JACKSON COUNTY PLANNING BOARD  MINUTES  Date: April11,2024 Time Begin: 6:04 p.m. Time End: 7:47 p.m.  Location: Department on Aging, Heritage Room  Members Emily Moss Brian Barwatt Adam Holt Ken Brown Staff] Present: Michael Poston- Planning Director Anna Harkins- PlannerI Allison Kelley- Administrative Assistant III Call to Order and Quorum Check Approval of the Agenda carried unanimously. Approval oft the Minutes and it carried unanimously. Public Comment There were no public comments. New Business a) Vice Chair Nominations  Present Absent Nathan X Shepherd X Ollin Dunford X Joyce Cooper X Beverly Crespo X  Present Absent X X  Present Absent X  Elmer Rhodie Humbert X Vacant Vacant  Vice Chair Nathan Shepherd called the meeting to order at 6:04 p.m. and a quorum was present.  Ken Brown made a motion to approve the agenda as written. Joyce Cooper seconded the motion, and it  Beverly Crespo made a motion to approve February 8, 2024 minutes. Ken Brown seconded the motion,  Mr. Poston stated we only have six members here tonight, but if there is somebody that would love to nominate to be the vice chair. In addition, he stated Nathan Shepherd has been nominated for the chair and that could become official, maybe as early as next Tuesday when the Board of Commissioners: meets again to do that, and then if we have a vice chair nomination, that's certainly fine. He stated we are missing about three people right now, we are waiting for the Board of Commissioners to fill two vacant positions for Sandy Davis and' Thomas Taulbee's positions, and we are hopeful that the Board of Commissioners will fill all those. Mr. Poston stated but really, it's up to anybody unless anybody wants to volunteer to be vice chair tonight we can push. He stated the reason why we have vice chairs isi in the case where Nathan Shepherd wouldn't be able to make it, it would be nice to have someone that could run the meeting officially. In addition, he stated we can still probably wiggle around that a little bit but it's good to have just somebody that would be here just in  case Mr. Shepherd is not able to be here, but it doesn't have to be done tonight.    Joyce Cooper made az nomination that Beverly Crespo. serve as Vice Chair. Brian Barwatt Mr. Poston stated for clarification we will pass Ms. Crespo's name on to the Board of Commissioners, for the Planning Board they formally appoint the chair and vice chair, but we'll Ms. Crespo inquired how many people they were going to get on the Board. Mr. Poston stated we are down two people and the Board of Commissioners are working on that right now. He stated he thinks that they would have to be from District Three and Four, sO it is not an at large position. Ms. Crespo inquired what is District Three. Mr. Poston stated that is Mr. Stribling's district and the District Four is Commissioner Jones district. In addition, he stated District Three is roughly Cullowhee, and he thinks it stretches down into Cullowhee, and parts of Webster townships, and the District Four is all the townships south of Cullowhee, Canada, Mr. Brown stated he had a question, on the agenda regarding the minutes from the previous meeting. In addition, he inquired what stimulated that conversation or where are we Mr. Poston stated the last couple of meetings, we've had some questions about is there anything that we can do to strengthen our floodplain and our erosion control and what options are available to us. In addition, he stated Tony Elders came to us two months ago and presented where our ordinances stand, where the County has taken the opportunity to be more restrictive where allowed in the ordinances, and if there were any additional tools that that were available to the County to leverage, and if there is anything that that this Board could help assist in those areas. He stated I think ify you read through that a lot ofit is talking about the fact that the County has kind of already made those choices to have a higher standard for floodplains, to have a higher standard for erosion control. In addition, he stated because those two areas are fairly prescribed that federally and from the state level, that he wasn't sure that there was anything that he needed in addition, like there's any other tools that he didn't already have available to him that we're allowed to have. Mr. Poston stated we talked about manufactured home parks, and we talked a little bit about what we had and things of that nature and what our ordinances stated. He stated today, we're just kind of picking up on some oft the other topics that were ofi interest, we're going to talk about historic preservation, and community appearance and where we stand with our Ms. Crespo stated that is the reason she wants us to go back to old business and make sure that we cover everything, as she was looking back today, in order to. just make sure where we left off because it seems like there's been a big lapse. In addition, she stated we were beginning to get into some meat, the heart of the matter and we agreed that we want to focus on like six or seven items. Mr. Poston stated these are the ones, we're working through all those topic areas and then we can come back and say, where do we think we need to spend the most amount of time Mr. Brown stated he would like to make a comment about the erosion control. He stated obviously, I got calls today, every time it rains I get calls, I go and search out whateverIfind and it's been my experience that even when sites get reported, oftentimes the correct measures are: not employed or implemented for those sites that are being reported in violation, and I think we have Mr. Poston stated erosion control isn't under the Planning Department, and the reason we get into floodplain and erosion control even though those aren't regulatory frameworks, development regulations that we as a Planning Department work with, they are in the Unified Development Ordinance (UDO). In addition, he stated Ithink we discussed them in terms of from a regulatory policy standpoint, from regulations, is there anything that we needed that this body could recommend be changed in those ordinances. He stated the administration of those ordinances there's nothing in the ordinance that talks about other than who's responsible for  seconded: the motion, and it passed manimous'y.  make that as ai recommendation to the Board of Commissioners.  Tuckasegee, River, Hamburg and Cashiers.  going withit.  outdoor lighting.  that would kind of get into, sO that discussion is coming.  ap problem unfortunately.  2    administering it, but the Planning Board doesn't have much of an oversight capacity in the administration in the actual operation of County staff, that would be the Board ofCommissioners Mr. Brown stated perhaps the County could generate some funding, because I know we have a budget surplus to employ another erosion control officer and get better enforcement because we are not getting, and Iknow the guys are overwhelmed I see it all the time, they are out there but they're not getting compliance in some cases, because some of the players are just reluctant to comply. He stated I'm not trying to condemn anybody, but when you do myj job and that's our number one pollutant in the streams in the country, our County has 250 named streams and 4600 plus miles of waterways and it is a major problem and a major source of coliform Ms. Crespo stated Mr. Brown brings up a point that became very obvious to me today when I was going back and seeing where we left off. In addition, she stated I realized that where we left off, just as Mr. Brown is expressing, we can change ordinances all day long and I know that we need to and I know we plan to, but just like Mr. Brown is saying the very first task that has to be taken is to develop a code enforcement department. Mr. Poston stated wel have that, Mr. Elder's department is permitting and code enforcement and under his purview he has the erosion and sedimentation control program with those officers in it, sO we have four. Ms. Crespo stated what she is suggesting is that there be a department for just code enforcement to give them the relief, because they're not deputized and what Mr. Brown is speaking ofi it needs to be someone Mr. Poston stated our code enforcement officers, we have four and al half, Danny, Brian. Jeff, one in Cashiers Randy, and halfbecause Steve Beasley still comes in and works with us part time. In addition, he stated for sedimentation erosion control, there are four or five positions