68  Work Session Meeting Minutes- = August 24, 2023  City Council Chambers, City Building, 161 West Scribner Avenue, DuBois, Pennsylvania on Thursday, August 24,2023 @ 4p.m.; Council convened att their regular Work Session with Mayor Walshi ini the Chair. Other Council Members present were. Jim Aughenbaugh, Diane Bernardo, Shane Dietz, Pat Reasinger and City Controller, DavidVolpe. Alsop present were Redevelopment Authority Director/Assistant: Public Works Superintendent, Joe Mitchell; Code Enforcement/Zoning Officer, Zac Lawhead; Police Chief, Blaine Clark;  andF Finance Officer, DeLeans Shepherd. August 28th Agendal Items Mayor Walshr read downt through the items: #3. Approval of Minutes #4. Registryofln Invoices Auto! Drafts- $ 11,604.85 General Fund $ 431,145.17 PennVEST #5 Public Comments  City Council Minutes of August 14th and tonight's meeting minutes, August: 24th.  $2,959,227.66  #6 Request to changet the Public Hearing set for Monday, August 28, 2023, at5 5:30 p.m. to Monday, September 25, 2023, at5:30 p.m. concerning the Intermunicipall Liquor License Transfer from ARC Restaurants, LLC, Clearfieldi tot the Public House on Jared, DuBois. Whichi ist the old. JaredE Bar. #8. Elect Voting Delegate and Alternate for 2023 Municipal Leadership Summit - October 5-8,2023; held atl Wind Creek! Hoteli in Bethlehem. Walshs said that wouldb be down by Philadelphia. #9. Library Keystone Committees Grant Program permission to bid HVAC Equipment Replacement. #10. Recommendation: from Mr. Nasuti concerning the Coke Hill Area Water Distribution Main Replacement Project. Ibelieve the bids came inv very highlt think he wants to wait until spring to #11. Recommendation: to purchase additional: Zonescan leak deacdonlegse-16ya3 #12. Request from DuBois Areal High Schoolt to close Division ST& Beaver DR at5 5:45 p.m.f for  #7. Request that Council appoint retiree Tim Edwards tot the Pension Committee.  re-bid.  a. SRBC Grant b. DuBois Local Match  $131,220.00 $32,603.00  approximately. 45 minutes on September 29th ast they conduct their Homecoming Parade from the HighSchoolt to Mansell Stadium. Walshs statedi itis ana annualr request. Pat will give uss some updates ash he! has received some morei information just now. Pata andI lattended: ar meeting, and we will updatey you on ourf findings ands some suggestions. Reasinger statedh heg gavet them. ...i ify youl look ati it, hel hasi ita at8 82 and7.5 andl havei ita ats seven percent, laskedf fori itats seven percent fort thet third time, and! he does noty want to givet that tou us; buth hel has to. lamy waitingt to see what our percent off fundingy will be;lt think7. Mayor Walsh said, just an update ont that quickly: Reasinger said, hee expects 7% ofreturn oni investment. Mayor Walshs saidr right nowi they arep projecting 8%, buti ith has never reached 8% sO we needt the numbers changed to 7% because that directly effects how we do our budget.  #13. Trees #14. Pension Plan  #15. Scribner Avenue Parking Lot  We will discuss that on Monday evening.  Public Comments  Kristen Vida - 929 Chestnut Ave (Didi noti introduce herself knew! her voice.)  Regardingt the Pension Ist thereg goingt tob bea ar meeting with the retirees ande employees. Mayor Walsh saide eventually there willl be. Reasinger saidt therei is ar meeting (Pension Committee Meeting), asked Walshy wheni itiss scheduled. Walsh: said September 8th. Reasinger went on ands said! Iknow you (Walsh) aret ther representative; IwouldI like to go alongy with) yout to ask some questionsi if thati isa allowed. Walsh    69  Work Session Meeting Minutes - August t24,2023(Coned.)  Public Comments (Cont'd.) Kristen Vida - 929 ChestnutAve (Cont'd.)  clarified, bring) youz along! becausey youv willb be my replacement. Reasinger confirmed that ist thec case. Aughenbaugh: saidt that Chris didg go ands speakt to the employees. Reasinger saidt that one oft the employees overa att the garage calledh hima a couple ofv weeks ago and Chris and! hev went over andt talked Vida: askedi ifwek knew whatt thet finalr number ont the payout for Hermi is. Walshs said wel have not come to Fort the upcoming meeting onl Monday night, you didi not discuss anything or did notr mention anything about! hisp projectedp payout. So, that is not something) youa are preparedt tot talk about onl Monday evening. Walshs statedt they don'th have thoser numbers yet, Mr. Nasutii is working ont that att the present moment. We will announcet that probably att the next Work Session. Iwould liket to putt this tob bed, one way or Walshs statedv we woulds start with theA Assist Chief; Clark had brought his grandson to Council. Walsh askedit ifp people ares slowing down ont the boulevard. The grandson said no. Walsh askedy what we are goingt to doa aboutt that. Walsh: saidh hel hass seena ar number ofp people being pulled overi int the past few Chief Clarks stated they didg get outt theret thel lastf few days andt tried tos slow people