire risk. Ifthere is al burn ban int the county, the renters need to know about it, and there needs to be a plan. She knows that we don'thave ai fire marshal, but we can ask EMS. We need to have fire safety measures. Regarding F(3), Ms. Grech asked that staff add parking. There was discussion about no- trespassing signage. Chairman Burner recommended adding markings to this, because you can Ms. Grech recommended adding fire safety mitigation as a condition. Ms. Grech referenced the Sedwick Campground. They don't have a greenbelt between the domes and the road. She wondered as a measure of practice, operators read the conditions, but they may not read the ordinance to which the conditions refer. She wonders if we should give the campground ordinance to people when they apply for an SUP. Ms. Clatterbuck stated that when an SUP is granted, staff provide the applicant with an approval letter, a copy of the signed SUP, and a copy of any code references. Ms. Grech suggested adding a condition similar to F(5), something like "Additional standards to ensure the safety oft the renters and the public in the event of fire and flood hazards are concerned." Language was discussed. There was discussion regarding penalties. Staffwill send this to legal to see ifit is legal tol have penalties that vary from the general penalties dictated in the Zoning Ordinance.  blaze trees.  Open Citizen Comment Period  1. William Long: He lives at 3095 US HWY 211 E, which is straight across the road from Brookside. Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia did a study on DTCS - drug treatment centers. We used to bet the cabin capital. Now we' re going to be the CT's. People go by int their winnebagos and on their phones coming out of Shenandoah National Park they are going to seea a drug treatment center. When thei flood comes, thel hospital is going tol have tol handlet these heroin addicts. They're going to have to have medicine, facilities - because when you are withdrawing from heroin and opiates, you can't even walk. Get it together. This is a big can of worms you're all opening. He doesn't think out there in the woods is the place to build. Longwoods found a 39 percent of suicide int the area where DTCS came. We have one deputy per 1,500 citizens. We are going to have another flood. He's lived out there since 1980. We're going tol have several: floods. Who is going to gather these people up, andt take them somewhere to a safe environment? Who are these people going to be? Your grandchildren? Your friend?  Page 9 of11    Planning Commission Minutes- August 13, 2024  Or somebody out of Baltimore. Our tax dollars are going to go down in land value. They are going to get tax breaks, because they are going to get grants and things like that. Communities are going to pay for that. Who is going to take care of the 40-some people that's got one counselor? These people are really sick. They aren'tsick with a cold. They have a disease that isk killing them. He feels for them. But they need to near that hospital or someplace like that, not out here int the Shenandoah National Park. That's our crown jewel. That's what makes us special. That's what these short-term rentals are about. That what the [TOT] money you all fight about is about. Don't kill it. Don't kill these poor, unfortunate people who are going to come to Brookside, when they should be going there after their recovery and have a breakfast 3. Nancy Sottosanti: She stated she has been there twol hours hardly hearing a word said. On the Ag, keep the property Ag. She had people coming up to her for years, thanking her for having her llamas so they could watch them as they drove by. Now she has horses, but she had llamas for 25 years. Keep our county Ag, ifyou can. Onl Brookside, she's heard their comments. The buyers apparently have run several operations very successfully. They are very knowledgeable. We have five restaurants: Brookside, Watch and Warrant, Uncle Dees, the Old Browns, the one uphill by Ollies, the one up on 211. That's five or six restaurants that have not survived. There's already five down. People have tol have a way to sell their properties to be something that is good for the County. Otherwise you'lI just have something at the top oft the mountain and not having any money coming ini for anybody. On campgrounds, which she could barely hear, she heard something about fire rings. Houses have fire rings, but you aren't doing anything about them. But you are going have regulations on campgrounds. She wishes she could have heard more. She doesn'tknow why this county, which took 51 percent more lodging tax, can't put in a good sound system sO that anyone elderly like her, who even has hearing  with their family. He thanked the Commission. 2. Audra Beers: She was no longer present.  aids, can hear what is said. She hopes they have a good evening.  4. Charles Leverich: He was no longer present. 5. David Good: He was no longer present.  6. Patricia Long: She thanked them again. We trust you. You're the Planning Commission. Your observations will be made known to the Board of Supervisors. People have not had enough time tol hear about Brookside. Shel has contacted: a few ofher neighbors. They didn'teven! know about this. Marketing has not been well-done. Give us the opportunity to gather, to convey the message. Are we going to be doing something good for the community, the development of our small towns, or are we going tol help somebody else that everybody likes, like the Chamber of Commerce and the Visitor Center. The Chamber of Commerce should have been a self- sustained, private entity... private business. Yet the County felt sorry for them and needed to help them. Whatever. What's done is done. We can live with that. We cannot live with ruining the image of our community. What are we? What sensitive development are you going to implement? The kind that is going to make the majority of people happy? Yeah, there are no restaurants that are surviving. She just doesn't think that a center for drug addiction at that location.... she thinks wei need to instill the beautiful tourism for everybody involved. There are more businesses that can come about, but not a center like this. Thisi is dangerous fort the patient. Have you done the analysis that VDOT has the right-of-way to the location? A new business has to have a license. Is that going to be part ofit? Ireally don't! know the legalities. They're grandfathered in from 80 years ago = who knows how many years restaurants and gift shops have been on that part of the highway. But now this is a new business, high traffic, visitors and patients in and out. Shei is going to do al little research, but you are the experts. You are the ones that need tos share that information with us. Do wel havet the right frontage from ai major highway to where the restaurant is? How about the wells and the septic tanks? Are they going to affect  Page 10of11    Planning Commission Minutes- August: 13, 2024  the creek and the wells in our small neighborhood? What do we do ifour wells go dry because they are goingt tol be using al lot more watera and: sewer?These are practical questions that pertain to you. She is more about - who are we? What is Page County all about? She thanked the  Commission.  Chairman's Report Clerk's Report Adjourn  Chairman Burner had no report. and see all oftheir faces.  Mr. Hahn yielded to the Zoning Administrator. Ms. Clatterbuck stated she is sO happy to be back  Mr. Turner made a motion to adjourn. Ms. Grech: seconded the motion. Chairman Burner adjourned  the meeting at 9:02 p.m.  halB  Page 11 of11