dedicated to erosion control but that's is what they mostly do is code enforcement of those areas. Ms. Crespo stated but what I'm saying that in my research and looking at other counties that are getting really strict on this, they have an entire department set aside for code enforcement, erosion Mr. Brown stated that's something that Steve Beasley brought up some years ago, having as separate department for erosion control and that kind oft thing. In addition, he stated I know that to the county code enforcement people it's their charge as from Tony Elders, when they come on site or they go to a site and they see there's something, even though they're not erosion control people they can intervene and say, okay, you can't get you know this inspection passed. He stated sO is there is a pathway there but it's inadequate in that the erosion control program is not well Mr. Poston stated I would say that those issues with fall outside the charge of the Planning Board. Mr. Brown inquired sO you cannot recommend to the Board of Commissioners. Mr. Poston stated if you look through the charge of the Planning Board, I don't know that it reaches to the organizational chart of the County, I think that purview lies with the County Commissioners and through the manager's office and things of that nature. Mr. Brown stated SO wel have no influence on this whatsoever. Mr. Poston statedI I don't think that that would move the needle at all because It think that comes from a much different place than recommending land use policies, which is really the meat and potatoes of what this board is really does a lot of is the policy work behind that. He stated the staffing and enforcement work really comes into when we develop these ordinances, and I'I tell you how staffing gets impacted a lot of times is if, especially the County's, the Commissioners say, hey we really need to do X, Y, or Z, we come to the planning board and talk about what policies might fit X, Y, or Z. In addition, he stated as we come back to them, we would give them an assessment that if we're going to adopt these policies here might be the impact to that, but that's going to be staff analyzing that those policies and how  on down.  bacteria.  that is officially deputized.  control, hazardous buildings they cover it all.  funded enough to cover the bases and that is our biggest sword.  they would impact operational capacities of departments.  3    Mr. Brown stated since the Planning Department actually writes the erosion control ordinance more or less. Mr. Poston stated we manage it probably is a better way of speaking. Mr. Brown stated it seems to me that it wouldn't be out of the question for us to make a recommendation to the Commissioners, whether it be you know, officially or unofficially to Mr. Poston stated I think I would go back and take a look at it. In addition, he stated I would tell you that in my time, It think the kind of the separation of where the Planning Board's duties reside, could you go in and say Commissioner Letson, Jones, Smith, as an individual and say, hey I've noticed this and I'm on the Planning Board, and we've talked about these, and I really think you guys should think about maybe providing more enforcement staffin these areas, I think that's one thing. He stated I don't know that it falls directly squarely within the purview of the Planning Board to recommend staffing levels or the Planning Department to recommend staffing levels for the code enforcement section, because we would rely on Tony Elders as a department director would have the ability to evaluate staff and make requests for additional staffing. Mr. Poston stated now, if the Commissioners come down and say, hey, we'd like to expand this program and Mr. Elders would then come back and say in order to do that, this is what I would need, and these are the tools that I would need and resources that I would need. He stated I think it would be very difficult for a Planning Board to make a recommendation on Ms. Crespo stated I don't quite jive with you on that, because if you read 160 anything that the Planning Board does that protects and saves the earth that we walk on in. Jackson County, we have the ability to make recommendations for them. In addition, she stated what Mr. Brown is saying to you and what I've been reading, and what was discussed several months back was the Mr. Poston stated I would tell you that It think that we're probably missing each other on terms but we do have a code enforcement department that specializes in applying code and enforcing code, SO I don't think that we don't have that. He stated I think maybe what we're talking about is it robust enough for what you guys are looking at, but we do actually have a code enforcement office and department and we have code enforcement officers that that spend a lot of time enforcing different parts of different codes, whether it be building code, erosion control floodplain, we've got certified floodplain managers, we've got erosion control officers that are that are licensed, we've got Building Code inspectors that have level five certifications. Mr. Poston stated John Jeleniewski does a lot of our code enforcement for Planning throughout the County, and then with Allison Kelley and Anna Harkins and my help we fill in some of those things, sO we do have people who enforce codes. He stated I think where we're getting to is the code enforcement program robust enough and do they have enough resources to be as robust as maybe what this Board senses that needs to be happening and based on what you're hearing. In addition, he stated I think that a lot of times where staffing levels are evaluated are during the budgetary process and department directors for their departments, I do this every year, which is we evaluate what our needs are and based on what the expectation is set to us, as far as from management and Commissioners, we'd like to see more oft this. He stated discussions amongst the Planning Board for the Planning Department that we need to do all this policy work, and you telling me this and I say, Gosh, I can't do that without these resources, and that's what I require in the budget and that's how we go about doing that. He stated whether it's additional personnel or consultants, we did this in Cashiers with the rewrite we're doing right now, we need to get that done, the Commissioners agree we need to get that done, but the only way we could do it was to Ms. Crespo stated don't get me wrong iti is not something that I am asking you to do or the department to do because it is ineffective ifi it goes that way, we want an effective Code Enforcement Division, and that is what we are asking. In addition, she stated you have too many strings attached to keep you from doing it effectively and we need to get past that. She stated if  better fund.  staffing for another department in the County.  fact that we do not have a department for code enforcement.  hire a consultant to provide resources to do that.  4    we. had an effective code enforcement, Mr. Brown wouldn't be telling you the level of the water. In addition, she stated we wouldn't have that mess we have on Skyland Drive if we had an Mr. Poston stated Mr. Elders was talking about that we needed a County attorney tol help. Ms. Crespo stated Mr. Elders had told her we need Code Enforcement. Mr. Poston stated wherel would say probably there's more impact and effectiveness, and I think that on a personal level,I don't know that coming from the Planning Board, because they have a board for erosion and sedimentation control appeals and everything, sO there's actually an erosion control board that the county has. He stated I guess I'm getting to is you want to make a motion to make a recommendation that we put more people into the code enforcement department, or create a code or create a more specialized code enforcement department, I don't know that kind of neatly falls Mr. Brown stated he wanted to know if there was anyway they can influence that decision to separate the two departments, and I understand totally what you just said. Mr. Poston stated probably your relationships with the Commissioners individually might make more headway than the Planning Board. Ms. Crespo inquired that in order for us to get that separate effective department, we need to promote that to the Commissioners. Mr. Poston stated I think you can mentioned that to the Commissioners because they're the ones that's going to make the decision because if you're