down, educate them againt that schooli ist backi in. Out oft the stops, we did get one vehiclet that has some warrants ande even some narcotics andp paraphernalia;: 50, itv was successful int that area. Allin all, Ithink this) year was actually smoother: thant the last coupley years. Less people speeding. So, the wordi is getting out there. Iknow we! have Officer Prosper tot thankf forp pulling everyone over. l've driven past himp pulling someone lappreciate Officer Prosper for comingt through the parking! lot thisr morning; Ithinki itisr nicet tos surprise thel kids every oncei inav while, becauset theys sometimes forgett that thereisal lot off foot traffict through thatp parking! lot, andt they come: zoomingi in. Some oft themj just gott their license andi they're: zoomingi into Couple oft things: Tonight ist thel last concert its starts at6 6p p.m. The concerti is 61 p.m. -8p p.m. lunderstand that wea arel havingar moviet tomorrow: night. Walsh confirmed therei isa a group that has the parki for the weekend. Bernardo: askedi ifit was opent tot the public. Walsh confirmedi itis. Aughenbaugh: askedi ifit was freez andi ist theref foodt trucks. Walshs said he! believes therev were one ort two food trucks ont the... Bernado askedy whatt time ther movie: starts. Walshs said dusk. Bernardo askedi ift ther medial has been notified, doy youk know anything: about that? Aughenbaugh said thet flyer says 6:30 - 9:30 p.m. at! Heindl Bernardo continued, yesterday our leadershipi ink Harrisburg! hadt their debate about Skills Games. So, Zac, I'm goingt tot turnt toy youf fort this because l'm willingt to go bad ont this because what they aret talking about isreally disturbing. Ac comment was madet that they won'tg go after the Moma and Pop operation that maybe! have: seven ore eight Skills Games. My question toy youi is, and l'm not askingf for this answer tonight, doy youl know! howr manyf facilities there arei in! DuBoist that have Skills Games. Withint those facilities howr many Skills Games are there. Becauseld don'tt think they realizet that there may beas six or seveni in onet facility, buti if) youl have twenty facilities ort tent facilitiest thati isal lot of Skills Games. Mayor Walshs said he can answer part oft that question. Our District Attorneyi in Clearfield County has statedt toa allt the clubs (clubs, I'm goingt tol leavei ita att that, don'tk know whath he's doing witha anyone else) ifyou! have five machines orl less, they arer not goingt to come near) you. Ifyouh have more than fivey you have ac chance ofb being raided ando confiscations are very! high. So, thati is in Clearfield County. Every Lawhead: saidr most oft thei facilities arel limiting themt tof five! because Ithink they weret told too. Therez are a couple ofp places that haver more, ora and owner! has twol locations sot therei isf fivei ine each. So, they! have  with! hims specifically becausel he did reach outt tor me; wet talked. ac conclusiony yet. Itisb beingir investigated: andr researched; we will come back. Man did noti introduce himself; didn't recognize his voice.  another, int the next couple of weeks. Police Chief - Blaine Clark  days. .Addressing the grandson, askedi ifhev was part oft that project.  overt thep pastf few days. Chief Clark askedi ifh hev was just circling him, orwhat.  City Controller- - DavidVolpe  thep parking! lot andt that can! be dangerous. Thanky you.  Councilwoman Dianel Bernardo  Field playing" "Sandlot".  Lawhead confirmed! hel has thati information upstairs.  municipality is different, it depends on! how the! District Attorney readsi it.  ten, stuffI liket that.    70  Work Session Meeting Minutes- - August 24, 2023 (Cont'd.)  Walshs said, but therev weres some questions whena abouta a) year ago ab bunch of placesi in Clearfield County gotr raideda andi no one knew why or what; it was becauset they! hadi tent tot fifteen machines. At that time,l cans speak aboutr myi involvement att the Sandy Club, we! hade eight. Hes said, ifyouhavef five orl less, we're not comingr near you. Moret thani five,) you're ont thel list. Every clubi in DuBois and Sandyl Townshipl has five orl less. No one wants to buckit it. You cross the linet to. Jefferson County andi it'sa different story, but Bernardo clarifiedt that herei in! DuBoisi itisf five orl less. Walsh confirmedi five orl less. Aughenbaugh saidi in Lawheads said! hel has beeni inat few places outside of DuBois cityt thath had fifteen machines. Someone said Wow. Lawhead: saidy yeah. Lawheads said! hel knowst therei isab big one out at the mall; don'tk know what's Bernardo: askedi for clarification, arey yous sayingt the ones here in DuBois have five orl less? Lawhead confirmed. Atl least asf fara asl Iknow, the onesl Ihave checked the ones Ihave licenses through Mayor Walsh said! hec can attest that because hel has gone toe every one oft them tor makes sure. Iwanted to Bernardo went on, Zac) youl have been investigating communities that arei increasing their feest for each machine. Cany yous share,l Iknow Councili is goingt to have to vote ont this ats some time but whata are we charging now and what arey yous saying other communities are doing ont the high end oft things. Lawhead: stated wea are charging $100 per machine. Someone said pery year. Lawhead confirmed per year. High end was down around Pittsburgh,l think around' Washington wheret therei is a casino, they are upwards of$ $750 or$ $850 amachine. So,t therei is quitear range. Ihaves seeni it lower;l saw some Reasinger asked howr many machines totali int the city. Do youk knowt that number?  