talking about creating a whole new department, that's going to be a whole other set up, and they'd be the ones that would have to direct that and when the Commissioners direct the County manager to do X, Y, or Z, things will get done because it's Mr. Brown stated let me enlighten you just a little bit about this, he stated I know the erosion control departments are certified by DEMLR, which is Division of Energy Mining and Land Resources, and they're not doing their job and T'II tell you why because we tried our best water and other organizations tried to keep Swain County from doing away with erosion control program, which we failed doing. In addition, he stated the reason they did that is because the guy who was head of erosion control became a County Commissioner, Chairman of the Board of Commissioners and I had reported him on numerous occasions for not responding whatsoever to some egregious impacts on the water in Swain County and he decided to do away with the whole department and that's what happened. He stated DEMLR came over and the person that runs the Western District for DEMLR was all about it, and he's not a very effective man his own boss Ms. Cooper stated I feel like hiring more people won't solve the problem, what we got to do is the ones we got, make them enforce it, and just because their buddies out here is putting crap in the ground and in the water, sO they don't want to enforce it. Mr. Brown stated that's why there needs to be a separate department. Ms. Cooper stated because I didn't have any trouble understanding from the building inspectors when I was building two or three houses, you got to do this or I won't do this. In addition, she stated why can't they do the same thing, you got to clean this up or we're going to shut you down. Mr. Poston stated and they do some oft that, Nathan Shepherd builds houses and I know Beverly Crespo does too, but I would say that's what my  effective code enforcement for anything, and we don't have it right now.  within the parameters of what the commissioners empowers us to do.  coming from the top.  would tell you that.  advice would be. b) Regular Meeting Date/Time  Ms. Kelley stated at the last meeting, ifyou all read the minutes we talked about potentially moving our meeting date, and the two days that we were looking at was the second or third Monday at 6:00 p.m. In addition, she stated she had emails back and forth with everyone, and they were good with either of those days, and the only person she didn't know about is Ken, if that would work with his schedule to change that. Mr. Brown nodded yes and stated he decided to stay oni for al bit. Ms. Kelley stated that would just be up to thel Board to discuss that, ifyou all do  want to make a motion to change the meeting date and time.  5    Mr. Shepherd inquired ift there were any preference between the second and third Monday. Ms. Kelley stated not from staff. Mr. Poston stated we actually have both those days open, and the meeting would still be here and ifi for some reason, we would always find the Mr. Shepherd inquired what about time, 6:00 p.m. and ist that's still good for everyone Mr. Poston stated I think when we talk about 6:00 p.m. or 5:30 p.m., and II know that maybe we've become such al boring board that the public doesn't like to come see us. He stated but when If first got here, we used tol have, maybe I was a little more interesting eight years ago than what Iam today, but we don't get many public. In addition, he stated the reason we usually start majority of our meetings at 6:00 p.m. isi ifanybody does want to come join us, 5:00 p.m. isa little tough and sometimes 5:30 p.m. might work, we do our Cashiers Planning Council meets at five. He stated but ifyou get too much in the afternoon, then the likelihood that people that might bei interested in a topic could actually attend without having tot take off work or having to miss have kids practice or band or whatever it would be. He stated we could try 5:30 p.m. ift that was what we like to do, but I would say 5:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m., you wouldn't want to start much earlier than that. Ms. Crespo stated at the last meeting Emily Moss said she couldn't do 5:30 p.m. Mr. Poston stated that Emily has some kids. Mr. Shepherd stated they we will just do 6:00 p.m. Dr. Elmer Rhodie Humbert motion to change the regular scheduled meeting date to the second Mondayo ofevery month at 6:001 p.m. located at the Department on Aging in the Heritage Room. Beverly Crespos seconded the motion, and it passed unanimously. Mr. Poston stated we'll update the clerk and we will tentatively plan to make that change in May. In addition, he stated M'I check with the clerk to the Board of Commissioners make sure there's nothing that the board has to weigh in on, most of the time I don't think they would, but if there is anything, we'll keep you updated. He stated we'll keep: you updated on the date, it will either be effective in May or it will be effective in. June, but we'll let you know that by next week. Ms. Crespo inquired how do we let the public know that the topic is going to be discussed sO we can get some public interest. Mr. Poston stated we send out al lot ofinformation on social media our websites, we let folks know, we alsol have al Historic Preservation Commission (HPC) in the County. He: stated we have al Facebook page for historic preservation, we've populated that over the years, we, get a lot ofinterest from folks, but never enough interest to draw them to an actual meeting. In addition, he stated] It think last time the HPCI had a really big meeting was int the middle oft them discussing the statue on Main Street, and we. had about seven people come in. Mr. Poston stated Ms. Harkins is going to explain to you the program, and probably why we don't get as many folks interested in is we don't have al lot off folks going through the hearing processes because it's a voluntary program, and she has been trying to generate interest for three years, and Mr. Brown stated leading WATR for as many: years as II have and understanding volunteerism, you can put out alll kinds ofinformation out there about everything, and the response is appalling, sometimes it's disheartening and) I commiserate with you on that. Ms. Harkins stated a lot of people when they hear about, they're like oh that's great, and then they don't want to know too much more. In addition, she stated I have been waiting for three years to Ms. Harkins stated my undergraduate education is in Historic Preservation, and also Art and Architectural History, sO this was my first love and then I went into planning to also be able to implement Historic Preservation principles with development, urban planning and getting to do historic preservation in. Jackson County has been very fun. She stated I studied Historic Preservation in Charleston, South Carolina and trying to apply that in. Jackson County, it's been  venue, and wej just need tol know the best date, and wel know the time. and ifanyone feels strongly about moving that up.  on the second Monday.  Historic Preseryation-Amma Harkins  she is still working hard at it.  come and talk to the Planning Board about historic preservation.  6    very different. She stated the program's been around since 2009 here, and has kind of been fluctuating and how active it's been, but we've been working hard in the past three years to try and get things moving along. In addition, she stated the presentation that I'm going tos show isa shortened version of the presentation that I do when It talk with WCU students about once a semester, I go and talk to aj public history class, about historic preservation and what we're doing Ms. Harkins stated sO what is historic preservation in the first place, al lot of people have some misconceptions about what historic preservation is and what it's not. Ultimately, it is the restoration, conservation preservation of sites, sO we're not necessarily talking about papers and documents, and things inside museums and textiles. We're talking about sites, buildings, infrastructure, bridges, battlefields, those sorts ofthings are considered under this wide practice of historic preservation. It originally started back in the 1850s with the Mount Vernon Ladies who were a group ofa lot of fluent, wealthy women who saw that George Washington's home was falling just into complete ruin, and sO they started the letter writing campaign and gathered money tos save the home, bring it back to what it was when George lived there, and then turn it intoa museum, because they wanted people tol be able to go and visit it because it was our first president's home, and it really stayed like that. That's what historic preservation kept being, it was groups of primarily wealthy women coming together, talking about what old home they wanted to save in the community, getting the money together, saving the home. Int the 1960s, things started to change al little bit due to a lot of urban renewal in cities, there were two kind ofd different strains ofthings that were. happening. The first thing was al lot ofhistoric buildings essentially landmark buildings, grand train stations, or grand public buildings that were designed 100 years before were being torn down to make room for high rise buildings, because this was the rise ofal lot of taller buildings in cities. In addition, it also started the slum removal in a lot ofcities as well to try and draw people back into the cities and to make room for highways, and a lot ofhistoric neighborhoods that were predominantly people of color, were also being torn down. From those two different areas came al lot of people advocating for saving national landmarks, sO places that have al lot ofimportant history, when it comes toj politics to architecture, this was a very important spot in our community. In addition, then it also created a little branch off ofthat of people like Jane Jacobs, who is my hero, Ihad toi include her, she was an advocate for planning and historic preservation at the same time, who were advocating for saving historic communities, and advocating that these already existing communities should be saved due to the existing culture that's there, the people that are already there, and also the way, that the communities were being built before were better than what was happening with thel high rises coming into the cities. With all of that pushback, came thel National Historic Preservation Act in 1965, which was what created preservation kind of as a practice ini itself, and what it did was it created legal protection for historic landmarks, both at the national level and the local level. What this did was it created the National Register ofHistoric Places, and also created Statel Historic Preservation Offices, allowed for communities or local governments to create Historic Preservation Commission's and protect local landmarks. In addition, then it also created Section 106, which protects historic sites from any potential harm from federally funded projects, and that includes ifai road project is coming through that is involving any federal money that would have to be reviewed to make sure that there's nothing historic or potentially historic in its path, and ifs so, how can they mitigate that. Ms. Harkins stated there would be some sort of change made, soi it could either be moving something with the project itself or it could be moving the building or it could bel buffering, anything to kind ofl help retain the historic structure if possible. Those sorts of projects happen all the time, they have been here where we've had a lot ofc our surveys done for that specific reason to make sure that there wasn't anything historic ini its way, but it also gives us al lot of great information because that means that DOTI had a historic preservationist come in and check an  int the County.  area for us sO then we get information.  7    Mr. Brown inquired if Section 106 doesn't necessarily protect from eminent domain by the federal government. Mr. Poston stated they're going to have to mitigate that, they're going to have to figure that out, and sometimes that means you'll scoot around it sometimes. In addition, Ms. Harkins stated it's definitely not a cure all, preservation is never the cure all. There are three different levels ofhistoric preservation, land use lawi in a way. At the national level, we have the Historic Preservation Act of 1965, and this is kind ofa an enabling act that gives the states the ability to create Historic Preservation offices that creates that National Register ofHistoric Places, and also created thel National Trust for Historic Preservation, which is an organization that works to do al lot ofadvocacy at the federal level for different types of legislation for historic preservation. North Carolina General Statute 160D-9-40 is ourl North Carolina, section for Historic Preservation and this is not everything that's in 160D regarding Historic Preservation. This section of 160D lays out is local governments creating Historic Preservation Commissions (HPC), the powers that thel HPCI has, and the setup if you want to have a local landmarks program and what you can and can't do with local landmarks and districts, as well as things like delay of demolition for landmarks and things like that.. At the local level, we do have our Jackson County Historic Preservation Ordinance, we're working on updating it because it hasn't been updated since 2009, and we're trying to make it al little bit more applicable to where Jackson County is Ms. Harkins stated when It talk with WCU students that are in aj public history class, my favorite thing to say is, I'm sure it doesn't make a lot ofsense to most oft them that I'mi there, but then the reason why it makes sense that historic preservation and planning go together is because. that's the way that the federal government set it up to where land use law and historic preservation alll have to go together in order fori it to work because we're dealing with real property. In addition, she stated the different historic preservation programs, at the federal level it's the Secretary ofInterior and that's where thel National Register for Historic Places is, and you'll hear a lot of people talk about thel National Register ofHistoric Places, it's almost like an honor ina way, there isn't al lot of police power when it comes to those national register sites. Unless you are wanting to get a lot oftax incentives for your rehabilitation project that you're doing or you want to save iti in some sort of very specific way, the] National Register is really) just a way toj preserve it at a very large scale. To be on the national registry, you have to really prove your significance, sO whether that's architecturally whether someone important lived int that building or an important event happened int that building or somebody important designed it, those are all different criteria. For something to be considered historic, it only has to be 50 years old, sO ifa building/structure is over 50 it can be on thel National Register. Age alone does not count,, just because something's old doesn't mean it can get on the National Register, it also doesn't mean it can get our local register as there has to bes some extra significance behind the building in order for it to get on a register. Mr. Brown inquired could it be aj property and not just al building. Ms. Harkins stated sometimes it really does depend by site, al lot oftimes thel National Register and also the State Historic Preservation Office can be al little dicey on what they consider integrity ofthes site. Ifit doesn't have an exact structure on it but it did and that's site specific there really has to be Ms. Crespo stated an example that I have is my ancestors came: from 100-acre tract, you can't get to it from with a vehicle, and it still got the original cabin. In addition, she stated the Historical Society in North Carolina and picked upt things that were made there on the farm, but Ms. Harkins stated Ij personally as someone who does historic preservation, I don't necessarily always agree with where State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) and the National Register claim integrity, and they are working on reforming al lot oft that stuff, Historic Preservation reform is happening right now. In addition, she stated they're reevaluating what they consider significant due to situations like that, where there are buildings that should be preserved  he stated I don't know that anything really specifically protects everything.  with historic preservation right now.  something solid there to show why it's still significant today.  