that'sa another District/ Attorney.  Clearfield County; Walsho confirmedi in Clearfield County. inthere. The malli is noti inr my jurisdiction.  arel listed atf five.  make sure everyone was playing byt the same rules. Seriously.  municipalities only charging $50.  Lawhead said! he doesn't know that off thet top oft thish head. Ican gett thati information, Ihavei itall Mayor Walshs said! he can answer al little bitr more. Thef feet they payi isf for any electronic machine, that means) you! have ane electronic cigarette machine, electronic juke box, electronic games they are all $100  documented upstairs.  apiece. So, itisr notj just video games. Lawhead confirmedi notj justt the Skills machines.  Reasinger askedi ift that includes a restaurant witha a credit card reader. Lawhead: saidr no. Walsho clarifiedt thati itisa an electronic machine likea a cigarette machine, Juke Box, Pool Table (Lawhead saidi ifitis coin operated). Reasinger said that'st theyl key, coin operated. Bernardo: said, Eddies going backt tot thei fact that youa arei in charge ofe emptying thoser machines. Ithink we arel looking atr millions of dollars ofu untaxed, so to speak, money pery year. Ifv we were tor raiset ther ratest to thel high end, do yout thinkt that would prohibit peoplet from having those Skillsr machines. Walshs said, hei isl lookinga ati iti from... again,l ams speaking from my standpoint, we area a non-profit club, SO weg giver most oft that money awayi in donations. Whetheri it bet tot thei fire department ort to any other causet that sends us al letter. Ithinkt thati isv whyt the debatei ish happening, how doy you dot the 501(c)3 versus thel bars andt the littlej junket place downi in downtown! DuBois on Long Avenue. That is goingi into someone's pocket. So, thati is wheret the debatei is, how doy youd decipher yes and no what is enough. Bernardos said, asi its stands right now,l lunderstand that therei isr not taxa accruement for Pennsylvania on this. Walshs saidz zero. Bernardo: said wer needt to get Mr. Armininii involved with this and let him! know our Bernardo: addressed Lawhead, going! backt toz Zoningi issues, aret there any Skillr machines ina areas that  feelings.  zoning prohibits them?    71  Work Session Meeting Minutes - August 24, 2023 (Cont'd.)  Lawhead confirmedi there are not. Whati isa Skills machine? Give met the definition, they; are alli in commercial areas andt theya are considered commercial business. Itis not reallyr retail, most oft thema area MayorV Walsh: saidt there aret tax dollars beingr made. Becausei the owner oft the machines, not clubs or businesses butt thel bigger corporation that ownsi itp pays taxes oni it, because they arei for profit. Until the threee entities makea a decision onv who's going... the bigf fighti isb between the Liquor Control Board, State Police, andt the Gaming Commission. They all wantt tor run the entire show. Asl long: ast thoset threek keep fighting, youa arer not goingt tos see any tax revenue locally. Idon'tthink; you will seet tax revenuet from the 501(c)3 becausei theya arer non-profit butf for the other places, they should payt taxes. Bernardo: said, SOV weh have tor make our own revenuet then through the per machine per. : Aughenbaugh wantedt tok know what we are doingr nowi for every piece asv was described. Can you change that orist thats something to entertaini int thei future. Where Skills machines would ber more thana Lawhead: said, rightr now our. Juke Box feei is $12.50 andl like any other mechanical amusement for game playingt thet feei is $100. Ihaves seeni its structuredi in different ways in different municipalities. Juke Boxes is very minimal, the Skills machinei is high, ap pinball machine wouldb be $50 or something. Mayor Walshs said that dart machines aret thel lowest, cigarette machines are al little! higher.  secondary business ons sight.  Juke Box.  Aughenbaugh: said, sot there are different rates. come across) your desk about the radarb bill? Chief Clark statedr not yet.  Lawhead confirmed.  Bernardo: said, sincey you! brought the State Police up who putt the hinderance tor radar; Chief, has anything Bernardo: stateds shel has been doingr research andl Icant findt two different bills and when Ihave opened  them upa andr read theb bill, Idor nots seea anything aboutr radar.  / ATTEST! bn  pohl