the cabin is still there and I would hate to see anything happen toi it.  8    and should be saved for local history for maybe a side ofhistory that people haven't thought of yet, and they're trying to rework some things. She statedIalways try to advocate to for things like that, and our local landmarks program does really like to focus on our local history as well. At the state level, that's SHPO, ifyou dol have al historic building and you have some questions about how to take care ofit, they have the experts to talk to and they can tell you what you need to know, and they could always send an expert out and you can do that even ifyou're not a landmark. SHPO is a great resource, they also provide a lot oftechnical assistance to local landmarks programs, and they do statewide planning for historic preservation sO they do kind ofa comprehensive plan every sO often. At the local level, we have our Historic Preservation Commission (HPC), and our main focus is the landmarks program that designates individual sites ora collection ofs sites as local landmarks or districts, they have to hold significance to local history and culture, that could be architecturally it could be a person, it could be an event. The property owner must apply and then that application is reviewed by the SHPO first, they do an application stating why they're significant with pictures, a survey ift they have one and then the SHPO gives their opinion on itifit would be good fort thel local register or ifthey do not think it would be. Then that application would go to our local HPC and they would make this similar determination, whether they do think it's significant or not and then offer ai recommendation. The application would then go to wherever the governing board is as our HPC is a joint commission with the' Town of Sylva, Dillsboro, Forest Hills, and' Webster are all part oft that as well as the rest ofour County. Ift the property that's been designated or wants to be designated for al local landmark is located within a municipalilyjursdiction, it would go to that town board, and ifiti is out in the County it would go to the. Jackson County Board of Commissioners where an approval or denial would take place, and ifit's approved it would become a local landmark. Once it has become a local landmark protection oft the building comes into play, and any exterior changes will be sent to staff for review and must be reviewed and get approval by the HPC: for consistency. The trade-off for this type of review is you're eligible fors some property tax deferrals, and ify you make a change that doesn't get approved and your site ends up going offof the local landmarks program, you'd have to pay back some ofthose taxes. Ms. Harkins stated the property owner must apply, we can always ask our HPC and they could always stress to property owners and try and promote to property owners that this might be areally great opportunity, but iti is a voluntary program. Even if the property would be a great landmark, we can put the program on top of them because it's something they have to enter into themselves. However, it does pass on from property owner toj property owner, for instance ift they were to sell the property the next person whoj purchases it would also be aj part ofthe program automatically. Ms. Harkins stated it's tied tot the Tax Office, and] I explain it to people it's kind of like an easement. They're not talking about the inside of the structure either, they're not going to tell you that you can't change the lighting inj your bathroom or put in newi flooring, or paint the walls purple on the inside, ifthat's what you want to do. The program is more of preserving that outside for the public, and you see iti in a lot ofr neighborhoods where they're wanting to kind of keep that specific look/charm, or ifiti is a site that is very important to the community like an old Farmstead, those sorts of things. It really ist that exterior that is being preserved and sometimes the site itself, people will do like the main structure and the barn in thel back or the garage because that counts nowi for historic preservation, it reallyj just depends. In addition, she stated I've never experienced one of these myselfv where there's interior easements, that is a little bit different. Usually the interior easements are: for ones that are also kind of museums that are owned by historic societies and those sorts of things where they really are wanting to make sure, even if they have to sell it as a museum to somebody else, that the buyer can'tj just come in and gut it. Ms. Harkins stated ifaj property gets a local designation and you make any changes you need to get the permission from the HPC, you can also get a post Change Approval too which is if you make a change suddenly: you can come back and geti it later on ifyou need to. The exterior  9    changes doesn't apply tot things like general maintenance, for example ify you need to change the hinges out on the doors, ifyou're cleaning the building or if one board falls loose off the porch, just put it back. It's more for those larger scale changes that you're making, like changing out the columns or changing out the windows. In addition, one oft the changes we're hoping to: make in the updated Historic Preservation Ordinance would be also having a staff level review, ifit's just one window being replaced it wouldn't have to go through thel HPC, and it can be reviewed at staffl level for that historic consistency, rather than going through a much longer process. That's the way most places do it nowadays and we need to update the Historic Preservation Ordinance to Mr. Brown stated the Appalachian Women'sl Museum floor decking around the whole entire structure was changed out but they didn't replace it with the traditional oak T&G floor and inquired ift that was consistent. Ms. Harkins stated it comes down tol how the HPC uses the design standards from the Department ofInterior, because it does give some design standards ofs saying this is how you can review things, this is what you: should do with the historic building, and this is what you shouldn't do. In addition, she stated based off oft that they would make the determination of this isn't the exact same thing but is close and it's not harming the integrity ofthe building. Sometimes ifit's a close substitute, especially for some, al lot ofbuildings with slate roofs al lot oftime you sometimes can't get the replacement, or sometimes with bricks, and that's when thel HPC would look at what alternative would they permit, and sometimes they do say no Mr. Brown inquired who would have made the call on that particular building would that be the County or state. Ms. Harkins stated with that building, it's not on our local register it is on the National Register, and I don't believe it got its National Register nomination until after its restoration. Therefore, that entire restoration project wouldn't have been looked at. Mr. Poston stated ifi it's on the National Register there's nothing we do locally, the Jarrett House is a great example, it's on National Register and it's being redone right now, they're choosing because for thet tax credits, but ifthey would have chosen to replace it all with board and batten and then today's materials, there's nothing we would have done locally to prevent that, because we don't have any authority to prevent that. Ms. Harkins stated they probably could have kept their National Register status until somebody brought it up to the State Historic Preservation Office. If they had painted the. Jarrett House purple, unless somebody from the area called the State Historic Preservation Office and said this building does not looked like what it was put on the register for, then they might have their designation removed but there really isn't that much policing ofthe Mr. Brown stated he had submitted aj proposal to Township of Dillsboro to and had a whole volunteer staff and donated materials to completely replace all the T&G white oak flooring on that porch that goes all around the house for free and they put in a different type offlooring. Ms. Cooper stated she worked with a couple people to fill out the National Register paperwork, and the straw that broke this camel's back was they wanted slides, and even at that time digital was quicker and much easier to share and inquired ifthat has changed. Ms. Harkins stated you can definitely submit everything digitally, and can also doj just about any type of photographs. Inl her experience, they usually say black and white photographs, and they want some color photographs ifyou can give them, but not specifically like slides. In addition, she stated Ib believe right now you can send it through email, mail or you could submit it any way that they have. She stated II haven't done al National Register nomination in a while, but from my understanding that can all be done in one form that can be mailed or emailed and depending on what you're doing, the State Historic Preservation Office is kind oft the in between for that. Ms. Harkins stated breaking down the local level and the makeup and duties oft the Historic Preservation Commission (HPC). HPC has a total of11 members, one member from each jurisdiction and then wel have one member for each County Commissioner, and the Planning Department staffs thel HPC. The Department helps run the meetings along with assisting in any  kind ofr match what's happening everywhere else.  that doesn't work and it needs to be something different.  National Register site unless there's some money involved.  10    preservation projects, help with public history and outreach. Once the program's a little more active, we would also be doing some Certificates of Appropriateness (COA) for approval oft those changes to buildings made to local landmarks. The HPC can encourage people to. join the local landmarks program, can encourage them to apply for thel National Register, and we can always say we think they would be a great nomination for thel National Register and send that along to SHPO. The HPC also hear and make decisions or make recommendations: for thel local register, and they review those exterior changes. In addition, the HPC also works with local nonprofits and educational institutions to educate the public on our local history. Currently, we. have a great relationship with WCU's public history department and she goes every semester to talk toa public history class, we had an intern this past year that made a great Story Map: for WCU's historic area on campus. The HPC also has a booth at Mountain Heritage Day every year, and we've also had al lot of conversations with places like the Appalachian Women's Museum and Mountain Heritage Center about ways that we can collaborate and share resources. Regarding the funding sources, the State Historic Preservation Office has kind oftwo levels ofwhat they look at local government in their lens, and Certified Local Government is when the SHPO office says, yes, you're very active HPC: and we're going to give you the certified stamp, which would then make you eligible to apply for grants through our department (SHPO). Our HPC: is not certified yet, we're working on it though, which would allow us to apply for grants for local landmarks that need a roof repair or need to change out a window. The CLG certification could help with very specific cases where we could apply for grants, it could also make it possible for us to do surveys of the area more sO ifthere's a specific type ofs study that the HPC wants to hire somebody to do. Ms. Harkins stated thel HPC is doing in. Jackson County is updating our Historic Preservation Ordinance, I'm also working on creating an inventory oft the historic structures that we. have documentation ofs sO they're in al localized place in thel Planning Departments database. This documentation will help ifs someone does call us ask about al building, you can let them know it was picked up on a survey a couple ofy years ago or there was a WCU student who did some research on that building and we can pull up some history for them really quickly. She stated she does get calls every now and then asking about historic sites because people ask about thel HPC and are directed towards my office, and every now and then I'm talking with somebody about a cabin on the side ofar mountain and trying to see ifit's been picked up on a survey previously. The HPC: is doing a lot of public engagement which is kind of our main thing right now we're trying to tell the public that the HPCexists, ourl local landmarks program exists, and we have a lot ofNational Register sites in the County that you should all go visit. Our booth at this past Mountain Heritage Day we did a drive through Jackson County's landmarks theme, where we pointed out all of Jackson County's National Register sites. Ms. Harkins passed out the brochures Mr. Brown inquired ifMs. Harkins has been asked by the Appalachian Women's Museum to do a presentation like this. Ms. Harkins stated I'm in contact with their current chair and we're trying to figure out when would work best to do a collaboration. In addition, she stated the brochure showed a map of all of our National Register sites in the County, and there are QR codes to different walking tours throughout some different municipalities for their historic sites. The HPC wanted tol highlight our National Register sites, let people know where they can go, let Ms. Harkins stated thel Balsam Mountain Inn got a new owner within the past year and a halfand she and Ms. Kelley were able to go out and visit the site last year. In addition, she stated Idid ask them ift they wanted to say they were open to thej public on this brochure and they said yes, and they do have a very active social media presence on Facebook to see when they're open and they're hoping to start renting out rooms this year. She stated they're really wanting to get involved with that Balsam community and encourage people to come and enjoy the property, it's a great site and they've been doing a lot of hard work and it's a lot oft them just doing it themselves. Ms. Harkins stated on our most recent architectural survey which was updated in  ofthose National Register sites that were also included in the booth.  them know ifit's open to the public or not and they can go visit.  11    2020, they did discover what could be aj potential National Register district up there in the Balsam Ms. Harkins stated the County has three local landmarks, and were all designated beforel was here which includes the Zachary Tolbert House in Cashiers, Webster Methodist Church and thel Hooper House on Main Street Sylva. The Hooper House is actually a very unique site as it is on thel National Register independently, it's also in the National Register district for Sylva, and it's al local landmark. All oft these sites are on thel National Register and on our local register. The benefit ofbeing on thej program is the tax benefit which is handled by the tax office and not the Planning Department or the HPC. The tax office comes up with the number and how much ofthe deferral they'll get on their taxes. Most places it's done by aj percentage ofthe property, ifit's just the building andi not the rest of the property that's gets under review, it fluctuates and it wouldn't Ms. Crespo inquired ift the HPC establish standards for someone who wants to duplicate a historical mountain cabin or ai mountain home, and if that was part of thej process. Ms. Harkins stated no, not pre-duplicating, that would kind of happen ifyou already had a site with a cabin on itandy you're wanting to build a new one right next to it. Ifthe whole property itself was aj part of the National Register or Local Register, that's when there might be some questions in like adding additions or adding news structures to a site, but for the most part new structures being built in a historic way it's always a great thing. Ms. Crespo stated there was an interesting project we were involved ini five years ago, and it was a lady who moved to aj part ofNorth Georgia and she had been studying historical preservation since she was 10 years old. In addition, she stated there wasn't anything she couldn't tell you about a piece of wood, piece of stone, a stair part that she didn't have a history on. Everything had to be a duplicate of some historical stairwell that she found or somel historical type group that she had, it was fascinating, tedious and would not want to do many ofthem. Ms. Crespo stated but it was at treat, I learned more from that than anything. Ms. Harkins stated I wanted to show the wide array of architectural styles we have in Jackson County, it has been sO fun for me coming up here and really seeing how many different styles of buildings are int this County alone. Wel have a Swiss Chalet building in Cashiers, a fantastic modern Roundhouse in Forest Hills, and then we. have great Victorian styled structures, 1800s cabins, it's a very large group ofhistoric buildings int the County. There have been sO many resources that have been picked up on surveys that have been done over the years, hopefully we can get the HPC more active. We are trying to educate the public, we are working on updating that ordinance that maybe hopefully with the staff level review that they would have to geta change reviewed, but at least it wouldn't be going to a whole board. The HPC: meets every third Tuesday of the month at 5:15 p.m. usually int the library and thei room varies. The HPC is a great group of people who are very interested in. Jackson County history, we have some local history legends there and we have great representation from WCU, from Mountain Heritage Center and the Geological Society. Ms. Harkins passed out materials for public history purposes that the HPC created a do your own architectural survey at home guide to those that are interested in doing historical research with some resources that they can go to and then a form that they can fill out. She: stated we really wanted to encourage. kids and their parents to get together and do the research on their homes. In addition, they also did an architectural type guide to give architectural knowledge and terminology, and coloring pages ofthe National Register sites int the County with al briefhistory of the buildings, the most popular was the Hooper House and Jackson County Courthouse. They also made coloring pages fort the Zachary-Tolbert House and they have a PDF copy they can keep printing and keep in their lobby and the Appalachian Women's Museum. Ms. Cooper inquired about cemeteries. Ms. Harkins stated cemeteries go through the cemetery board, we don't currently have any cemeteries on our local register but cemeteries could  area due to the unique history and the unique architecture.  be the same for every single property.  go on the National Register or a Local Register.  12    d) Outdoor) Lighting  Ms. Harkins stated we're working on the Outdoor Lighting Ordinance, we have mentioned we're doing some ordinance recodification in Cashiers with a consultant. She has been having conversations with the consultant regarding Outdoorl Lighting and the Cashiers area and how we want them tol kind ofa all mesh together, because I didn't want to write an ordinance and then Cashiers have something completely different. We are working together to do something that willl be very cohesive, that can be applied everywhere and all ofi its going to be based on what the Dark Sky Association recommends, downcast lighting, we're working on the heights and the  different areas such as parking lots versus building lighting.  e) Community Appearance  Ms. Harkins stated Community Appearance Commission's was something that came up as a topic that people were interested in) North Carolina General Statue 160D. She stated a Community Appearance Commission (CAC) is really about doing study of the visual problems and needs ofal local government, carrying out programs that will enhance andi improve the visual quality and aesthetic characters oft the local government. The things CAC does a lot oft the time is they can give guidance in the matters of an area, do studies, prepare plans, they can come up with recommendations, they can seek voluntary adherence to different standards. There's al lot of things that they can do and they also happen at different levels. She stated during her research she looked into where they happened at the County level, because a lot oftimes we were finding isa lot oft these things happen at a town level. Inl North Carolina we: found that the main things the CAC are really doing is they are all recommending and volunteer boards and they are not really given any power to make big decisions on things. Thel kind oft the recommendations that they can do is make recommendations. on ordinances, project plans or information about project plans if there is a comprehensive planning process going on or a small area plan they can givea recommendation oft things that might be good, and that usually happens at the request ofan approving board. In addition, there is only one CAC that she saw that has the authority to review actual building plans, but it's only for government of buildings and they are the first stop on the recommending boards. The other CAC's is only given those plans ifthe governing board says we try want their opinion, sO iti is not thei first stop for everybody. Then the CAC can give general or specific recommendations about the appearance of the community to the governing boards. However, most oft the CAC's do al lot of educational programming, a lot ofs studies, and a lot of award recognition programs. A few of the CAC's do a lot of studies about local landscaping and plants and the environment and do educational programming about that, and then will give awards to sites that have great planters or a rain garden. Based on the research it appeared the CAC's are doing more oft the educational programming, coming up with ideas about what type of tree to have in an area or identifying different trees that should be added to the planting list and it is not really as much looking at plants and saying this would look good for the community or this would not. Ms. Harkins stated that is her findings on CAC's and there was not much there Mr. Poston stated he has staffed to Community Appearance Commission at al local level, and he thinks in an urban setting, town setting where they are identifying the yard ofthei month. He stated It think it would be hard to find enough people to staffa CACj just for. Jackson County, and the reason why is if you count up the number of boards that wel have in. Jackson County there isal lot ofboards that are that our Commissioners have to fill. In addition, he stated he thinks al lot oft the work is repetitive in what this board would and what our planning councils would look at like plant lists and things ofthat nature that we. have three different planning councils that have landscape standards, and they are kind of already charged with advising about those types of levels of decisions. However, he thinks they could do some educational programming they could do awards and recognition program as thati is where you see a lot of that get. In addition, he stated he does not know ifmany even at the city level that do a lot oft these where you got to go through  especially when it came to the County level.  13    the CAC to get your approval before you got to another board, it's usually your. Planning Board, Board of Adjustment, or County Commissioners that are the decision makers int those regards. He inquired what isi it that you think that a CAC could do that would be beneficial to the community, and then we can figure out ifthere is a way that ift they are not already incorporated in an existing board, however functionally It think it would be difficult to recommend the creation ofa whole Mr. Shepherd inquired ift those things could be absorbed and consolidated into this board. Mr. Poston stated not necessarily because we are aj partially zoned County and we have planning councils, and some of the authority that you might think you would invest with the CAC, you wouldn't take away from the planning council because ofl how wel have historically set those boards up to bel local boards that are in some ways responsible for that ordinance in that one small area. In addition, he stated I don't know the juice is worth the squeeze on this, the work that you would do to put it together however, ifyou are wanting to create an awards and recognitions program maybe that is something we could look at or educational programming. Mr. Poston inquired what benefits do you see ofa Community Appearance Commission, because we don't have the stafft to staff an additional board, and ify you don't have staff assigned to board it is going to be very hard for them to do a lot oft their work. In addition, he inquired what do you think that a CAC would do that we are not doing already with another board that we would want to do. Ms. Crespo stated it is pretty obvious, go on Skyland Drive and right there through the railroad tracks, you see those buildings there which are albatross to Jackson County and ifv we would have a community appearance ordinance or something, surely to goodness we would not have that and it is right ini front the most historical house that we would ever have in Jackson County. Mr. Poston stated the CAC would only have authority if there's an ordinance, but the CAC they would not have any real authority outside ofify you don't have architectural standards for the community, the CAC can't evaluate al building. In addition, he stated you would have to have in effect some sort ofzoning control or architectural control in place for the CAC to even apply standards, andj just by creating the commission they wouldn't evaluate every building that is Dr. Humbert inquired what are the common threads between these others CAC's that might be pulled as a common thread. Ms. Harkins stated there is not too many, because she tried toi find a lot ofthem and all ofthem adopted their ordinance in a very different way, and all of them have completely different things that kind ofthey do somewhat. Winston Salem, Forsyth County she believes that is the one where the only thing that they would review would be County buildings, and then everybody else would only see any sort of plans for buildings ifa governing board specifically gave it back down to them for a recommendation and they don't actually approve anything. The only other common threads that she has seen is educational programming. they do al lot of studies about the environment and arts projects, they do awards and recognition programs. These are more common threads, some oft them focus on one or one or the other and Mr. Shepherd stated he is trying to understand what is being said is he thinks we have some things in the County that we don't like how they appear ifit's certain houses, dilapidated unsafe structures, signage, outdoor lighting and we have generated a list oft things ofhow do we control those things. In addition, he stated we will also recognize that this sounds great and he thinks everyone on this board thinks the Community Appearance Commission's sounds great, but he does see how it quickly has almost no power and authority, it's a wish list. Mr. Shepherd stated what It think could be the solution is a zoning ordinance, countywide zoning and he does not know how popular that is, but it feels like that would probably help with erosion control, like it would help with all this, with water quality, with historic preservation, and help with all of these things that we feel like we: always constantly. just run into a wall with, and ifv wel had a county  new board to do pieces oft things that we already have boards do.  being built in the County.  Polk County is all about their awards program.  attorney.  14    Mr. Poston stated he wanted to caution everybody and wel have talked about zoning and I told you that there is some greater ability tot talk about how things get developed, but I don't want to sit here and tell you that that any regulatory framework, countywide zoning, partial zoning, the development standards that wei might write is the silver bullet that will fix all cures. He stated what It tell al lot ofi folks is that there's no regulation that you can write that will totally prohibit any one particular use effectively, and there's not one that you can write that causes something to happen 100% oft the time, effectively. In addition, he stated what Itell people is you can't zone anything into existence and you can't really zone anything out of existence inj practicality. He stated you can write it down on aj piece of paper, but the actual doing ofiti is a lot more complex. Mr. Shepherd stated but is a step int the right direction. Mr. Poston stated yes, it can be. Mr. Poston stated there's going to be some state and federal reasons why we don't have the authority to do exactly what you would hope we are able to do, and Ithink that's true with floodplain, Ithink that's true with what Tony Elders authority is on condemning buildings and how he can condemn al building but it is al long process about how you take one down. Because just putting the tape, putting a sign on there saying condemned you can't bei in there, doesn't give him the authority to bringi int the wrecking ball, only ajudge can do that. Mr. Poston stated] I want to make sure you understand that even ifthe Commissioners are willing to dos some of these things they have no legal authority to do it. He stated we are trying to figure out and ask you these questions what is it about the X, Y or Zi that you really are seeing as the issues, and what that gives staff the ability to do is to figure out ifwel have any regulatory vehicle available to us, andi it may not be a one for one, but it may be enough to say here's what we can do. He: stated all my probing all my telling, you that we can't do it this way is to try to get us to a point to get you to a yes or get you to here'sl how we address that issue and it's nott the way that that we think we can get there. but it's kind ofi ify you can't get through the door, got through the window and maybe we have a window to get through. He stated that's why I'm trying to understand what exactly some of these things it's not to tell you no all the time and frustrate you, but soIcan get maybe to some oft the root issues and maybe I can address some of those through Mr. Brown stated he understands the Planning Department is broadly limited in their purview and what they can actually do because ofthe state legislator, and the statute says they are and that's where we need to work because ify you are. looking at erosion control we' re not getting Mr. Poston stated let's talk about what wel have been able to do over the years, and Mr. Brown has been on the board long enough that he's helped us do: some things that we could do. He: stated the first inspection you get has to be an erosion control inspection and ify you don't pass the erosion control inspection, you don't get your slab inspected. He stated that has been changed since yourt time on the board, we have shorten the amount oft time you have to stabilize a site and before itj just said you could didn't have to stabilize until you get to the final grading, which would be eight months to a year sometimes, and what we've: said is no not anymore, you've got Ithink 10 days toa al least seed it. He stated we have come up with some ability to address some oft the issues and it doesn't address all the issues wel have with erosion control, but there were: some things we could do that would help address some oft those components. In addition, he stated likewise that's what we're trying to figure out, here are: some oft these issues and we may not be ablei to address everything in it, but we might be able to start chipping away. Ms. Crespo stated most ofyou remember about five minutes months back we went through a whole list of all of our ordinances in. Jackson County. In addition, she stated we take this that was passed by thel North Carolina General Assembly in 2021, and it gives us all ofthe ways that we can enhance our ordinances, make them stronger, make them more effective, a that's  some of our vehicles, and that's what we're trying to do.  enforced because we don't have the wherewithal from DEMLR.  all we have to do.  15    Mr. Poston stated I'll disagree a little bit with that as it gives us the guidelines, but it doesn't give all the specifics and it's up to us sometimes to work into the specifics ofit. He stated that's what we're doing here because what we said is what are the five or six things that we really want to. knowl how we can affect, and I wanted to explain those interest areas and come back next month and start talking about all these different pieces that we. have concerns with now that you've heard Mr. Elders talk about, you've heard Ms. Harkins speak tonight, and you've heard us Ms. Crespo stated she is really not advocating that Mr. Elder's department have anything to do with code enforcement because they really dol have their hands full with what they're doing right now. In addition, she stated ifyou have dealt with some oft the situations that I have they don't have the staff to cover. She stated they need to focus on buildings and construction etc., and that's what they are there for to follow the international building codes. In addition, she stated we don't need an enforcement department for that, we. need a code enforcement department to actually hold people's feet to the fire for what our ordinances say, and our ordinance is going to cover al lot oft things including everything that we've talked about in the last year. She stated to narrow it down to Mr. Elders is unfair as I've heard this from not just Mr. Elders but many other  talk about all these different interest areas.  county employees, we don't have a code enforcement department.  Adiournment  With no further business, Ken Brown made a motion to adjourn. Beverly Crespo seconded the motion,  and the meeting adjourned at 7:47 p.m.  Submitted by:  Approved by:  1 11.  Allison Kelley  Nathan Shepherd Planning Board) Nice Chairman  Administrative Assistant- - Planning  16